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Post by The Doctor on Jan 20, 2016 22:08:23 GMT
You may have to try elsewhere for that.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 20, 2016 22:10:09 GMT
I personally would rather it stayed where it is, but if it's causing upset to others then move it by all means. I view the forum using the recent threads link, so forums/sub forums etc are irrelevant anyway. Just seems odd there hasn't been an issue with this in the few years I've posted here, but I've noticed a more overt resentment for 3P over the last few months. Why has it become an issue now?
Moving the thread to a different section won't make it go away, and anyone can just as easily ignore a single thread as they can a forum. If anything, creating a new forum specifically for 3P would bring more attention to it than where it is now - tucked away as an easily overlooked single thread in a bigger forum. But as I say, if it's aggravating people then I'd rather everyone was happy!
Why would I rather it stayed where it is? The problem is that like it or not, 3P is about Transformers. It isn't official, but it also isn't an entirely different toy line because the toys are homages to Transformers. They have unique and very intricate transformations and designs which differentiate them from being simple thefts of HasTak moulds. Really, they don't fit under misc toys any more than they do Transformers. The 3P discussion is about Transformers, so it makes no sense to put it in a section that is about something else if it's just because you take personal offence to them. The 'Other Transforming Toys' section is a good idea, it would give a home to all the threads about Gobots and Rock Lords etc, but if you're trying to create a divide between legal and illegal toys, then 3P doesn't fit in that category either.
On the separate subject of direct knock offs, I'd say they're more relevant in the Transformers section than anywhere else because they actually are the real moulds, just being sold illegally. I've no interest in them, but it makes sense to me to keep that discussion together because seeing where moulds turn up is interesting from the point of view of a TF collector. Like those red and yellow knock offs of the strike plane moulds, or the oversized Beast Hunters combiner that got posted a while ago - it's interesting to see where the moulds appear and get reused - it's part of the discussion about the toy range. No one advocates knock offs, but we do talk about them in relation to the toys they come from. I don't go to a knock off aisle in the supermarket to buy Tesco own brand Weetabix because it isn't branded Weetabix, the cereals are all together.
When all is said and done though, the most important thing to me is that everyone's happy.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 20, 2016 22:16:14 GMT
I think the 'Other Transforming Toys' section is a good idea. Leaving aside my personal feelings on 3rd party stuff I'd just like the subforum about Transformers toys to be only about actual Transformers. Whether I like it or not the ship has long since sailed on 3rd party robots and they have been become a permanent 'thing' rather than something that lasted a short while. Perhaps 'Other Transforming Toys' could indeed include other robot stuff and grow into its own fun section of The Hub. I think it's important to keep third party chat going (as enough folk want to talk about them) but also acknowledge that those who who aren't interested might not want to read about them. Seperate sections allow for this ie folk who have no interest in TV/Film discussion can ignore that board etc.
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Jan 20, 2016 22:22:04 GMT
All these and more can be yours, if you bribe Phil!
I hate when this happens. The above comment was directed at Mr. Shockprowl. The forum moved on while I was typing, however...
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Post by Jim on Jan 20, 2016 22:44:37 GMT
I agree on moving the 3P stuff out; Other Transforming Toys doesn't sound like too bad an idea, though if it had an acquisitions thread I'd still prefer to keep 3P separate. I don't want to trawl through that to read about Blueshift's latest Rock Lords finds!
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 20, 2016 22:51:27 GMT
Other Transforming Toys doesn't sound like too bad an idea, though if it had an acquisitions thread I'd still prefer to keep 3P separate. I don't want to trawl through that to read about Blueshift's latest Rock Lords finds! -Jim In which case you'd probably need a totally separate forum, or just leave it as it is and contain all 3P discussion in that one thread including new acquisitions; which would be less intrusive. What about 3P accessories? Most of those aren't copyright infringing and they're not misc acquisitions and don't transform. |
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Post by Toph on Jan 21, 2016 0:12:16 GMT
I would not be opposed to an "Other transforming toys" forum, for 3P, Gobots, Rocklords, Voltron, and what not, nestled in between "TF Sightings" and "Toy Reviews."
I genuinely don't think it's necessary, for all the reasons others (especially pinwig) have stated.
But I would not argue against it as I would a full forum solely dedicated to 3P.
But such a forum would take away my opportunities to goof at phil over no gobots in the TF section.
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Post by jameso on Jan 21, 2016 1:52:40 GMT
I think you could perhaps argue that third party Transformers toys are fan projects that could be in the creative section on here. Maybe a separate page for fan toys and put them in there?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 23, 2016 16:33:02 GMT
I would not be opposed to an "Other transforming toys" forum, for 3P, Gobots, Rocklords, Voltron, and what not, nestled in between "TF Sightings" and "Toy Reviews." I genuinely don't think it's necessary, for all the reasons others (especially pinwig) have stated. But I would not argue against it as I would a full forum solely dedicated to 3P. But such a forum would take away my opportunities to goof at phil over no gobots in the TF section. The GodModSquad also like your idea, even it does mean you will have to sacrifice your chances of goofing at Phil! Andy |
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Post by kayevcee on Jan 24, 2016 18:34:33 GMT
I was wondering where that thread had gone. The new sub-forum looks good and makes sense, and it means that stuff like the new Machine Robo releases coming out this year don't get buried. Nice work, GodModSquad!
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 24, 2016 19:27:16 GMT
I'm so horny for the GodModSquad right now.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 24, 2016 19:56:09 GMT
Sounds like you need putting in your own forum!
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 7, 2016 23:28:08 GMT
Anyone else having problems with script not working?
I keep getting pop ups on the PC and tablet.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 8, 2016 23:22:57 GMT
What browser are you using on your devices?
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 13, 2016 9:42:15 GMT
Can we have a seperate thread for stolen leaked images/speculation of based on them? It's really pissing me off. I would have liked to have the excitement of seeing proper nice reveals/surprises at US Toy Fair and other shows without having waded through weeks of leaks I have no interest in. Folk who leak these images have no right to them and I don't want to see them. Hasbro/Tomy have official reveals so often there's just no need for this crap other than to pander to the egos of thieves who are appropriating the hard work of other people ie artists, toy designers, etc.
Just have the leaks in a seperate thread. Those who want to check them out can do so. Those who do not can just ignore that thread. Keeps everyone happy.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 13, 2016 9:48:42 GMT
No, they're relevant to the toylines. Keep em where they are.
You'll still see the new stuff tonight, just stay out of those threads till then. I'll update the links in the toyfair post to go directly to the start of the actual toy fair reveals at the start tonight at 7pm so you can skip any more leaks before then.
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Post by blueshift on Feb 13, 2016 11:46:48 GMT
Can we have a seperate thread for stolen leaked images/speculation of based on them? It's really pissing me off. I would have liked to have the excitement of seeing proper nice reveals/surprises at US Toy Fair and other shows without having waded through weeks of leaks I have no interest in. Folk who leak these images have no right to them and I don't want to see them. Hasbro/Tomy have official reveals so often there's just no need for this crap other than to pander to the egos of thieves who are appropriating the hard work of other people ie artists, toy designers, etc. Just have the leaks in a seperate thread. Those who want to check them out can do so. Those who do not can just ignore that thread. Keeps everyone happy. -Ralph I think there's a difference between stealing and leaking stuff that causes actual corporate damage (like uh, Web 3-gate!) and stuff that's part of a social media strategy. All these pics we're seeing are stuff Hasbro has already sent out to sites. Some are embargoed, some are not. Some are released early to get hype for the big reveal. If Hasbro didn't want anyone to see it, we wouldn't be seeing it. They are close enough to the big sites that if they say "pull this", they WILL pull it. For about 90% of things, the idea of 'leaks' is just another manufactured part of their social media strategy and hype train. It's frustrating like those official silhouette images, but it's part of the same marketing strategy. And it's working, I mean we're all talking about the figures and getting excited about what we'll see via Toyfair; they get more bang for their buck. (And remember, Toyfair is about retailers primarily, they want to see what people are excited about). |
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 13, 2016 12:08:04 GMT
I appreciate that the less on the level side of the hobby is something that winds you up Ralph, which is why we have the 3P stuff split off now, but however these reveals happen they're still about the official toys, so a separate thread is only going to muddy the waters about what gets talked about where. Information about a toy should be where that toy is discussed.
All I could suggest for appeasement is that we spoiler tag unofficial leaks, but given these images are plastered all over the TF news sites it seems silly. Leaks and rumours are everywhere now in different forms - so where do you draw the line? is it just pictures, or anything rumoured? like the Transmissions' mole is saying that there is a Chromedome body coming with the head we've seen, it just hasn't been shown yet. So do you class that as permissible speculation, a leak (by track record this will be true) or irrelevant gossip because there's no picture?
I do see your point. We all spoiler plot reveals for films for example, but I'm not sure if this is the same thing?
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Post by blueshift on Feb 13, 2016 12:10:04 GMT
like the Transmissions' mole is saying that there is a Chromedome body coming with the head we've seen, it just hasn't been shown yet. So do you class that as permissible speculation, a leak (by track record this will be true) or irrelevant gossip because there's no picture? Who remembers when Armada Prime was going to come with a minicon that turned into the Matrix?  |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 13, 2016 17:44:05 GMT
Putting illegal images under spoiler tags is a great idea. Great idea. Folk can discuss the images but anyone not wanting to see the images can avoid them. Keeps everyone happy.
Though I find that the idea that people stealing images and posting them is part of official marketing strategies utterly laughable.
Also: let's say you made A Thing and other people stole images of it to get attention. Would you be happy? I wouldn't.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 13, 2016 17:50:19 GMT
But to be honest I'm not a billion dollar company who knows full well there is a huge amount of interest surrounding their activities. That doesn't make it alright, but it comes with the territory.
Besides, the images themselves aren't illegal, they're just being distributed in a way Hasbro may not want. And it wouldn't be people stealing them and posting them that is part of a strategy - that isn't what's being suggested - more that it's Hasbro behind the leaks. However I don't think that. Their pre-toy fair shots of toys in New York is them building excitement, not releasing odd fragments of images months beforehand.
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Post by Benn on Feb 13, 2016 20:36:53 GMT
To be honest, I don't see why we should be encouraging illegal activity. But the problem is, are they illegal? And if they were, why hasn't Hasbro/TT done something to shut them down?
I'm in the camp that is happy to wait for the official reveals, and I can even deal with the silhouettes. But this? It bugs me.
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Post by blueshift on Feb 13, 2016 21:05:19 GMT
To be honest, I don't see why we should be encouraging illegal activity. But the problem is, are they illegal? And if they were, why hasn't Hasbro/TT done something to shut them down? I think rule of thumb is if it's up on TFW or Allspark, Hasbro are probably cool with it. They can and have sent various warnings to those sites to take stuff down, which they tend to comply with to keep hasbro on the good side. |
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Post by legios on Feb 13, 2016 22:41:29 GMT
Random thought... Maybe we are seeing these things because they are still trying to isolate the internal leaks by means of "poison pill" tactics. It is what I'd be tempted to do if I thought I had a leak in my organisation... :-)
I'm not saying that Hasbro's internal security apparatus necessarily has any background in tradecraft and a level of paran^{][Caution that I have on a bad day but...
Advanced as a random thought of questionable value.
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 13, 2016 22:48:48 GMT
Missed an ideal opportunity to use the Strikethrough function there Kaptain!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 14, 2016 22:08:03 GMT
If Hasbro aren't releasing these images they shouldn't be put up here. Spoilerific for one thing but encouraging further (potentially if not definitely) illegal activity.
Surely Hubbers can visit said other less scrupulous sites if they really want to see them?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 14, 2016 22:20:58 GMT
You go that route you might as well stop talking about 3p toys!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 14, 2016 23:06:13 GMT
Maybe we should?? Two wrongs don't make a right etc.
The Hub has always been a pleasant bastion of polite behaviour but these various leaks etc has seemed to also open the door of late to the 'demand' culture of wider TF fandom and that is something we don't need here.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 14, 2016 23:13:29 GMT
Prototypes too?
You might as well ban all discussion about toys till there's officially sanctioned info & pictures out there!
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 14, 2016 23:33:45 GMT
I'd also say that as a 'pleasant bastion of polite behaviour' censoring what people can and can't talk about isn't very fitting. Surely the discussion here is driven by enthusiasm and excitement, not need and entitlement. No one's demanding anything.
If we try to categorize what should and shouldn't be allowed we'll never reach a conclusion and no one will ever know whether they're allowed to talk about something or not.
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