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Post by chrisl on Apr 8, 2008 8:24:57 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 8, 2008 10:02:39 GMT
Gah - scalping money from folks. I really need to pull my finger out and just put it up as a POD from Lulu at cost which would while be slightly more expensive would stop assholes making money off it considering his opening bid was far greater than the cover price.
Andy
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Post by chrisl on Apr 8, 2008 10:51:21 GMT
Why have I just put a ridiculous bid in for Victory Saga #4?  |
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Post by chrisl on Apr 8, 2008 14:14:11 GMT
I've now been outbidded to the tune of £15. Madness!
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 8, 2008 16:39:58 GMT
Hmmm. Considering dropping to a line to the fellow considering I edited two of those fanzines.
-Ralph
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Post by kayevcee on Apr 8, 2008 22:13:52 GMT
If you'll pardon my playing devil's advocate for a second, wasn't it you who said "once they've bought it they can do whatever they like with it" or words to that effect? It's not like the seller is passing off the work as his/her own.
-Nick
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 9, 2008 12:07:29 GMT
That was indeed me and I still agree with that earlier sentiment. I was just considering whether to drop the seller a line to signify my mild amusement to see something I worked on end up on ebay.
-Ralph
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Post by kayevcee on Apr 9, 2008 15:54:26 GMT
Almost as good as when somebody got theirs signed by Simon Furman and Andy Wildman at AA  -Nick |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 9, 2008 17:45:30 GMT
That will never be topped!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 10, 2008 17:01:12 GMT
And now they are going for £13 a pop! Well, I never saw that coming.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 10, 2008 18:14:54 GMT
Here's a thought. You aren't allowed to make fanzines for your own profit, but if it's legal to flog other people's fanzines for profit, all you need to do is team up with a mate, each make a fanzine - highly, rare and exclusive, mark you, because you're not going to give copies to anybody but this one mate - swap them, and sell each other's fanzines for silly money.
There's probably a flaw in the plan somewhere...
PS Don't do it.
Martin
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Post by legios on Apr 10, 2008 18:45:15 GMT
There's probably a flaw in the plan somewhere... PS Don't do it. Martin Yeah, I'd say there almost certainly is a slight flaw in that plan...... Although the chuckle of amusement that it brought to me this evening was worth it. Karl |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 11, 2008 7:59:13 GMT
Here's a thought. You aren't allowed to make fanzines for your own profit, but if it's legal to flog other people's fanzines for profit, all you need to do is team up with a mate, each make a fanzine - highly, rare and exclusive, mark you, because you're not going to give copies to anybody but this one mate - swap them, and sell each other's fanzines for silly money. There's probably a flaw in the plan somewhere... PS Don't do it. Martin Heh! Indeed. That being said I know of a few fanzines (none in TMUK you understand) that do pay people for their work and pass on the costs in the price. That saddens me a little. Andy |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 11, 2008 10:02:29 GMT
It happens with fan stuff sometimes. It recently came to light that some of the folk who work on the increasingly-up-its-own-arse Star Trek: New Voyages fan-film series were paid for their work. This came to light when an episode was nominated for a Saturn award. Cue a flurry of bizarrely worded press releases. Very amusing, and also a bit sad.
-Ralph
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Post by dyrl on Apr 24, 2008 18:50:01 GMT
Well, actually Martin raises a valid point.
In fact- the same point can be made about customs being sold on ebay - the custom is usually not the "copyright" property of the person customing it, and yet he is still making profit - but he bought the toy, or the parts - so he can in fact sell them at profit because they are his property.
The way I see it - Hasbro cannot dictate to you what you do with your TFs once they are yours.
Besides - it's not like the Fanzine stated that Transformers is the brainchild of Graham Thomson and all of it is copyrighted by Ralph. Fanzines - like other fan works - usually are very good about paying tribute to the copyright owners; not just out of a sense of propriety - but because we tend to admire Hasbro, Marvel comics etc etc and the artists, writers and designers whose work went into the thing.
Nothing strange then that others would come along and admire fanzines with equal passion and value them enough to pay for them.
In Martin's case scenario however - there is one problem - namely what you have described, Martin, is what is considered - under the law - to be "conspiracy" with malignant intent.
The idea here is that the goal is not so much profit as it is conspiring to outmaneuver/evade copyright laws.
But as with all such things - there is a thin line between conspiracy and...changing your mind. I make a fan magazine. I print it. It's all free. Then suddenly the person who I sent it to decides 'meh - don't want this anymore - let's see how much it'll go for on ebay?'
The decision was not made with malevolent intent - and the person is free to dispose of his property.
Are YOU breaking copright law? No - because you are not profiting from it.
If you conspired with your friend and your friend then gave you back 90% of what he took in on ebay after keeping 10% as a fee... then both of you are engaged in conspiracy to break copyright laws - he is merely acting as an illegal distributor of the goods.
In the end though - I think companies would be wise not to prosecute this kind of stuff - because ultimately the free publicity that they get for their product thanks to fanfiction/fanzines/fanfilms far outweighs any monetary losses.
Ultimately the best way to avoid bad things happening is to make it impossible for the government to prosecute on the basis of copyright law without the explicit request of the supposedly injured pary.
So I guess I think this is fair - besides - the fanzines were not mass produced - no doubt these are small treasures and will grow in value because they are a part of the history of fandom.
Put it on your resume Ralph - seriously - I would.
dyrl
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