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Post by The Doctor on Jun 2, 2016 17:37:13 GMT
But we don't know what the connections will be or how cleverly/stupidly they will be done. I just don't get why folk online are so angry about something that hasn't been made yet when there aren't any pages from it to even read as a preview. It's like saying a new film based on an old property will be shit before there is even a trailer to judge. Oh no, wait. Folk do that already.
Don't like the idea of IDW Revolution? Then ignore it! Buy something else instead!
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Jun 2, 2016 17:41:35 GMT
I am enjoying MTMTE and exRiD though! I want to keep buying them, but I don't want GI Joe/MASK/ROM in them or having any impact in any way shape or form on them. And if they don't then... why bother claiming there's a shared universe?
Yeah maybe everyone is sounding a bit negative, but comic companies are good at overcomplicating things and terrible crossovers. The idea of 'OH BOY ALL OF IDW IS GOING TO BE LIKE INFESTATION' isn't an exciting feeling. It's a terrible idea that might be good rather than a good idea that might be terrible. Going by the online reaction it doesn't seem to be something anyone actively wanted.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 2, 2016 19:37:50 GMT
Except Hasbro.
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 2, 2016 19:42:39 GMT
I had been lamenting recently how exRID puts so much focus on the useless and annoying trio of D0C, Buster and Bob the Insecticon. Now that you have mentioned the resemblance between D0C and T-Bob, plus the insecticon being named Bob already, dare I hope that the three are somehow killed off to create the MASK comedy relief?
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Post by primenova on Jun 2, 2016 20:03:16 GMT
Didn't New Avengers link the story to a portal around Doom trying to nick con tech that cause both Marvel & IDWTF to connect?
It's just the whole - these comics that we have seen are not in the same universe are now & we are doing it by doing this comic event. Be like if Marvel & DC did a crossover then all the comics from then on had Batman showing up in Newyork in his comic & Spiderman swinging round Gotham.
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Post by KnightBeat on Jun 2, 2016 20:39:27 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 2, 2016 21:29:15 GMT
Been trying to find a timeline for Joe, there doesnt seem to be one as clearly defined as TF but season 4 (the last set of comics pulished was set 5 years after the third season.
So if seasons 1-3 ran up till just before AHM there wouldnt be too much trouble. 5 years later would be 2012 which is long enough after the destruction that most of the damage had been fixed based on Earth set issues of RID and it was only 8 issues so not to much material to possibly clash with TFs.
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Post by Rich on Jun 2, 2016 21:43:50 GMT
Part of my scepticism comes from the fact that I don't believe these decisions have truly come from a desire to tell good stories; I think they've come from Hasbro's and IDW's desire to cross-promote and cross-sell. Yes, from there the writers feel they can tell good stories (and maybe they can) but I'm not sure it's a good place to begin.
But my real negativity and the reason I can't just not buy these comics comes from the fact that IDW have one really good story and anything that endangers that is a worry. As an example, I think the comic formerly known as RiD was alright when it started but I gradually lost interest in it as it was pulled hither and tither by various imperatives outside of its own story. Happily, James says there's nothing to worry about regarding mtmte (even renumbering would be a shame). But my initial fears were all that this would mess with that. Clearly lots of fans felt the same.
Finally, crossovers have a bad record in general and an especially poor one at IDW in my opinion. Add in the fact my resentment toward GI Joe is almost 30 years old and it's hard to sell me on the idea that I should be keen to see them in TF comics. Of the other properties mentioned, I have affection for Mask, but it's really just hazy nostalgia so I'm disappointed to read they'll be redesigning the vehicles.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 2, 2016 21:45:31 GMT
Dear lord that John Byrne cover is dreadful.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 2, 2016 21:53:21 GMT
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Post by primenova on Jun 3, 2016 11:34:19 GMT
It should be "shared universe" as in Marvel films & Agents tv series - like not apart from maybe 1 line the week the episode airs when the film is out.
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Post by Benn on Jun 3, 2016 15:32:56 GMT
A lot of artists had worked on Transformers, and I found most of the designs Andrew Griffith had done were great. I respect his designs and pushed to make them more complex, with new, flexible parts and more of an organic look, which I thought would bring them closer to the combined universe. I also wanted to bring some of the elements from the movies. No no, I think you'll find I want to smash the monitor. I just don't understand this rush to a shared universe. Marvel and DC have always had them, but... I never liked the Joe/TF crossovers, it never made sense. And throwing MASK in there too? Uh... I can't put my finger on it, but it bothers me. I have apprehension. |
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Post by The Huff on Jun 3, 2016 16:15:14 GMT
I think the problem is that a combined universe woks with Marvel and DC because they are the same types of themes (usually super heroes) and usually a single main character at that.
The Transformers universe is already a universe on it's own which was probably the reason for cutting the Marvel comics from the rest of the Marvel world in the first place. The same could apply to GI Joe too.
If there were only one Autobot and Decepticon that came to Earth and Gi Joe was the military and Matt Tracker was just a lone guy who happened to have a car that could fly when he opens both doors I'm sure it could work but for all these characters and tech to exist at the same time just sounds a bit crowded.
Still - let's wait and see.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 3, 2016 16:26:25 GMT
The Marvel universe is far more crowded than a combined TF / G.I. Joe universe could ever be, even when you exclude TFs and G.I. Joe from the Marvel universe (which I call foul play as they were clearly a single universe at one time). It's got mutants, aliens, Norse and Olympian and other gods, dinosaurs in the Savage Land, high-tech spies, wizards, vampires, dragons, sentient robots (besides TFs), time-travellers, Godzilla...
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 3, 2016 16:44:30 GMT
GI Joe never was Marvel Universe as very clearly stated at the time.
Transformers was: US TF 3, 7 & 8.
Whichis why we run into so much trouble with GI Joe vs Transformers.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 3, 2016 17:01:51 GMT
GI Joe never was Marvel Universe as very clearly stated at the time. Transformers was: US TF 3, 7 & 8. Whichis why we run into so much trouble with GI Joe vs Transformers. Clearly stated where? Not in the stories themselves, as far as I know. But the stories clearly establish that the main Transformers series exists on the same Earth as Marvel superheroes, SHIELD, Ka-Zar and (depending on whether you're Marvel US or UK) Action Force or G.I. Joe. Transformers appeared in the main G.I. Joe title from #138 to #142, with Spike Witwicky controlling Fortress Maximus... Spike who would not be controlling Fortress Maximus if Spider-Man hadn't saved his dad from the Decepticons in Transformers #3... Oh, and if we go down the Death's Head route, Doctor Who also exists. So the point is, IDW isn't proposing anything cluttered by Marvel standards. Also this: gijoe.wikia.com/wiki/J._Jonah_JamesonMartin |
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Post by blueshift on Jun 3, 2016 17:30:54 GMT
The Marvel universe is far more crowded than a combined TF / G.I. Joe universe could ever be, even when you exclude TFs and G.I. Joe from the Marvel universe (which I call foul play as they were clearly a single universe at one time). It's got mutants, aliens, Norse and Olympian and other gods, dinosaurs in the Savage Land, high-tech spies, wizards, vampires, dragons, sentient robots (besides TFs), time-travellers, Godzilla... Martin Yes, but given where the IDW Transformer books have taken Earth, you're either relegated to portraying GI Joe living in some sort of post apocalyptic high-tech future (where they did nothing to help) or ignore All Hail Megatron/Optimus |
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Post by primenova on Jun 15, 2016 5:52:47 GMT
Last night I read AHM which is printed in Titan #1-6 (all in one go) Character caled Hawke in it - isnt there an Hawke in gijoe?
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Post by primenova on Jun 22, 2016 11:57:58 GMT
So it looks like we need to get the 5 issue mini series & ROM. Doesn't look like Micro & MASK have any real effect on the titles BUT ... #1 from Oct16.
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Post by primenova on Jul 22, 2016 11:23:33 GMT
It seems like if we want the whole story on Transformers from IDW we have to buy every title. Soundwave is in Gijoe going by the cover.
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Post by primenova on Jul 22, 2016 11:33:53 GMT
So are the MTMTE & TF Rev comics going to be limited series then go to the numbering? LL & Optimus - or would we have LL, Op & TF with awful written TAAO hanging around too. It doesn't say if John is writing Tf & Optimus or just one title because Optimus sounds just like TF seeing TAAO cover old RID.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 22, 2016 11:39:30 GMT
Perhaps a few too many acronyms?
The Revolution titles are one shots, with the exception of the core revolution title.
After which the new series starting after from #1
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Aug 12, 2016 15:27:03 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Aug 12, 2016 15:29:37 GMT
Liking the art - the story is nothing too much, but it could be worse.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 12, 2016 20:35:19 GMT
I don't really want to sign up to IDW's digital comics thing to read it. Have they put it up anywhere else?
-Ralph
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Post by primenova on Aug 13, 2016 6:45:01 GMT
I've got it downloaded - are they doing a print copy or should it be in the tpb? So know if to print it out. Not read it yet - still only like reading stuff printed & not online (still haven't read timelines #9)
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 13, 2016 8:32:28 GMT
Those of you who read ROM #1 will already have seen the shared 'Revolution' links between titles a few weeks ago in that story.
-Ralph
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Post by primenova on Aug 25, 2016 20:31:53 GMT
The whole story is collected in 3 tpbs next jan/feb
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 25, 2016 20:54:39 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 30, 2016 21:55:21 GMT
and for those who want the single issues:
14/09/2016 ROAD TO REVOLUTION SPECIAL
14/09/2016 REVOLUTION #1 (OF 5)
14/09/2016 ROM REVOLUTION #1
21/09/2016 MICRONAUTS REVOLUTION #1
28/09/2016 MASK REVOLUTION #1
28/09/2016 REVOLUTION #2 (OF 5)
05/10/2016 TRANSFORMERS TILL ALL ARE ONE REVOLUTION #1
12/10/2016 REVOLUTION #3
19/10/2016 TRANSFORMERS REVOLUTION #1
19/10/2016 GI JOE REVOLUTION #1
26/10/2016 ACTION MAN REVOLUTION #1
26/10/2016 REVOLUTION #4
02/11/2016 TRANSFORMERS MTMTE REVOLUTION #1
16/11/2016 REVOLUTION #5
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