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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 2, 2016 16:46:01 GMT
Red wine was my brain-number of choice. A rather naughty little merlot.
I *#@%ING HATE TRANSFORMERS MOVIES!!!!!
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Dec 2, 2016 17:47:01 GMT
Jesus, do not watch Age of Extinction. I've got it on the Sky planner since it first came on and still haven't made it the whole way through.
It's also the only film of the 4 I've come out of the cinema thinking 'That was pish.' The first is a pretty good movie, the other 2 you have the cinema 'experience' helping out and it's still Transformers with Autobots and Decepticons leathering each other and all that numbs the pain a bit.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 2, 2016 18:12:05 GMT
AOE is the only one I can tolerate.
-Ralph
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Dec 2, 2016 18:23:19 GMT
Anytime I hear the word Transformium or Mark Wahlberg says 'Lucky Charms' I die a little inside.
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Post by Benn on Dec 2, 2016 18:31:32 GMT
Halfway through AOE in the cinema I had to lean arcoss to my date and apologise.
It's so so poor.
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Post by KnightBeat on Dec 2, 2016 19:26:50 GMT
I was debating whether to buy the movie blu rays for £6 a few days ago, before deciding it was too much for a set of movies I already own and don't watch on DVD.
Are there any decent fanedits of these movies? Someone must have tried, right. Right?
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 2, 2016 23:25:50 GMT
I saw AoE at the cinema. Because... I hoped... I dared to hope.... I am an idiot. I swore that night I'd never see another Bayformers movie. But now Thirsk '17 means I may to.
I am The Damned....
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 2, 2016 23:27:27 GMT
AOE is the only one I can tolerate. -Ralph How? Doctor, in the name of all that's pure and not-shit... HOW?!?! |
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Post by Toph on Dec 3, 2016 2:22:23 GMT
AOE is the only one I can tolerate. -Ralph Same. AOE is the first one they started treating the transformers like actual characters with thoughts and feelings. The worst part of it was literally grinding the movie to a halt so they can expplain that stupid gross "romeo & juliet" thing. The rest I thought was a significant improvement over the previous three. There was very little to no gross toilet humor or racist humor. The robots looked more like actual TFs, war machibes with armor, rather than skeletons with their guts exposed and a vague random car part here or there. The camera work was competent and stable, and you could actually understand what you're looking at. There was also a genuine attempt at telling an actual story, which hasn't happened since the first one. It's like they actually took the criticisms of the first three seriously and tried to work on them. And the dinosaurs, both real and robot, are some of the most technically accurate I've ever seen. Put the BS of Jurassic World in the dirt. I'm not saying AoE is a good movie, but it's the first one that I've almost enjoyed. I still think TF needs a complete cinema reboot, but AoE makes me feel like maybe this universe actually is salvagable. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 3, 2016 11:00:05 GMT
I still find the 1986 animated movie even worse, and less watchable than any of the four Bay movies, but I guess it is judged by less stringent standards (e.g. in terms of plot holes, acting and characterisation) on account of being a cartoon.
Martin
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Dec 3, 2016 11:10:41 GMT
Nostalgia also plays a big part in that.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 3, 2016 11:12:37 GMT
Are there any decent fanedits of these movies? Someone must have tried, right. Right? Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 3, 2016 12:10:30 GMT
Yeah. The stories may be suspect, but the films do 'spectacle' well. The bit from the start of the first one with Blackout destroying the base is just magic, and the hairs on the back of neck stand up every time I see the bit from the start of ROTF when Prime drops out of the back of the plane. A lot of that is the music mind you.
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Dec 3, 2016 12:16:20 GMT
As for AoE, the Lockdown plot had the basis for a good storyline as does the stuff with the Mystical knights and I'm guessing we'll explore more of that in TLK but the rest of the plot is awful.
The stuff with the corporation and Galvatron is just a bit of a rehash of Sector 7 with sinister overtones.
The Irish character is called Lucky Charms about 3 milling times and the Japanese character is, of course, a samurai.
Sign me up for anything involving the Dinobots but theres no exploring their backstory or how they tie in with the Knights or Autobots. It was all half arsed.
And don't start me on drooling robot dogs.
The last hour with the humans chasing each other through the building and Hound trying to hold off the bad guys culminating in the Dinobots destroying half of the planet was possibly the only enjoyable part of the movie.
They had a chance to build something after the first one was well received but Bay decided to go down the loud explosions, non stop slow-motion and incomprehensible close ups.
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Post by Toph on Dec 3, 2016 12:40:04 GMT
Yeah. The stories may be suspect, but the films do 'spectacle' well. The bit from the start of the first one with Blackout destroying the base is just magic, and the hairs on the back of neck stand up every time I see the bit from the start of ROTF when Prime drops out of the back of the plane. A lot of that is the music mind you. While RotF may be a contender to top my list of worst films ever, that four way forest battle was one of the most magnificent spectacles ever filmed. |
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Dec 3, 2016 12:57:58 GMT
'I'll take you all on' is my favourite line in the movie.
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Post by blueshift on Dec 3, 2016 14:00:25 GMT
AOE is a horrible film, you are all crazy. By the time the film's three f*cking hours are up, I feel any love towards it is basically just Stockholm Syndrome
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 3, 2016 15:26:53 GMT
It's beautifull how we all have such different feelings on the movies (you crazy Bay-lovin' sons-of-mother-hubbers).
Serious though, there are one or two 'good bits' in all of them, partic' the first one. Blackout attacking the base, the arrival of the Autobots, and the Decepticons gathering are very emotive in the first one. The woodland fight, sone of Jetfire, Devastator's initial combination in the second, in the third.... wow, genuinely struggling there... (gosh I really hated it...) AoE.... erm, struggling there too.... the Dinobots looked great, but they had no story.
I think I also dislike almost all of the human characters and acting in all the films. The guy that Bumblebee pisses on is the best.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 3, 2016 23:10:55 GMT
I think the first and fourth films are enjoyable. Both need trimmed down, fourth more than first.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 4, 2016 0:15:33 GMT
I still find the 1986 animated movie even worse, Martin Martin!!! -Ralph |
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Post by legios on Dec 4, 2016 10:37:38 GMT
AoE.... erm, struggling there too.... the Dinobots looked great, but they had no story. You mean the Legendary Warriors? I think that was what the dinosaur robots were called in AOE... (What is it with Prime's and subgroups. First Roadimus Prime with the Cassette Robots, now Optimus has no idea of the names of his new allies...). They did get one of my favourite sight gags in the film - a robot triceratops getting sick of being hoovered up by the giant space magnet and deciding to try and walk down the side of a building in a strop. There is something that just looks rather petulant about it. The geography of the last act of the film is also hilarious. There is something almost keystone cops about "we must escape from china by driving from one part of Hong Kong _Island_ to the other, across a bridge which never leaves the Island..." You can't even get to the New Territories that way - let along anywhere else. And the magic hillside over which you fly to go from Hong Kong to the other side of China... That is even funnier than ROFD's magic door in the Air and Space museum in Washington DC which goes to Texas! Karl |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 4, 2016 14:34:21 GMT
The 1986 animated movie was basically people being commissioned to do a Transformers movie, but deciding they didn't like the established Transformers premise of alien robots disguised in our midst, but liked Star Wars, and so did a Star Wars movie instead. But with every planet in the Galaxy being populated by English-speaking robots-NOT-in-disguise with a range of supposedly comedic speech impediments, a token female robot with a Princess Leia hair-do that suddenly made all the other previously genderless robots male by default, and a Death Star that turned into a big pointless walking man too big to walk on any planet. Oh, and they conveniently killed off the original cast in the first act. Big waste of what could have been done with the original TF concept and a relatively high animation budget at the height of the franchise's popularity.
Michael Bay at least brought the original TF story concept to the big screen for the first time. He just did it in an overly crude way.
Martin
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Post by blueshift on Dec 4, 2016 14:50:39 GMT
Big waste of what could have been done with the original TF concept Wrong wrong Martin, sorry. The original movie was good as it was set in space and had spaceships, which were more exciting to me as a kid than boring cars |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 4, 2016 17:57:33 GMT
The original movie was good as it was set in space and had spaceships That's not enough to make something good. I love space and spaceships as much as the next man, in things that are intended to be about space and spaceships (Star Fleet/Trek/Wars, Babylon 5). That doesn't mean I think it's always a good idea to move into space things which aren't originally intended to be set in space. It didn't work with James Bond in Moonraker, it didn't work with Fonz and the Happy Days Gang, and in my opinion it didn't work for the most part with Transformers. I generally prefer Doctor Who episodes and Marvel movies set on Earth to those set in outer space. Martin |
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Post by blueshift on Dec 4, 2016 18:14:32 GMT
The original movie was good as it was set in space and had spaceships It didn't work with James Bond in Moonraker  |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 4, 2016 18:17:23 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I love most of that film, it has one of the best Bond screen villains of them all in Hugo Drax. ("You have arrived at a propitious moment, coincident with your country's one indisputable contribution to Western Civilization: Afternoon tea. May I press you to a cucumber sandwich?")
But the going into space... was a mistake.
Martin
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Post by blueshift on Dec 4, 2016 18:32:35 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I love most of that film, it has one of the best Bond screen villains of them all in Hugo Drax. ("You have arrived at a propitious moment, coincident with your country's one indisputable contribution to Western Civilization: Afternoon tea. May I press you to a cucumber sandwich?") But the going into space... was a mistake. Martin The space laser gun fight was the pinnacle of cinema!!!  |
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Post by Toph on Dec 4, 2016 22:37:00 GMT
The original movie was good as it was set in space and had spaceships That's not enough to make something good. I love space and spaceships as much as the next man, in things that are intended to be about space and spaceships (Star Fleet/Trek/Wars, Babylon 5). That doesn't mean I think it's always a good idea to move into space things which aren't originally intended to be set in space. It didn't work with James Bond in Moonraker, it didn't work with Fonz and the Happy Days Gang, and in my opinion it didn't work for the most part with Transformers. I generally prefer Doctor Who episodes and Marvel movies set on Earth to those set in outer space. Martin That's kinda why my all time least favorite Gargoyles episode was the Easter Island alien episode. With Humans, Gargoyles, and Fae, there was absolutely no reason to bring aliens into the mix in a filler episode, and play them off as nothing. But sometimes space works as a change of setting. Space Usagi as an evolution/spinoff of Usagi Yojimbo worked really well. And Sunbow really committed to it, and I actually feel season three (godawful animation aside) is actually borderline watchable. |
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