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Post by browny87 on Aug 3, 2017 22:47:29 GMT
would definitely recommend!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 21, 2017 19:10:12 GMT
Spider-Man: Homecoming is still the tops on Blu-ray, with some highly amusing extras including an extended version of 'A film by Peter Parker' and several unused Captain America instructional videos.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 21, 2017 21:23:20 GMT
I keep forgetting I saw that film until it's mentioned!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 24, 2017 6:25:50 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 29, 2017 18:15:47 GMT
Glorious.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 29, 2017 18:23:14 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 29, 2017 19:09:24 GMT
I can see why they weren't used in the final film.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 30, 2017 7:53:32 GMT
I can see why they weren't used in the final film. I don't think they were shot with the intention of being in the film. They're not in the deleted scenes section of the Blu-ray, but rather have their own section, much like Team Thor & Darryl on the Dr Strange Blu-ray. Not looking forward to grim bearded Cap in Infinity War - I fear he may have lost his comedy mojo and gone Man of Steel. But hopefully not! Martin |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 6, 2017 21:52:36 GMT
Saw Spider-Man: Homecoming today.
Decent enough, but not a patch on Thor: Ragnarok.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 6, 2017 23:09:02 GMT
I keep forgetting it happened.
-Ralph
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Post by Stomski on Dec 7, 2017 19:33:30 GMT
I also only just recently saw it. Please someone explain to me what the deal was with the suit? Why does Spiderman need a suit with the technology of Iron Man. Was this nonsense ever in the comics? Why was it included in the film? To feed some character arc so that he can realise that he can be a hero without it? Pffffft. Lazy writing.
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Post by legios on Dec 7, 2017 19:41:55 GMT
I also only just recently saw it. Please someone explain to me what the deal was with the suit? Why does Spiderman need a suit with the technology of Iron Man. Was this nonsense ever in the comics? Why was it included in the film? To feed some character arc so that he can realise that he can be a hero without it? Pffffft. Lazy writing. Not seen the film as yet - DVD probably won't drop appreciably in price till next year - but I can confirm that in the comics Spider-Man did have a high-tech suit manufactured by Stark. It was called the Iron Spider armour as I recall, and Stark gave it to Parker after he signed on with Stark and Richard's side in Civil War. Karl |
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Post by browny87 on Dec 7, 2017 21:11:38 GMT
yeah it was actually used as a lure to convince him to sign with iron man over the civil war debacle
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 7, 2017 21:52:58 GMT
I also only just recently saw it. Please someone explain to me what the deal was with the suit? Why does Spiderman need a suit with the technology of Iron Man. Was this nonsense ever in the comics? Why was it included in the film? To feed some character arc so that he can realise that he can be a hero without it? Pffffft. Lazy writing. Your thoughts echo my own. A mostly forgettable film which misses the point of the main character by a country mile. -Ralph |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 8, 2017 7:23:24 GMT
Please someone explain to me what the deal was with the suit? I could explain but as you didn't find it entertaining, it won't change your mind. Just take in on trust that it worked for an awful lot of us for whom this was the first really good Spider-Man film. But then I've never particularly enjoyed Spider-Man in comics, and I've read a lot of them. Martin |
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Post by browny87 on Dec 8, 2017 9:07:19 GMT
agreed I thought it was very good!
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 8, 2017 13:07:31 GMT
I thought the chap playing Spider-Man was excellent. It was a shame he was being asked to play Teen Tony instead though with his magic Iron Man talking suit that could do anything (hence missing the point of the character). The direction was also very bland and generic and the script was very thin. Keaton was wasted in a woefully under-written role: he only really got a chance to shine in That Scene In The Car (by far the best bit in the film and the only scene which has really stuck in my memory). It's a toss-up between this and Thor: The Dark World as to which is the poorest MCU film, in my opinion. It's not awful, just not very good.
Still, I am glad folk like it.
-Ralph
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Post by browny87 on Dec 8, 2017 13:12:40 GMT
i think the general consensus around the world is Spider-Man was one of the better ones, I agree dark world was not good but spidey is definitely better than the hulk film!
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 8, 2017 16:48:47 GMT
Really enjoyed spider man but maybe because it came between gotg2 amd ragnorak, i do tend to over look it.
Not sure where id place it, the lack of bad mcu films means it might seem quite low considering how much i like it
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Post by drmick on Dec 8, 2017 17:42:35 GMT
I thought Homecoming was just ok, well down my list of favourite MCU films.
I detested the portrayal of Flash. I was also disappointed by how low key Spidey's existence was up until the events of the film, catching bike thieves and whatnot.
His reliance on Stark tech, and Ned Leeds also annoyed me.
The worst thing for me though was the line in the Washington sequence where he says he has never been up that high before. I had a real WTF moment with that, the first thing anybody does in the Spidey games is climb the Empire State Building and then jump off. I expect real life Spidey to do the same......
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 8, 2017 19:35:23 GMT
Not sure where id place it, the lack of bad mcu films means it might seem quite low considering how much i like it I rate Spider-Man: Homecoming up top with the Iron Man films, Doctor Strange and the first two Captain Americas. My least favourites are the Thors, the Guardians and Ant-Man. I enjoy them all - the worst of MCU is better than the best new DC - but I don't get as engaged with the Thors and Guardians films so much because they are all huge and cosmic, and stuff doesn't seem to matter as much to people in them than in the Earthbound movies. They are fun, but life is cheap in them - everyone is a swashbuckling fearless adventurer. I mean, half the population of Asgard being killed by Hela including Odin and the Warriors Three doesn't seem to carry the same weight as the individual lives put in peril in the Earthbound films. It helps that I still have a great liking for the Tony Stark character - the big kid with brains and money who likes to show off and treat everything as a game but is also haunted by his own past mistakes and wants to keep his arrogance, of which he is fully aware, in check. He seems more human to me than the heroes who are more consistently sure of their own rightness and infallibility. RDJ's Stark would be terrified to be a father (there was a throwaway exchange near the start of IM3 where one of his previous conquests briefly pretended he had a kid he didn't know about) but still has an affinity to talented youngsters because he has never fully grown up himself and sees himself in them. With the kid in Iron Man 3, the students whose research he is funding at the start of Civil War, and then Peter Parker, he wants to show off and impress them but also give them a boost so that they can achieve their full potential in ways they couldn't without his help - and then when they go too quickly and make mistakes (like he did) he gets cold feet and pulls back. In Civil War he pushed Peter to be a superhero and then pulled the plug on him as soon as he realised he might get hurt and he would be responsible. Again in Homecoming he was torn between wanting Peter to grow and flourish with his help, and then pulling the plug on him when Spider-Man makes mistakes and nearly kills people. Stark doesn't really know what he's doing as a mentor/sponsor of a young superhero, but is trying, and doesn't do a bad job overall. I also find Peter very likeable - he's in awe of the other superheroes, and wants to prove himself, and he's dazzled by the gadgets Stark gives him - who wouldn't be? But Stark rightly tells him that if he's nothing without the suit, he shouldn't have it (something Stark has learnt for himself), and he has to learn that he is capable of being a hero even without the suit, before earning it back at the end - and at the end, he realises that he doesn't want to be an Avenger after all. Anyway, it's all good as far as I'm concerned, and twists like the Vulture turning out to be his girlfriend's dad were the icing on the cake for me. And it would be completely pointless to re-tell the stories already told in the previous five Spider-Man films. If people want that kind of Spider-Man, they can go back and watch them. Martin |
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Post by Stomski on Dec 12, 2017 19:58:02 GMT
Re. the suit - It's not that he has a suit from Stark, it's more that the HUD and AI is unnecessary. Just give him a control pad that he plays with. And given his apparant awe with the Avengers, I don't think he would have needed much in the way of persuasion to join Tony's side in Civil War. RDJ's Stark ... snip ... mentor/sponsor of a young superhero, but is trying, and doesn't do a bad job overall. So it's another MCU film that without RDJ would not have been as good?  Films have to do more than such coincidences to impress now, we've seen such things too many times before and such twists are almost expected unfortunately. I don't think it's the story at fault here - it's the fact that as usual MCU writers decide they have to throw a load of fluff to keep the popcorn munchers and consequently the shareholders happy. BvS may have flaws, but at least it avoided this. Can't film makers just make a film with a good story anymore? It's all Orci and Kurtzman's fault! |
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Post by legios on Dec 12, 2017 20:19:26 GMT
I don't think it's the story at fault here - it's the fact that as usual MCU writers decide they have to throw a load of fluff to keep the popcorn munchers and consequently the shareholders happy. BvS may have flaws, but at least it avoided this. Can't film makers just make a film with a good story anymore? It's all Orci and Kurtzman's fault! Yep, they can. Things like Arrival, or Sicario are good examples of films with strong central stories, they are also good examples of things which aren't big-ticket blockbuster contenders. Story just isn't what big ticket blockbusters are sold on. They are fundamentally sold on spectacle - big visual events with lots of folk running about, explosions, enormous set-pieces and lots of shiny things to look at, and if that is what you are selling then you have to focus on delivering it. Superhero films are, for better or worse, the current occupiers of the blockbuster slot - one day they may cede it to space movies, or war movies or something else. But whilst they are in that slot, it is likely that they will continue to do what they need to do to try and hold onto that territory. Karl (Disclaimer - Not seen this Spiderman film yet so I can't comment on it directly, and haven't really enjoyed any of the Avengers films so far. I know why they are doing what they do, and why it makes them successful, but that is orthogonal to whether that is my sort of thing or not. I also felt that Batman vs Superman was probably the most ambitious superhero film of its year in thematic terms, but also the one that fell furthest from actually being able to achieve its ambitions, and "interesting failure" is not going to please a studio anywhere near as much as "unambitious success"). |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 12, 2017 20:48:28 GMT
While still of the opinion BVS was not a good film I do think kinder of it now I have seen Justice League. BVS is trying to deal with interesting topics (badly, but trying) and has a sense of trying to use the superhero genre to say something new. Justice League was literally about *nothing*. No strong themes or even much of a plot. Just people hitting a giant CGI man for 2 hours.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 12, 2017 20:53:41 GMT
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Post by Stomski on Dec 12, 2017 21:33:14 GMT
It's a fine coming of age story, but it has too much modern blockbuster guff in it which makes it feel like it was made to sell tickets and not to tell the story the writer wants to tell. (See previous rants re. Dreamworks/Illumination vs Pixar)
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