CHESS!

[Shockprowl]

May 1, 2022 22:20:19 GMT Pinwig said:

I'm working on the assumption all your moves are good ones.

And that is how I will beat you.

[Pinwig]

May 1, 2022 22:33:37 GMT Shockprowl said:

Castling and the en passant rule are the only weird rules in chess. Just those two. Everything else is logical.


Pawns are.... dangerous.... tiny blades in your ribs; gleeful for any chance to attack their betters and usurp them. They demolish the very squares beneath the feet of your pieces! And *you* are their general.

and the promotion bit. That isn't apparent just from knowing how the pawn moves.

I wonder why pawns only move forward but take diagonally. All the other pieces just take when they make their usual move. It's very intricate, chess.

[Pinwig]

May 1, 2022 22:34:28 GMT Shockprowl said:

May 1, 2022 22:20:19 GMT Pinwig said:

I'm working on the assumption all your moves are good ones.

And that is how I will beat you.

To be honest, I'm stunned the game has lasted longer than the two weeks of the Easter holidays. By my expectations I've already won!

[Shockprowl]

May 1, 2022 22:45:03 GMT Pinwig said:

May 1, 2022 22:33:37 GMT Shockprowl said:

Castling and the en passant rule are the only weird rules in chess. Just those two. Everything else is logical.


Pawns are.... dangerous.... tiny blades in your ribs; gleeful for any chance to attack their betters and usurp them. They demolish the very squares beneath the feet of your pieces! And *you* are their general.

and the promotion bit. That isn't apparent just from knowing how the pawn moves.

I wonder why pawns only move forward but take diagonally. All the other pieces just take when they make their usual move. It's very intricate, chess.

Chess, even the en passant move, is very well thought out.

[Grand Moff Muffin]

May 1, 2022 21:15:40 GMT Shockprowl said:

I am not taking any piss from you. There is no piss. There is only: art, science, and sport (Anatoly Karpov, 1988).

Did he really say all of that? Or just the last bit?

Chess and chaos are the same word, merely spoken with different accents. (Grand Moff Muffin, 2022)

Martin

[Pinwig]

Profound.

Well, it certainly echoes this thread!

[Shockprowl]

Pawn e4.

[Pinwig]

Pawn f4.

Need to keep focused. Real life slowing the moves down isn't helping my train of thought.

[Shockprowl]

May 4, 2022 21:59:45 GMT Pinwig said:

Pawn f4.

Need to keep focused. Real life slowing the moves down isn't helping my train of thought.

That can be annoying; one looses track of one's thoughts.



You're happy with the en passant rule, HM Pinwigov?


I'm not saying that's what I'm gonna do, I just want to make sure you're happy with the rule 'cos it's weird....

[Pinwig]

Er, no. Having read about it again I think I've got the pieces the wrong way round. I thought the taking piece had to be the one that hadn't moved at all so it took the other by moving past it with its two square first move.

I see it's actually a pawn that has moved three forward can move diagonally forward so it goes behind an opponent pawn to take it. Which means the move I've just made makes it possible for your pawn on E4 to take my pawn on f4 by moving to f3? Which also puts the king in check?

Am I also right that if you're going to do that you have to do it on the next move?

[Shockprowl]

May 5, 2022 21:20:32 GMT Pinwig said:

Er, no. Having read about it again I think I've got the pieces the wrong way round. I thought the taking piece had to be the one that hadn't moved at all so it took the other by moving past it with its two square first move.

I see it's actually a pawn that has moved three forward can move diagonally forward so it goes behind an opponent pawn to take it. Which means the move I've just made makes it possible for your pawn on E4 to take my pawn on f4 by moving to f3? Which also puts the king in check?

Am I also right that if you're going to do that you have to do it on the next move?

Yes that's completely correct. If a pawn is advanced its TWO squares PAST an enemy pawn that is already on YOUR fourth rank, the enemy pawn can take it AS THOUGH IT'S ONLY MOVED ONE SQUARE.

YouTube is your friend.

It's a very funky move to visualise, but once you get it in your head it makes sense. It evolved because the fact a pawn can move TWO squares on its first move is a relatively new addition to the Rules of Chess. So it probably freaked them out and they conjured up the en passant rule. The two move pawn thing was developed to speed up the game.


So, pawn f4 is a legal move, but my pawn can take yours and it would end up on f3: CHECK.

[The Doctor]

I've got the Connect 4 strategy guide.

-Ralph

[Shockprowl]

May 5, 2022 21:20:32 GMT Pinwig said:

...so it goes behind an opponent pawn to take it.


Am I also right that if you're going to do that you have to do it on the next move?

That's a good way to describe it; "it goes behind" the enemy pawn.

And yes, en passant has to be executed on the very next move, or the pawns stay as they are.

[Shockprowl]

May 5, 2022 21:32:37 GMT The Doctor said:

I've got the Connect 4 strategy guide.

-Ralph

Wrong thread, Doc'.



(Man, it's all kicking off at the moment!)

[Pinwig]

Right, so en passant can only happen when the attacking pawn is on its fifth rank and it's next to an opponent on its fourth rank (I've learned the word rank here...). What happens if there's another piece in the way? Does that get taken too or can the attacker not make the move?

Eg, if I had a piece on f3, would that get taken as well as the pawn on f4?

No, wait, that could never happen because the en passant can only happen immediately after the pawn being captured does its two square move?

So hang on, en passant can only happen if the player losing the piece knowingly puts his own pawn into a position in which it can be taken? He puts his pawn next to an opponent's pawn knowing it could be taken on the next move? Why on earth would you do that? Unless you're like me and didn't realise that was what you were doing.

[Shockprowl]

May 5, 2022 22:09:59 GMT Pinwig said:

Right, so en passant can only happen when the attacking pawn is on its fifth rank and it's next to an opponent on its fourth rank (I've learned the word rank here...). What happens if there's another piece in the way? Does that get taken too or can the attacker not make the move?

Eg, if I had a piece on f3, would that get taken as well as the pawn on f4?

No, wait, that could never happen because the en passant can only happen immediately after the pawn being captured does its two square move?

So hang on, en passant can only happen if the player losing the piece knowingly puts his own pawn into a position in which it can be taken? He puts his pawn next to an opponent's pawn knowing it could be taken on the next move? Why on earth would you do that? Unless you're like me and didn't realise that was what you were doing.

(Pinwig; I love you so much right now.)


NO! How can there be a "piece in the way"?! How could your pawn move to f4 if there was a piece on f3 BLOCKING its move to f4?!?! You are are over thinking this, 'Teach! WATCH A YOUTUBE VIDEO; THIS IS WHAT YOUTUBE IS THERE FOR.


You can move pawn f4. But I *could* take your f pawn en passant. In which case my e pawn would end up on f3, checking your King.

[Pinwig]

Yes, I've got it now. I was thinking that through in my post. So for black to be able to perform an en passant move, white has to knowingly put his own pawn into a position where that might happen. It's a gamble.

I was wondering why anyone would ever do that, but then I realised there are often pieces in positions on the board where they could be taken but aren't for lots of reasons. Like with the board as it is now, if you did do that, I could take your pawn to get out of check.

Right well. Would I have moved that pawn to f4 if I'd known all that? Good question.

[Shockprowl]

Oh gosh absolutely, en passant can indeed be a gambit! It can radically change a position and is not just a 'confining' rule. At all! It can be an attacking tactic.


Take f4 back and re-play, if you want to, HM Pinwigov. I insist the take-back exists, here, if you want it. En passant is mental, and correspondence chess is a tricky platform.

[Shockprowl]

So what ya think, HM Pingwigov? You wanna take back f4 or stick with it? I await in anticipation.

[Pinwig]

I am on the case. I've found Saturday. Time will be made!

[Benn]

Chess is confusing.

[Pinwig]

Well, en passant certainly is. I don't know how I read that wrong to start with.

[Shockprowl]

Guys, EVERYONE gets en passant wrong.



I ... I *seriously* fell out with my KASPAROV chess computer back in the day; the first time *it* tried to play en passant against me. I.... I asked my dad..... and... and he didn't know.... HE DIDN'T KNOW!!!!!

[Shockprowl]

May 7, 2022 10:10:50 GMT Benn said:

Chess is confusing.

But other than en pissant and castling IT ISN'T! IT ISN'T!!!!





But beware the Knight ...

[Shockprowl]

May 7, 2022 10:01:08 GMT Pinwig said:

I am on the case. I've found Saturday. Time will be made!

I love you, man.

[Pinwig]

Alright. I have evaluated. I will retract that last move now I know what these prawns can do, and instead go...

Bish c3.

[Shockprowl]

I think I know what my next move is, but I want to ponder it further to give me something to do whilst I'm at court on Wednesday.

[Pinwig]

They finally got you did they?

I must try and strategise. I find myself a bit pinned back and cramped at the moment.

[Shockprowl]

Yeah, some geezer looked at me funny in the pub the other night so I nutted him. Problem is, they had bloody CCTV! But if I'm going darn; I'M TAKING ALL 'A YOU WITH ME!!!




Apart from the lovely beautiful Ed who is sending me Prowls.

[Shockprowl]

May 9, 2022 18:56:29 GMT Pinwig said:

They finally got you did they?

I must try and strategise. I find myself a bit pinned back and cramped at the moment.

And yes you are as cramped as a Chewbacca in Mini.