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Post by Benn on Apr 7, 2017 9:30:52 GMT
Nearly finished my rewatch of Robotech and wondering... where do I go from here? Not sure what comes next, and the only thing I own is Macross Plus.
But, jeez is Robotech a more brutal show than I remembered. And there are some truly horrible people in this show. I really do not get on with Minmai at all.
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Post by legios on Apr 7, 2017 11:33:09 GMT
The Robotech version of Minmei loses the self-deprecating humour that the Macross version ocassionally showed - and also comes across as irritatingly immature as a result of them pretending that she was older than she was in the original source material - what feels appropriate to a 13 year old, becomes aggravatingly self-centred in a sixteen year old... There are very few huge changes, but the effect of the dialogue changes is to turn a confused youngster thoroughly out of her depth into a self-entitled little brat. It doesn't help that her english va was neither a competent singer, or able to actually go into the booth to record the songs without a bit of dutch courage beforehand...
Also, if you are watching the DVD release there is a bit of incidental footage put back in which was originally edited out to keep the on-screen body-count down - things like Ben Dixon/Kakizaki being near vapourised in his cockpit when the barrier shield overloads, the soldier and the little girl during the Zentradi bombardment and stuff.
Macross Plus isn't actually related to Robotech - it descends from SDF Macross rather than the dub - as do Macross II, Macross 7, Macross: Frontier & Macross Delta. Sure, the first 36 episodes of Robotech use the Macross footage, but the changes they make to the narrative and back-story mean that even before cut-and-shutting Southern Cross and Mospeada on the end to make up the numbers the two were going in different directions. So if you've seen all the way to Episode 85: "Symphony of Light" then in terms of Robotech there are only two places left to go. And neither of them would I recommend.
The first is "Robotech: The Sentinels", which is a "movie" hacked together from what had been completed of the first few episodes of the aborted sequel series when that project was cancelled. Its biggest sin is that it lacks any sign of an ending at all. It literally just stops at the point when the footage runs out, which is basically before the story proper was intended to begin. It is literally all set-up with no payoff.
The second is "Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles" - another attempt at a sequel, this one released as straight-to-dvd in 2007. It is painful. It is CG, and they proudly touted the fact that it was produced by the same studio that produced the Yukikaze OAV adaptations. Now that's true. But, what it leaves out is that they didn't have the studioes "a-listers" on the project and neither did they have anywhere near the same same level of budget per minute as "Yukikaze" got. Both of these things show. Also the character designs for returning characters show Tommy Yune's apparent determination to render all male characters steroid-enhanced (unless they are nerds) if male, or pneumatically-enhanced if female... It does manage a...sort of ending, in a "and now on to our next exciting adventure" kind of way. But that was 2006/2007. No follow-up has yet emerged.
I'd honestly say that if you have seen all 85 episodes of the original series the best thing to do is stop - you've already reached the most satisfying ending that Robotech is going to get, it is all downhill from here.
Karl
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Post by Benn on Apr 7, 2017 19:46:23 GMT
Oh lordy. No, I'm only at the end of the 36 episode run. I'll need to hunt down the later series then.
My DVD's are a mix. First two are the American ADV releases, and the latter two are the UK two disc sets.
Cheers though, Karl! You've cleared up a lot of the stuff that was confusing me about the Macross/Robotech divide. I'm gonna need to find the original source shows to watch as well now!
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 9, 2017 8:48:31 GMT
Was there not a weird sequel that used other footage in the wrong aspect ratio or something? Forget what it was called.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 9, 2017 9:07:54 GMT
I think you mean Do You Remember Love. The Kaptain will keep us right.
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Post by legios on Apr 9, 2017 9:45:08 GMT
Always glad to be able to use my mecha-nerd powers for good every so often. :-) Oh lordy. No, I'm only at the end of the 36 episode run. I'll need to hunt down the later series then. In which case thy next stop should be "Robotech:The Masters Saga", making up episodes 37 - 60 and made from "Superdimension Cavalry Southern Cross" (it is a bit "marmite", often considered the weakest part of Robotech), then "Robotech:New Generation", episodes 61 - 85, and made from "Genesis Climber Mospeada" Ah, I used to have a complete set of the ADV release - it was nice to have the show with its Ulpio Miniuci opening title music and the various original ad-bumpers that the re-release removed. Back in the day there were ADV subtitled releases of all three series - before ADV suffered from a failure to exist obviously. These are still available in Region 4 form from Madman Entertainment in Australia. Other than that there is a Harmony Gold release of "Superdimension Fortress Macross" on Region 1, which has both an english dub and subtitled japanese audio track. None of these have been released in R2 unfortunately. As to the various sequels and spin-offs to Macross, you've got Macross Plus of course, and Macross II (the first sequel produced, but subsequently decanonised and exiled as being an Alternate Universe story) has also had a dubbed Region 2 release. It is out of print but fairly easy to find on ebay (the dub is not that good on a technical level unfortunately). I'm not sure if a subtitled release still exists outside of the old VHS release from years back. The remaining Macross shows have never been distributed outside of Asia, due to various complex legal entanglements (and Harmony Gold being epic douchebags who have burnt their bridges with the franchise owners(imo)). DVD releases from several countries in asian do exist - your mileage may vary as to how likely you consider these to be official releases... Karl |
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Post by legios on Apr 9, 2017 9:55:34 GMT
I think you mean Do You Remember Love. The Kaptain will keep us right. Close, "Do you remember love" is the Macross theatrical movie - an alternate version of the events of the TV series. That is all in the same aspect ratio and the same film stock. It has a terrible English dub which appears to have been done for StarTV in asia (released on VHS in the UK as "Clash of the Bionoids") and a serviceable sub also released on VHS - both from the late Kiseki. It is well and truly out of print in English, but is available on Blu-ray in Japan. (Despite being different in some of the details, both "DYRL" and the original series are both considered equally "canon" - the Macross franchises main creatives consider them both to be different versions of the events of Space War 1 which _both_ take different liberties with the "real" events. The same for the movie and TV versions of "Macross Frontier" - both are equally valid versions, and both equally "wrong" just in different ways. It is a fuzzy-edged approach to continuity that I rather like). Anyway - the movie that Ralph is thinking about is "Robotech: The Movie", a "side-story" set between the first two segments of "Robotech" which interweaves footage from "Megazone 23" (filmed on 35mm film) and redubbed "Superdimensional Cavalry Southern Cross" (filmed on 16mm). This is not only jarring for the jump back and forth between different film stock, but also for the appearence of what are clearly the main characters of "Robotech: The Masters Saga" redubbed with different voices and supposed to be different characters. It is at best a curiosity - screening for two days in one cinema in the US and only ever having a brief VHS release in Europe. It is...odd. Karl |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 9, 2017 23:25:00 GMT
A terrible dub you say?
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 10, 2017 10:07:05 GMT
*puts hand over mouth*
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Apr 12, 2017 16:17:18 GMT
A Star dub of Macross...? *makes note*
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Post by legios on Apr 12, 2017 17:26:04 GMT
A terrible dub you say? Andy A terr ible duuub? A terr ible duuub. (It is a truly, excruciatingly awful dub. And lord help me I own it on VHS...) Karl |
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Post by Benn on Apr 12, 2017 20:03:06 GMT
If it's the same guys who did the 90's Godzilla stuff I will have to find a way to watch it.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 19, 2017 21:26:59 GMT
A small excerpt courtesy of the Tube of you
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 19, 2017 21:35:24 GMT
Another excerpt.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 19, 2017 22:45:28 GMT
Star Dub forever!
"You can still fight when you're drunk!"
"Micro-humans? What's that?" "What could they mean?"
"Kiss. Kiss. Show me how it is done."
"You have to kiss me or we'll die." "HOOOHAAAHOOOOOHHURGH!"
-Ralph
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Post by Dave on Apr 20, 2017 8:46:21 GMT
I've still got the Clash of the Bionoids dub of DYRL as well. Also have a heavily degraded subtitled version too. I've also got Robotech: The Movie on VHS which I quite like. Robotech in general I find fascinating, although I prefer the different series that make it up. Macross II (the first sequel produced, but subsequently decanonised and exiled as being an Alternate Universe story) has also had a dubbed Region 2 release. It is out of print but fairly easy to find on ebay (the dub is not that good on a technical level unfortunately). I'm not sure if a subtitled release still exists outside of the old VHS release from years back. Manga Entertainment released it on DVD in the US, containing both sub and dub versions. It's labelled as "Macross II: The Movie", but actually is an omnibus type of thing, editing out the spare intros/end credits. Getting back to Robotech II, the Robotech books told the rest of the Sentinals story. I've not read them though. The second is "Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles" - another attempt at a sequel, this one released as straight-to-dvd in 2007. It is painful. It is CG, and they proudly touted the fact that it was produced by the same studio that produced the Yukikaze OAV adaptations. Now that's true. But, what it leaves out is that they didn't have the studioes "a-listers" on the project and neither did they have anywhere near the same same level of budget per minute as "Yukikaze" got. Both of these things show. Also the character designs for returning characters show Tommy Yune's apparent determination to render all male characters steroid-enhanced (unless they are nerds) if male, or pneumatically-enhanced if female... It does manage a...sort of ending, in a "and now on to our next exciting adventure" kind of way. But that was 2006/2007. No follow-up has yet emerged. There was Love Live Alive in 2013, although that is set straight after episode 85 rather than The Shadow Chronicles. Basically a lengthy clip show although they did chuck in some new animation too. I mainly picked it up as it contained the Mospeada version in the extras; something absent from ADV's release. |
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Post by Benn on Apr 20, 2017 9:00:57 GMT
Those dubs are amazing.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 20, 2017 10:13:25 GMT
Of course they are.
Andy
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