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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 11, 2019 20:27:42 GMT
Well, I think 'Minerva' is a region in the Balkans, or an island somewhere... perhaps an alcoholic beverage to be served in the Sun...
But, yeah, I TOTALLY see what you mean about the yellow/roof lights thing that you said!
#SOLID.PHIL.THEORY
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 11, 2019 20:31:41 GMT
If you could repaint Hosehead, how would you do it (you are not allowed to say "blue like Hot Spot " I'd change the ladder to a crane arm and Grapple him. Not sure he'd work as a yellow airport fire engine Else, given the lack of Hotspot, possibly Artfire it? The options are limited. "Grapple him". Yeah. Uhh. Yeah. Can I get a Grap- Grap- Grap-. Can I get a Grap-Grap-Grap-. Yeah. (Sorry, went a bit 'Lego Batman' there....) |
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Post by blueshift on Jan 11, 2019 20:32:09 GMT
Oh damn that siren thing makes sense
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 11, 2019 20:33:15 GMT
Shockprowl Have you never seen them before? There's lots more of the same in Japan in 1988. Minerva is the first female TF toy. She is also ££££.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 11, 2019 20:37:37 GMT
Somewhat predictability I have NOT seen them before or if I have I have no memory of it/them.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 11, 2019 20:39:48 GMT
Shockeeeeeeers
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 11, 2019 20:41:38 GMT
Someone's going to enjoy the Catalogue polls for 1988 Japan onwards.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 11, 2019 20:44:53 GMT
Somewhat predictability I have NOT seen them before or if I have I have no memory of it/them. Shockeeeeeeers WHAT?!?! WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME, MAN?!?! OH MY GOD, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT SOME FREAKIN' OBSCURE JAPANESE TRANSFORMERS!!! OH MY GODFATHERS!!! OHH NO WAIT, IT'S NO BIGGIE, IT'S ALL OK- 'COS I'M NOT JAPANESE AND HAVE NEVER BEEN TO FREAKIN' JAPAN!!!!!*pants pants pants pants* |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 11, 2019 20:45:38 GMT
Heh, "pants"....
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 11, 2019 22:18:09 GMT
It is pants. Have you never watched an episode of Masterforce?
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Post by The Huff on Jan 11, 2019 22:27:31 GMT
I thought it was always obvious that Minerva was first and Nightbeat was the repaint because of the lights/hinge.
I've always wondered why they didn't keep them as lights on Nightbeats car mode so he was some sort of undercover police car - sort of like something, I don't know, a detective would drive...
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Post by blueshift on Jan 11, 2019 22:28:40 GMT
It is pants. Have you never watched an episode of Masterforce? Shh, don't distract him from his viewing of Zone! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 11, 2019 23:29:07 GMT
It is pants. Have you never watched an episode of Masterforce? I'm.... not sure.... |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 11, 2019 23:29:32 GMT
OH SHIT!
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 11, 2019 23:34:00 GMT
OH MY GOD, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT SOME FREAKIN' OBSCURE JAPANESE TRANSFORMERS!!! OH MY GODFATHERS!!! OHH NO WAIT, IT'S NO BIGGIE, IT'S ALL OK- 'COS I'M NOT JAPANESE AND HAVE NEVER BEEN TO FREAKIN' JAPAN!!!!!psssst... Shockers... This is a Transformers message board. People generally tend to know a bit about them. Mind you, lots of it goes over my head too. |
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 11, 2019 23:35:20 GMT
It is pants. Have you never watched an episode of Masterforce? I'm.... not sure.... Don't worry about it. Half the series isn't even about Transformers. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 11, 2019 23:35:27 GMT
I love you, Pins.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 11, 2019 23:35:55 GMT
*blushes*
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 11, 2019 23:57:59 GMT
I thought it was always obvious that Minerva was first and Nightbeat was the repaint because of the lights/hinge. What's obvious to some is barking mad lunacy to others. I'm sure Burns will be along at some pt to explain why we are wrong. The Masterforce Transition leaflet doesn't have many toys in their Japanese colours but it does have these....... And Six Knight and Ginrai? Are those then the originals with Quickswitch as a western repaint, a rather gaudy one at that, and Powermaster Optimus as a cut down version rather than an enhancement? The next year you can make a very good case that the Dinocons are the originals and not the Pretender Monsters too..... Hasbro Pretender Monsters Monstructor  Takara Dinoforce Dinoking  |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 12, 2019 0:00:09 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jan 12, 2019 0:01:52 GMT
The next year you can make a very good case that the Dinocons are the originals and not the Pretender Monsters too..... The insides of the Pretender Monster guys don't look very dinosaury though |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 12, 2019 0:10:49 GMT
I always thought they did in a kind of blocky way...,,,
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 12, 2019 8:57:23 GMT
I can see how Nightbeat's roof flashlights can be repainted into Emergency lights.
- Rakph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 12, 2019 10:15:44 GMT
Nightbeat does not have roof flashlights, faux Ralph!
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Post by The Huff on Jan 12, 2019 10:23:00 GMT
The next year you can make a very good case that the Dinocons are the originals and not the Pretender Monsters too..... The insides of the Pretender Monster guys don't look very dinosaury though That's true - they are more monster than dinosaur. But then a lot of that years Pretenders vehicle/animal modes didn't match the shells - which is good because you want something different I guess. Although at the time, I wondered why Octopunch wasn't an Octopus, Longtooth wasn't a boat and it was a missed opportunity to have Grimlock with a big scary T-rex shell! I also thought Pinchers scorpion robot would have been a better fit for Bludgeons shell. |
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Post by drmick on Jan 12, 2019 11:34:33 GMT
This Junior Headmaster theory- I still don't understand it. What does it matter as to which was the original design intention?
I am only accepting it as a "theory" if the US versions got released months before the Japanese versions!
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Post by Llama God on Jan 12, 2019 11:37:16 GMT
Well, I think 'Minerva' is a region in the Balkans... Able(nim) was I, ere I saw Minelba! |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 12, 2019 11:39:23 GMT
Phil is talking shite.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 12, 2019 11:50:53 GMT
This Junior Headmaster theory- I still don't understand it. What does it matter as to which was the original design intention? Knowing what the original intention was does explain some of the design choices. In this case those annoying "I am a 3 year old's toy" yellow blobs on Nightbeat's roof. The catalogues also make it a little interesting because the Headmaster Jrs are one of the few 1988 toys that were different in Japan that are in their Japanese colours/form - like Sixknight and Ginrai - look at Buster & Hydra (Darkwing & Dreadwind) they're greyed out. The colours being right suggests they were finished somewhat earlier. Later 88 catalogues show prototype toys and toys in their US colours due to the Japanese versions not being ready. In one case this leads to some toys having their western colour scheme in the Masterforce cartoon! Knowing which came first also tells you which company is responsible for the design. And it is a crucial point in the line as Hasbro and Takara start to go in different directions. There's lots of 88 western toys not released in Japan in any form - dual Targetmasters, w2 Pretenders, Pretender Beasts and vehicles - which, non HasTak moulds aside - was a rarity till this point. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 12, 2019 11:54:10 GMT
Phil is talking shite. -Ralph You think the Hasbro versions of the Headmaster Jrs are the originals? |
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