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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 7:43:30 GMT
Laserbeak isn't strictly a Supercon but he is aproximately the same size so is included here, causing the inverted commas round the class size. He has no repaint but was originally meant to have different colours, which are much more G1 Laserbeak Hot Shot's Japanese version is functionally different incorporating a lightup gimmick into his right arm Both versions of Hotshot has a Powerlinx repaint using the colours of G1 Hot Rod Western Hot Shot has a cancelled Battle in the Box repaint as a G1 style Smokescreen Armada Smokescreen also has a blue repaint in a Battle in a Box set. We'll come onto his oppo there shortly Blurr is repainted as Universe Swerve, beginning the "paint it red and call it Swerve" era. Swerve is believed to be an unused Powerlinx redeco from late in Armada and I don't think it's hard to work out which G1 character it's referencing (clue: it's not Swerve!) He's remoulded as Cybertron Blurr who is then repainted as Shattered Glass Blurr Supercon Optimus Primne (make yourselves comfortable) is repainted as Armada Nemesis Prime, Battle in a Box Ultra Magnus, who's oppo we'll again see shortly, Cybertron deluxe Optimus Prime, Battle for the Planet Keys Optimus Prime, Micron Legend Crystal Convoy and Micron Legend Scourge. Sideswipe - I'll come onto the name in a bit - is used TWICE in Universe Battle In A Box sets, as Oil Slick fighting Blackarachnia and as Treadshot fighting Ultra Magnus. He then is remoulded as Runamuck in Cybertron who is sadly not repainted into Runabout. Hoist is Smokescreen's non repaint power up form. The Japanese version is significantly sifferent swapping a lot of the brown for grey. His Autobot symbol is remoulded flat for Smokescreen's Battle in a Box opponent Ransack, who I'm convinced they ballsed the colours on! He is remoulded as Cybertron Longrack who is reused, with the original Hoist head, as Botcon pre Earth Dinobot |
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Post by Llama God on May 10, 2024 8:33:36 GMT
Now obviously it should be Optimus here - I loved the original Armada design, and this more articulated version was lovely to have - and indeed I still have it; this one was also an import thanks to friends travelling to the US.
However… I was always a fan of Laserbeak in the original medias and toy lines. Having an incarnation here that also turns into a playable prop was an immediate bonus. However I didn’t get one at the time due to holding out hope that we’d one day somehow get a more G1-esque repaint. And that didn’t happen. So eventually I picked up mine from the the boys from the Fu at the first TFNation. When that convention ended I had to also put the Conjunx back on the plane to Singapore (since we were not conjunxed at that point), and I put Laserbeak on my dashboard to keep me company on the long and lonely drive home, and there he remains to this day…
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2024 9:07:54 GMT
It's nice to be in an era where I still have unopened toys from. Give them to me then! It's my birthday soon. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2024 9:09:32 GMT
These are all brilliant toys, but it has to be Side Swipe. Fabulous car mode, fun storage for the minicon, punching fists and he comes with a shank knife!!! What's not to love?
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 10, 2024 9:31:42 GMT
It's nice to be in an era where I still have unopened toys from. Give them to me then! It's my birthday soon. -Ralph No. Mine is sooner. Also, very poor reasoning. Surely they would go to ToyFu first? |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 10, 2024 9:33:15 GMT
Go on then... why are the colours ballsed up?
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 9:38:34 GMT
Go on then... why are the colours ballsed up? On what? Universe Ransack? |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 9:42:59 GMT
These are all brilliany toys, but it has to be Side Swipe. Fabulous car mode, fun storage for the minicon, punching fists and he comes with a shank knife!!! What's not to love? -Ralph The odd proportions with the thin upper limbs and HUGE lower limbs, made worse by the clear orange plastic hanging off the legs, the rubbish Minicon and the colossal balls up with the name, WHICH HAS BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE HASBRO DESIGNERS, which will continue to cause trouble in two toylines time. The gimmick is fun, but there are far better gimmicks on other toys here. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 10:02:45 GMT
I like Laserbeak, something different though I could understand why he didn't click with everyone especially in those colours. Could have done with some Minicon hardpoints though Hot Shot is a last minute redesign rush job so I wantto be generous that they got a toy out at all. But the inability to swing the shoulders forward is a real killer and the proportions just look odd. Smokescreen is also a bit proportionally odd, but he does fun things. I'm not sure why he's Smokescreen and not Grapple though? Unavailable name. As we'll see Someone at Hasbro at this time loves the original Smokescreen so I detect their hand in this decision Blurr looks nice but his legs are a bit non articulated. Minus poiunts for the non 5mm hands, surely a must for a toyline with 5mm weapons. Supercon Op ups the game in terms of design and articulation. Really good Minicon too (Blurr's & Hotshot's are great too, Smokescreen's..... not quite so) I've slagged Sideswipe off above. And then there's Hoist Odd name reuse, would have been more appropriate on Smokescreen. But *SUPERB* vehicle mode, with rotating cab and remote control extending shovel arm that my learned colleage Mr John Cullen will recall from the Moon Under Water. Fabulous looking robot mode, pretty well articulated even though one of the arms is the shovel arm but somehow that works here. Yes he can't hold 5mm peg weapons but the Minicon hardpoint in his claw lets him use two of the combined weapons and enables him to go Death's Head with Skyblast or Luke Skywalker escaping from the Death Star with Minicon Ransack. Ww *KNOW* he was meant to have the minicon cog gimmick - people have taken the shoulder to bits and found the places where the gears would go. I believe the shoulder Autobot Symbol Panel would be where they would have attached This is a seriously good toy, my original still lives on my desk even though he lost a shoulder hardpoint in a fall which I then covnerted into a 5mm hole Probably one of my top 5 TFs ever |
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2024 10:43:12 GMT
These are all brilliany toys, but it has to be Side Swipe. Fabulous car mode, fun storage for the minicon, punching fists and he comes with a shank knife!!! What's not to love? -Ralph The odd proportions with the thin upper limbs and HUGE lower limbs, made worse by the clear orange plastic hanging off the legs, the rubbish Minicon and the colossal balls up with the name, WHICH HAS BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE HASBRO DESIGNERS, which will continue to cause trouble in two toylines time. The gimmick is fun, but there are far better gimmicks on other toys here. I don't need an alien robot to have human proportions and the name has zero relevance to whether a fan perceives it as a fun toy or not. Who cares? The name isn't stamped on it. Call it what you like. Or hold the idea that if there is more than one Phil there can be more than one robot with the same name. Prime Breakdown isn't the same robot as G1 Breakdown, for example. OR I COULD SHOUT THAT YOU ARE WRONG. -Ralph |
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Post by The Huff on May 10, 2024 11:27:17 GMT
These are all brilliant toys, but it has to be Side Swipe. Fabulous car mode, fun storage for the minicon, punching fists and he comes with a shank knife!!! What's not to love? -Ralph So glad Sideswipe gets a vote. Despite what others say, I love this toy - and it would have gotten my vote had Laserbeak not been present. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 12:17:10 GMT
The odd proportions with the thin upper limbs and HUGE lower limbs, made worse by the clear orange plastic hanging off the legs, the rubbish Minicon and the colossal balls up with the name, WHICH HAS BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE HASBRO DESIGNERS, which will continue to cause trouble in two toylines time. The gimmick is fun, but there are far better gimmicks on other toys here. I don't need an alien robot to have human proportions and the name has zero relevance to whether a fan perceives it as a fun toy or not. Who cares? The name isn't stamped on it. Call it what you like. Or hold the idea that if there is more than one Phil there can be more than one robot with the same name. Prime Breakdown isn't the same robot as G1 Breakdown, for example. OR I COULD SHOUT THAT YOU ARE WRONG. -Ralph By itself, Hasbro can call the toy what it likes. Even if this toy has a much better resembelence to G1 Nightbeat, his Minicon's name and the name Sideswipe should have had, than Sideswipe, who we generally associate with a Lamboghini. The problem is compounded when a toy that looks much more like Sideswipe come out a little while later and doesn't have the Sidseswipe name. That gets called Wheeljack. That's a stretch but I could have lived with it if they hadn't then released a toy that is the spitting image of Wheeljack, and gets called Wheeljack in Japan, and given it another name in the west cos they've used Wheeljack already for a different character <SCREAMS> |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 12:30:11 GMT
I mention Japanese names - here's what this week's toys were called in Japan: | Hot Shot with Jolt | MC-03 Hot Rod with Jolt | | Smokescreen with Liftor | MC-04 Grap with Lift | | Laserbeak | MC-05 Cyberhawk | | Optimus Prime with Over-Run | MC-06 STD Convoy with Surge | | Blurr with Incinerator | MC-08 Silverbolt with Turbo | | Sideswipe with Nightbeat | MC-10 Stepper with Cher | | Hoist with Refute | MC-11 Grap Super Mode with Spark Lift |
Hot Shot's is understandable, I suspect he'd have been Hot Rod in the west if there hadn't been problems with the Hot Rod name being trademarked elsewhere. Calling Smokescreen Grap, Grapple Japanese name, eminently sensible I like the Cyberhawk name for Laserbeak and await an Orange Bird Cassette for Legacy Blaster I can see what they're getting at using Silverbolt for Blurr, silver fast car, but Blurr works better to me. Stepper I cannot see a connection for at all which is odd given some of the others and the use of Artfire in Car Robots Grap Super Mode is interesting: the use of Hoist in the west leaves it ambiguous that he's a different character, here it's clear he's "Smokescreen's" upgraded form, the only Power Up in Armada to get a new mould - and there's an interesting link down the line in Superlink with the one character there who in his end of line repaint gets some remoulding as well..... |
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2024 12:36:07 GMT
Ah, but Phil are Side Swipe and Sideswipe the same character? Hmmm?
And Sideswipe has not always been a Lambo. I can think of at least two off the top of my head.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 12:41:41 GMT
Are they before this point? Alternator, Movie and RiD 2015 are much later
G1, Action Master, G2, Gobot. All the ones that transform become Lambos
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2024 12:46:02 GMT
The Siege one doesn't. Cybertronian mode car.
Game, set and match!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 12:48:39 GMT
The Siege on is a good copyright avoiding aproximation of a lambo, Cybertron mode or not. And it's waaay after this point
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 13:04:46 GMT
We mentioned the Supercon & Minicon packs yesterday.
4 of the 6 original deco Supercons appear in these packs
MS-01 Hot Rod & Air Defense Micron
MS-02 Grap & Race Micron
MS-05 Silverbolt & Street Speed Micron
MS-07 Grap Super Mode & Adventure Micron
Optimus Prime and Sideswipe/Stepper miss out
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 13:07:05 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2024 13:27:11 GMT
The Siege on is a good copyright avoiding aproximation of a lambo, Cybertron mode or not. And it's waaay after this point It's just following on from previous non-lambo Sideswipes, like in Armada. The precedent had been set long before. And the Siege Car is an alien mode. Not a Lambo. I have defeated you. -Ralph |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 10, 2024 13:48:20 GMT
Are they before this point? Alternator, Movie and RiD 2015 are much later G1, Action Master, G2, Gobot. All the ones that transform become Lambos I agree with Ralph on this one. The start of name-slapping is in G2 and continues through Beast Wars and beyond. The fact a previous Sideswipe was one thing, in no way has any bearing on whether another is, The same name does not equal the same character, we are long past that. |
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Post by Cullen on May 10, 2024 14:48:01 GMT
And then there's Hoist Odd name reuse, would have been more appropriate on Smokescreen. But *SUPERB* vehicle mode, with rotating cab and remote control extending shovel arm that my learned colleage Mr John Cullen will recall from the Moon Under Water. I voted for Hoist before even reading this, based on this memory  |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 15:55:02 GMT
I knew you would
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 10, 2024 16:33:30 GMT
I mention Japanese names - here's what this week's toys were called in Japan: | Optimus Prime | MC-06 STD Convoy |
Not having this, more of Phil's madness, nowhere are we having STD Convoy. Here have you met aul scratchy cock Convoy here? Clearly Phil is mad. MAD! |
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Post by blueshift on May 10, 2024 16:42:08 GMT
The tampo on Hoist refers to a (alleged) crime by the Hasbro team which is fun
Phil don't make up gross things
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Post by Benn on May 10, 2024 17:22:49 GMT
The tampo on Hoist refers to a (alleged) crime by the Hasbro team which is fun I kinda want to buy a Hoist now. |
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2024 19:08:20 GMT
The tampo on Hoist refers to a (alleged) crime by the Hasbro team which is fun What crime? -Ralph |
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Post by legios on May 10, 2024 21:09:09 GMT
STD is a loanword, an abbreviation of "Standard" - indicating a cheaper version of a character/mecha with less features than the more fully featured DX or "Deluxe" version. As such it could arguable be pronounced something like "stid", if one wanted to steer away from the connotations of the acronym with which it shares letters...
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 21:14:02 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2024 21:16:12 GMT
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