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Post by The Doctor on Mar 16, 2018 17:04:59 GMT
WHAT.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 16, 2018 17:10:16 GMT
Phil has a spreadsheet.
On it are all the catalogues and all the groups on each catalogue.
Against each is a date.
The latest date on the list is 8th May 2020, which is only 2 years away but still is in the next decade.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 16, 2018 18:11:08 GMT
SOMEONE who posts here once told me the Strike Planes are not good toys!!! -Ralph That's cos they aren't good toys! The hands and landing gear are immediately lost, and neither can be stored well in the other mode, the nose hangs behind the head, and all three are the same toy in different colours! Never been that fond of the jets You bastard. I'm changing my vote in the 'Greatest Fiend' thread... *remembers Starscream's weird laugh in the Combiner Wars cartoon* Hmm, maybe not... |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 16, 2018 18:52:33 GMT
Combiner Wars cartoon Starscream is not 1984 toy Strike Plane Starscream.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 16, 2018 20:18:58 GMT
YOU MADE ME WATCH IT!!!
YOU!!!!
YYYOOOOUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 16, 2018 20:22:55 GMT
And I've voted STARSCREAM!!! Visually, it's so hard to choose between these original magnificent Strike Planes. And personality-wise it's also really hard! I love all three. Individually AND as a trio. But Starscream is a great character, and a necessary character. You have to look at the Decepticon dynamic as a whole. Starscream and Megatron are so good together. You have to even wonder why Megatron keeps Starscream around all the time... to keep him on his toes? Anyway, the Starscream of 'Enemy Within' jumps out in my mind. Cruel, power-mad. Brilliant character. And a striking Strike Plane.
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 16, 2018 20:31:26 GMT
Hmm...
Hmm...
Hmm...
Tough one.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 16, 2018 20:34:16 GMT
'Bout as tough as it gets, Big Shooter.
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Dezzeh
Thunderjet
Wait, what?
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Post by Dezzeh on Mar 16, 2018 20:49:59 GMT
Definitely Thundercracker. The colour scheme, the sonic boom, the current version in IDW. Always been number one on my list of the original three.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 16, 2018 21:34:42 GMT
The only true Thundercracker is Action Master Thundercracker.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 16, 2018 21:52:19 GMT
I mean obviously it's not Starscream because he's a tit.
But the other two... The original Decepticon muscle. The henchmen. Taller and more majestic than the car robots and grittier than the aloof Soundwave. If Megatron needed a job done, Skywarp and Thundercracker would delight in impressing him and delight in destruction doing it.
The mirrored visors, devilish grins. How can you choose between them?
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 16, 2018 22:25:24 GMT
But they're both rubbish non-entities.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 16, 2018 22:42:21 GMT
Not in my toybox.
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Post by blueshift on Mar 16, 2018 22:51:11 GMT
But they're both rubbish non-entities. -Ralph I thought we are voting on the toys as in the catalogues though, so I am voting with my nostalgia gut rather than on the characters/media As such, thundercracker wins as he is blue |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 16, 2018 23:48:19 GMT
But they're both rubbish non-entities. -Ralph Doctor! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 16, 2018 23:49:16 GMT
I mean obviously it's not Starscream because he's a tit. Pinwig! |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 17, 2018 0:07:16 GMT
But they're both rubbish non-entities. -Ralph Doctor! Even I am ashamed of him this day. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 17, 2018 6:41:01 GMT
But they're both rubbish non-entities. Right! You're the Greatest Fiend. That's worse than saying they're bad toys. But a lot of people do seem to be voting on their love or not for the characters. If I did that, I'd have voted Windcharger, Ravage, Ratchet and Thundercracker. But I'm voting just on which I think are the best Transformer toys in the absence of supporting fiction. So it's Bumblebee, Buzzsaw, Bluestreak and Skywarp. Martin |
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Post by Llama God on Mar 17, 2018 8:01:15 GMT
Indeed - hence why I voted Huffer over Bumblebee.
And yes, this is another tricky one. It's down to Starscream and Skywarp for me. Starscream because it's actually too difficult to separate the character from the toy, and partially 'cos I did like the colour scheme. Skywarp because he has a great colour scheme. Something else to ponder...
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 17, 2018 8:18:52 GMT
I think I vote mainly mainly visually, with a little early supporting fiction thrown in. I find the catalogues so nostalgic that I find these poles send ne back to those marvelous early days, so I'm voting nostalgically.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 17, 2018 8:36:41 GMT
Even I am ashamed of him this day. The toys are beyond reproach. The characters are rubbish. -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 17, 2018 9:13:21 GMT
I believe i have reproached the toys.
I do not currently own any of the 84 jets, but I will next reissue.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 17, 2018 10:10:52 GMT
Starscream - purely for the colour scheme. It’s a nice and bright one, more normally associated with good guys. You could see them churning out drones in Skywarp and Thundercracker colour schemes but not Starscream.
Andy
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 17, 2018 11:24:26 GMT
This is TOO HARD.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 17, 2018 11:39:47 GMT
I repeat the advice I gave to Shockprowl earlier in the thread: Stop taking the little blue pills then! |
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Post by reilly2040 on Mar 17, 2018 11:56:57 GMT
Darn. Missed the first few votes of these, but loving seeing the old catalogues again.
Like most others its down to Starscream and Skywarp for me. If I was to take into account the cartoon, its clearly Starscream. He's the iconic character that's turned up in countless versions throughout the years.
But. Basing it entirely on the catalogue. If that picture was put in front of me and I had to buy just one based on the picture? Skywarp wins on colour scheme, so he gets my vote.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 18, 2018 8:21:36 GMT
The characters are rubbish. Not rubbish - under-utilised, but the tons of unrealised story potential in Uncle Bob's tech-specs and Universe entries makes them good characters. Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 18, 2018 10:00:37 GMT
Exactly! I mean, look at Skywarp's tech specs! He's awesome!
(Shush, Phil, shush).
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 18, 2018 12:12:02 GMT
OOH! OOH! THEIR TECH-SPECS WERE ALL SWAPPED ABOUT, WEREN'T THEY?!
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 18, 2018 12:13:39 GMT
This gave me pause for thought. I'm sure this has been done elsewhere, but I took a photo of the screen when Bob Budianski put up his original hand-written Tech Spec table at TFN last year, and combined with the might of Phil's BBCode tablising macro we can see that conclusively, Skywarp has Starcream's original tech specs: | Str | Int | Spd | End | Rnk | Cou | Fir | Ski | Tot | | Starscream (BB original) | 7 | 9 | 10 | 7 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 8 | 67 | | Skywarp (Box Tech Spec) | 7 | 9 | 10 | 7 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 8 | 67 | | Skywarp (BB original) | 7 | 4 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 54 | | Thundercracker (Box Tech Spec) | 7 | 4 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 54 | | Thundercracker (BB original) | 7 | 7 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 55 | | Starscream (Box Tech Spec) | 7 | 7 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 57 |
So, does that mean that Starscream was originally intended to be the sinister black and purple? |
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