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Post by The Doctor on Aug 20, 2018 8:43:33 GMT
There are many things about FM that just don't add up. Firstly, if he can turn into a spaceship why waste all that crucial time building Steelhaven? To leave Cybertron, why did he not just turn into spaceship mode and let his pals climb inside for the trip to Nebulos?
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 20, 2018 8:50:59 GMT
Because he needed to be in the conversation inside it? His tech spec doesn't say he has space travel ability; he has battle station and repair bay modes. So in Budianski's world he wasn't a space ship. That's the cartoons.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 20, 2018 8:55:19 GMT
There are many things about FM that just don't add up. Firstly, if he can turn into a spaceship why waste all that crucial time building Steelhaven? To leave Cybertron, why did he not just turn into spaceship mode and let his pals climb inside for the trip to Nebulos? -Ralph At the point he left Cybertron he didn't turn into a big enough ship to get all his pals inside. Remember he's about the same size as Hardhead and co in The Headmasters limited series. He only gets really big shortly before they arrive on Earth |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 20, 2018 9:26:39 GMT
FM's size varies from issue to issue. More of his lies!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 20, 2018 9:30:15 GMT
Spaceship Maximus is not a Marvel comics thing. Very much derivative from the cartoons.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 20, 2018 9:32:53 GMT
But...but I knew he turned into a spaceship back in the day!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 20, 2018 9:37:38 GMT
It depends which fiction-continuity you subscribe to. He was never a spaceship in the Marvel comics even when enlarged on the way to Earth. Hence needing shuttles and the Steelhaven to go anywhere.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 20, 2018 9:51:52 GMT
I think he was always a spaceship. He is clearly a Decepticon agent.
-Ralph
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Post by The Huff on Aug 20, 2018 12:39:34 GMT
Wasn't he used as a boat once?
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 20, 2018 13:11:35 GMT
Yes... Boat is generous. Floating raft maybe more accurate.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 20, 2018 14:00:03 GMT
#FakeSeaspray
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 20, 2018 14:07:22 GMT
FM was never a spaceship in the comics universe. And even after he was made bigger on the way to Earth, to
incorporate Cerebros, he still wasn't big enough to carry all his fellow Autobots.
Yes, he floats and carried PM Prime and Blaster on the water in one issue. Forty McFortface.
Only the cartoon made him really big and able to fly.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 20, 2018 14:10:02 GMT
FM's size varies from issue to issue. So does everyone else's!!! Martin |
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Post by The Huff on Aug 20, 2018 14:36:48 GMT
FM's size varies from issue to issue. So does everyone else's!!! Martin I think Omega Supreme would be the winner for this! |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 20, 2018 18:07:20 GMT
FM's size varies from issue to issue. So does everyone else's!!! Martin But by the time he is the same size as Goldbug he has been 'enlarged'. I put it to you that this proves FM had secret size-changing powers! Powers he used for...deception!!! -Ralph |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 20, 2018 19:38:13 GMT
Just as Optimus Prime was taller than Grimlock until he got his Powermaster upgrade. Then they were the same size!
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 20, 2018 21:16:22 GMT
So when Autobots get 'bigger' they actually get smaller...Optimus Prime and Fortress Maximus...
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 20, 2018 22:16:29 GMT
I feel only Martin can solve this conundrum... with another story.  |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 21, 2018 5:06:15 GMT
[child monk talking to Neo in The Matrix]
"Do not try and change the size of your Transformer, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realise the truth... there is no Transformer. Then you'll see that it is not the Transformer that changes size, it is only yourself."
[/child monk]
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 21, 2018 7:13:24 GMT
My problem with Fortress Maximus isn't his lack of a spaceship mode or changing size, it's his complete disregard for the Ark at the end of the Marvel US comic series, if either Generation 2 or Regeneration 1 are to be believed.
So you're the last Autobot standing, a human controlling the most powerful robot on Earth, and you've just defeated Galvatron. A short distance away is the Ark, completely smashed up, dead human soldiers and destroyed tanks outside, and one Decepticon has come out of it already. Do you check it out, make sure it's safe? Report it to Prime when he drops off G.B. Blackrock and the Neo-Knights? Help the human authorities destroy/dismantle/exploit it?
No, you just leave it where it is and forget about it. And somehow make the human authorities also leave it where it is and forget about it. In G2, you even pop Fort Max back inside before leaving it and forgetting about it. Massive alien spaceship all smashed up. Nothing to see here, move along!
Martin
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Post by primenova on Aug 21, 2018 7:15:04 GMT
Staz was drawing them & didn't know they where bigger than 6 foot until after a few issues. But back to Fort Max - he did alter size a bit in Headmasters #1 - seem small then big in battle then larger at the end when they took heads off (might have been looking at toy images then)
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2018 9:48:12 GMT
Makes me wonder if Fort Max was really still himself then at the end of the original comic run to forget about the Ark. Scorponok bonding with Zarak changed his personality/mind. Perhaps the same happened to Max.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 21, 2018 12:22:14 GMT
I doubt the Headmasters were the originals from the moment of binary bonding. I liked that it seemed to affect each pairing to a different degree and a different time scale to other pairings. Given that the original (stated) intent was from full Nebulan control with advice/communication with the originals... things went toon far. Unexpected? Maybe for the hapless volunteers, maybe not for the Bots and Nebulans whof plotted it...
The Scorponok/Zarak running story is great. Zarak being a power hungry aristocrat on a world of peace suddenly gaining access to raw physical power and a matching army... Scorponok going from a regional commander on a used up husk of a world to suddenly welding massive influence via Zarak on a world rich in resources and ready for exploitation...
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