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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 1, 2018 11:33:19 GMT
THE BACKBONE!!! THE BACKBONE, GODDAMN IT!!! WHY CAN'T YOU SEE IT?!?!?!?!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 1, 2018 11:39:49 GMT
Sadly I fear B'n'B will not be convinced by any theory coming from Mad Theory Phil even if on this one occasion it is not mad and quite sound.
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Post by Llama God on Dec 1, 2018 11:40:44 GMT
I pretty much buy into this theory. Yes, there were plenty of exceptions to the rule. But the original backbone was indeed that the bad guys were military jets, and that the good guys were road vehicles.
Indeed, they make a whole thing about this in The Key to Vector Sigma, when the Autobots and Decepticons deliberately create the Aerialbots and the Stunticons to address their deficiencies in those areas.
It's not a perfect or consistent pattern, but then what in G1 was? But there was certainly something of it there at the start.
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 1, 2018 11:41:36 GMT
Sadly I fear B'n'B will not be convinced by any theory coming from Mad Theory Phil even if on this one occasion it is not mad and quite sound. Then it is up to you, A SCIENTOLOGIST OF VAST STATURE, to convince them! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 1, 2018 11:43:50 GMT
I pretty much buy into this theory. Yes, there were plenty of exceptions to the rule. But the original backbone was indeed that the bad guys were military jets, and that the good guys were road vehicles. Indeed, they make a whole thing about this in The Key to Vector Sigma, when the Autobots and Decepticons deliberately create the Aerialbots and the Stunticons to address their deficiencies in those areas. |
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Post by The Huff on Dec 1, 2018 12:02:42 GMT
Not one to use capitals very much but:
OF COURSE IT BLOODY WAS! IT'S AS PLAIN AS CAN BE! THE AUTOBOTS ARE CALLED AUTO-BOTS BECAUSE THEY ARE AUTOIMOBILES AND ROBOTS!! WHY IS THIS EVEN A POLL?
WHAT'S NEXT - OPTIMUS PRIME WAS NEVER INTRODUCED AS THE COMMANDER OF THE AUTOBOTS?!!!
(Just found out I can use bold text too!)
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Post by blueshift on Dec 1, 2018 12:12:43 GMT
WHAT'S NEXT - OPTIMUS PRIME WAS NEVER INTRODUCED AS THE COMMANDER OF THE AUTOBOTS?!!!(Just found out I can use bold text too!) Not to blow your mind Matt, but in Holland, JETFIRE was the leader of the autobots not Optimus  20thcenturytoycollector.com/mb-transformers-part-5/(That was until they sorted out various legal/trademark issues) |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 1, 2018 12:35:39 GMT
What a load of crap, Blueshift! Jetfire being 'standin' leader is not example at all!
YOU FOOL!!!
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 1, 2018 12:39:28 GMT
Not one to use capitals very much but: OF COURSE IT BLOODY WAS! IT'S AS PLAIN AS CAN BE! THE AUTOBOTS ARE CALLED AUTO-BOTS BECAUSE THEY ARE AUTOIMOBILES AND ROBOTS!! WHY IS THIS EVEN A POLL?
WHAT'S NEXT - OPTIMUS PRIME WAS NEVER INTRODUCED AS THE COMMANDER OF THE AUTOBOTS?!!!(Just found out I can use bold text too!)
CHECKMATE, BLUESHIFT AND THE DOCKTOR!!! |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 1, 2018 13:34:46 GMT
I must now transform Topspin and Twintwist to...car mode!!!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 1, 2018 13:37:48 GMT
Cars VS planes was the original story point wasn't Where? At no point man or child has ANY form of media for the original line stated this! It doesn't exist! Not one comic or cartoon says this. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 1, 2018 13:41:07 GMT
As Phil says, Cars Vs Planes is the consistent 'back-bone' of the Autobot/Decepticon armies. '84 to '86 make that UNDISPUTEDLY obvious! Later the fun and appropriate twist of vehicles Vs creatures carried forward the theme. If it was such a backbone why do NONE of the leaders turn into cars? -Ralph |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 1, 2018 13:41:54 GMT
THE DOCKTOR
WAKE UP AND SMELL YOUR ARGUMENT BURNING!!!!
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 1, 2018 13:43:35 GMT
What a load of crap, Blueshift! Jetfire being 'standin' leader is not example at all! YOU FOOL!!! Blueshift sees through the madness of this lunacy. -Ralph |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 1, 2018 13:49:19 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 1, 2018 13:49:45 GMT
Sad....
So sad, to see two Grown Men clinging by their bloodied fingernails to their blind refusal to except such an obvious Truth....
Friends, let us sit upon the ground, and Channel together, for the hope that one day Blueshift and The Doctor will find their way out of the Dark Forrest of Foolish Denial, and back into the Land of Obvious Truths.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 1, 2018 13:50:11 GMT
THE DOCKTOR
WAKE UP AND SMELL YOUR ARGUMENT BURNING!!!! He can't admit to another piece of Transformers lore having slipped past him again! |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 1, 2018 13:52:33 GMT
Isn't there an even earlier 1984 ad with a voiceover that's something like "It's heroic Autobot cars vs Evil Decepticon jets"? |
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 1, 2018 13:53:18 GMT
What happened to Ramjet in that advert?
and... collectible action cards? WHAT?
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 1, 2018 14:07:17 GMT
Isn't there an even earlier 1984 ad with a voiceover that's something like "It's heroic Autobot cars vs Evil Decepticon jets"? Pretty sure there is. In my current state that's the best I could find for the moment. |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 1, 2018 14:40:22 GMT
Quickly! I must transform the dinobots to...car mode!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 1, 2018 14:44:40 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Dec 1, 2018 14:44:48 GMT
Quickly! I must transform the dinobots to...car mode!!! -Ralph So are we saying that the Constructions, Megatron, Soundwave, Reflector, the Stunticons, the Combatacons and the Insections are all planes. And that's just years 1-2. I mean sure the majority of early Autobots are cars (apart from the ones that are planes like Powerglide and Jetfire and Whirl and the Aerialbots) but only six Decepticons are planes. And once it hits the later eras it's even more jumbled! Of course my era of Transformers was about '87 onwards, or as I know it, the PURE, CORRECT era. |
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Post by Benn on Dec 1, 2018 15:08:48 GMT
Okay, as I remember it, the adverts in the very beginnning of the comic WERE Autobot cars vs. Decepticon planes. But it never said that that was the the main thing. Nor was it made out as something special when the Autobots gained a plane or the Decepticons a car. So, I'm going to come down on B n' B's side here.
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 1, 2018 15:40:22 GMT
Then I hope you enjoy eternity
IN THE DARK FOREST OF DENIAL!!!
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Post by drmick on Dec 1, 2018 16:13:15 GMT
WHAT'S NEXT - OPTIMUS PRIME WAS NEVER INTRODUCED AS THE COMMANDER OF THE AUTOBOTS?!!!(Just found out I can use bold text too!) Not to blow your mind Matt, but in Holland, JETFIRE was the leader of the autobots not Optimus 20thcenturytoycollector.com/mb-transformers-part-5/(That was until they sorted out various legal/trademark issues) Apologies for asking a question off topic- This image of Jetfire vs Megatron, I am convinced I saw this somewhere as a child in the 1980s, but I can't work out how that could be? It's been annoying me since the image was reproduced in the Japanese Generations book. Would any of you guys remember? Martin might know, but I doubt he would wade into this thread. The answer, by the way, is: yes, yes it does. |
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Post by blueshift on Dec 1, 2018 16:14:04 GMT
A cut-out of it was used as the cover of the Dutch TF catalogue as well
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Post by ryanf on Dec 1, 2018 16:24:58 GMT
Would just like to point out that the whole cars v planes thing was so well-established, that when Jetfire was introduced, both the comic and the cartoon (seemingly independently of each other) both felt the need to justify the existence of a good guy plane so they made him a Decepticon who defected to the Autobots.
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Post by The Huff on Dec 1, 2018 16:59:26 GMT
Even Travis Knight commented on the Plane Vs Cars thing recently.
I know there were toys that didn't follow the pattern the following years (Constructicons, Warpath etc) but we're talking originally. That would be like saying that Beast Wars isn't Mammals Vs Dinosaurs/insects as there are exceptions to this rule.
Actually, I wonder - if Hasbro only had the Diaclone toys to work with (and no Microman), would the original Decepticon line up consist of more different coloured jets?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 1, 2018 17:16:19 GMT
Apologies for asking a question off topic- This image of Jetfire vs Megatron, I am convinced I saw this somewhere as a child in the 1980s, but I can't work out how that could be? It's been annoying me since the image was reproduced in the Japanese Generations book. Would any of you guys remember? Martin might know, but I doubt he would wade into this thread. The answer, by the way, is: yes, yes it does. I am not Martin but you are quite correct. It was used to advertise the comic and appeared in the inside cover of the Adventure Game Books. |
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