kayevcee
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Post by kayevcee on Feb 24, 2018 10:25:12 GMT
For the actual Haslab Unicron jump to the second page at tmukhub.proboards.com/post/375097/threadFor our speculation when the Sail Barge launched, read on: P
Hi folks. I'm trying to be more present on TMUK. What better way to say "I'm back, baby!" than presenting the prospect of a... I don't know... $300 Unicron? A Gateway to Unicron - HasLab CrowdfundingSo a few people have compared this to crowdfunding, but thankfully Hasbro isn't looking for cash up front. It's more like a pre-order setup where the figure only gets made if they receive enough orders. Given that this only makes financial sense if they don't even create the moulds for casting the parts until after the orders are in, I guess there'd be a lead time of six months to a year based on what designers have said in interviews about the process of making new dudes. Would anyone be up for this? Does anyone have room in their house? What would you like it to do (or not do)? -Electronics? -Voice chip? -Missile launchers? -Car launchers? -Removable torso sections where you can re-enact movie scenes with the tiny figures it comes with? -Other things? If he turns into a proper sphere (with the rings going pole-to-pole) it would have to have a pretty major flight stand at least. -Nick |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 24, 2018 10:53:31 GMT
General HASLAB thread at tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/9738/haslab, some stuff on their first product Star Wars Jabba's Sail Barge at tmukhub.proboards.com/post/309920/thread. Looking at the Sail Bare it stands currently at 1849 of 5,000 backer goal with 7 days gone & 38 days to go: www.hasbrolab.com/. I'm not 100% hopeful it'll get there, and that may affect future products. Takara Tomy have already had a go with something very similar for TFs with Legends Grand Max ( tmukhub.proboards.com/post/296255/thread) which made it's initial target but failed to reach it's stretch goal. If HASLAB continues, I think it's inevitable Hasbro will try this quite quickly with Transformers and it will be something Unicron, Omega Supereme like. The slight problem is they've burned through most of the large TFs at Titan Class the last few years. I think for a Unicron I would be looking at the kitchen sink. The works. |
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Post by blueshift on Feb 24, 2018 10:58:20 GMT
I think the thing about the Sail Barge is that yes it's cool, but not $500. It's basically a big shell. I mean, maybe it'll make it? Also the site at the moment is US only, isn't it?
TF wise, would they do an original mold as part of it do you think, or just repaints/slight remold?
I mean I could see a Metrotitan / Brave Max / G2 Devastator out of it, but less likely they'd do a Unicron from scratch. But crazier things have happened.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 24, 2018 11:40:41 GMT
I was thinking that too - why is that barge $500? probably because it'd be a limited run piece, so individual units would cost more than something that would go out at general retail. It doesn't *look* like $500 worth to me, because as Blue says, it's a big shell. For TFs I think something like this would have to be a new mould. Remoulds of the existing Titan class shells, even at say $200 for something akin to what Fort Max was compared to Metroplex, I can't see me wanting anything.
If they used it as an opportunity to do something like the Constructicons (they wouldn't now) but do them as six *proper* voyagers and not the half way house we did get, then I'd go for that. Predaking for $300 instead of $150, but with really decent modes for all forms? Yes.
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Feb 24, 2018 11:59:50 GMT
If they're using it to do proper TFs then I'd join in. Fancy repaints and larger versions of stuff we already have might not be that popular.
Omega Supreme I would be all for. Unicron I'd be less enthused about unless it was a major update on the already fantastic Armada, Energon and Platinum Movie versions available.
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Feb 24, 2018 12:02:23 GMT
I was thinking that too - why is that barge $500? probably because it'd be a limited run piece, so individual units would cost more than something that would go out at general retail. It doesn't *look* like $500 worth to me, because as Blue says, it's a big shell. For TFs I think something like this would have to be a new mould. Remoulds of the existing Titan class shells, even at say $200 for something akin to what Fort Max was compared to Metroplex, I can't see me wanting anything. If they used it as an opportunity to do something like the Constructicons (they wouldn't now) but do them as six *proper* voyagers and not the half way house we did get, then I'd go for that. Predaking for $300 instead of $150, but with really decent modes for all forms? Yes. A Lego Death Star looks like £350 worth. The blueprints for the SW Barge don't. Unless its gimmicked to hell, you could build something similar yourself. Me and my friends used to do it when we were kids and build makeshift Batches, Ninja Turtles lairs and Hot Wheels Parking Garages. |
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 24, 2018 13:25:49 GMT
I once made a landspeeder for Luke out of a tic-tac box. Oh yes, no end to my ingenuity. His legs just about fit in anyway.
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Post by blueshift on Feb 24, 2018 13:40:56 GMT
I once made a landspeeder for Luke out of a tic-tac box. Oh yes, no end to my ingenuity. His legs just about fit in anyway. "...28 years old, I was..." |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 24, 2018 14:07:02 GMT
The sail barge looks nice but doesn't do much for $500 so I can think it will struggle to get funded. How many folk have $500 spare suddenly to drop on what is really just a big display prop for figures?
I'm not interested in Haslab or TF projects if this is the pricepoint products would be. Toys that cost a few hundred bucks/pounds are waaaaaay out of my paygrade!
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 24, 2018 14:41:32 GMT
I made a Star Trek style starship bridge out of cardboard yonks ago for my Action Force figures who suddenly found themselves in space. Gung-Ho in Dress Uniform was captain, but I think Destro overthrew him.
On crowd funding large TFs- I think we're entering dangerous territory. We may get a titan scale Unicon and/or Omega that, although not perfect, would be good enough, fun and impressive looking, and just about affordable, like Devastator, Fort Max and Metropex (and both could be remolded into other things, Primus and that blue Omega that Blueshift loves so much, for example). Crowd funding will stop that. A new Unicron or Omega, although packed with bells and whistles, would suddenly become too expensive for most, and mostly likely so large it would become impracticle (a big flat Sail Barge to dislay 3.75" figs on is fine, but how the piggin' 'eck do you transform a larger than titan scale robot into a planet?!). Larger than titan sale crowd funded TFs would take characters away from most ordinary fans, due to expense and practicality. Titan scale is good enough.
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 24, 2018 14:47:55 GMT
If he turns into a proper sphere (with the rings going pole-to-pole)... -Nick I thought his rings were equatorial. |
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 24, 2018 15:13:16 GMT
I would really hope Omega wouldn't feature in something like this. He fits the WfC vibe perfectly and should be a Titan in that.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 24, 2018 18:39:09 GMT
Shockprowl articulates my thoughts much better.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Feb 24, 2018 19:10:07 GMT
Given planetory physics, rotation, gravity and all that, then Unicron's maw would be at the pole, while his rings would be equatorial, such as a normal planet.
He could use his own spinning to help rip planets apart further, where as if his mouth were on the equator, then he couldn't eat anything because his mouth wouldn't be still. Plus his rings would strike whatever he's approaching and be torn off.
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Post by Toph on Feb 24, 2018 19:12:47 GMT
Assuming you wanted to apply science to Unicron, that is. Unfortunately he's too silly to be decent. Good enough for a one off eighties cartoon movie, but not one of those concepts I'd really want to see used again... repeatedly... over and over for 30 years...
...oh wait.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 24, 2018 21:45:46 GMT
The rings are perpendicular to Unicron's direction of travel.
If he were a planet then they would be pole-to-pole in that sense.
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Post by Toph on Feb 24, 2018 22:23:14 GMT
That would put his mouth on his equator.
As he approaches another planet, his mouth would just keep going around and around. As he try to bite, he just keeps rotating away. And the rings would hit whatever he's approaching.
It doesn't work.
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 24, 2018 22:58:41 GMT
This conversation has taken a direction you don't find elsewhere. When I was about 10 I built a series of cardboard things. One was a large transport ship that transformed in to a bit cat called Snowcat. I realise now it was a rip off of the Gobot transport thing. Its body was made from a shoebox so could hold a lot of Transformers. I also built a large cardboard Ark. which must have been 2-3 foot. I still have Snowcat somewhere, but all thats left of the Ark are the two Teletran computers that went in it.  As for Haslab the cheaper and more likely option is something like Takara did with Legends Grand Max offer a repaint that is too much of a gamble to go through normal retail routes and possibly offer smaller incentives to boost orders. Might also be a way to get things like Botcon boxsets again. Then theres the new mould option, I just cant see that, way to complex or at least way to expensive. The only way I maybe can imagine it working is if they already had a near complete design for say TR Scorponok sat around because thats the one they expected to win that fan vote. That would mean no or at least little prep work and cost, if they get the minimum preorders they produce, if not its not cost them anything. I guess the same would apply to Hound from the Prime vote. And being a smaller figure would make it more affordable. I guess theres a middle ground of modifying existing moulds. For example a Predaking given the Haslab equivilant of Takaras upgrade of CW Devastator. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 24, 2018 23:03:42 GMT
As he approaches another planet, his mouth would just keep going around and around. As he try to bite, he just keeps rotating away. And the rings would hit whatever he's approaching. I'm sorry, this image is making laugh HYSTERICALLY! A cross Unicron trying to take a bite! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 24, 2018 23:12:37 GMT
Shockprowl articulates my thoughts much better. -Ralph You are the jeep to my helicopter, Doc'. Halves of a whole, but double the trouble... *wheeps for wrongly imagined Battletrap...* |
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 24, 2018 23:26:11 GMT
No no no no no!
No!
You say that, and I get the head up the arse transformation image in my mind.
NO!
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Post by Toph on Feb 24, 2018 23:44:34 GMT
This conversation has taken a direction you don't find elsewhere. As he approaches another planet, his mouth would just keep going around and around. As he try to bite, he just keeps rotating away. And the rings would hit whatever he's approaching. I'm sorry, this image is making laugh HYSTERICALLY! A cross Unicron trying to take a bite! We aim to please. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 24, 2018 23:44:38 GMT
As a medical professional I have to say that putting a human head up a human arse is... well... it'd invoke the Major Trauma Triage tool for starters...
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2018 10:14:34 GMT
My head stays on its shoulders!!!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Feb 25, 2018 18:03:21 GMT
That would put his mouth on his equator. As he approaches another planet, his mouth would just keep going around and around. As he try to bite, he just keeps rotating away. And the rings would hit whatever he's approaching. It doesn't work. Only if he is rotating. There is no evidence that Unicron is actually a rotating body - if he isn't rotating then the problem simply goes away. His rings are also solid items physically attached to him, rather than accumulations of orbiting gas and dust. (Like the insane thing at the top of the three space elevators in "Mobile Suit Gundam 00").So there is no particular reason for them to be located in any particular location. There is no particular reason for Unicron to rotate, given that he is propelled by some continual deformation method (probably not an Alberqurie drive, but certainly there is no sign of any Reaction-based method of propulsion) he's already in a position to cheat some popular and important laws of physics. For that matter, there may be a reason for him not to rotate on general principles. I can't recall if the Roche limit shenanigans remain a problem for non-rotating objects. It would be a shame for Unicron to approach a planet to try and take a bite only to get large chunks of him breaking away due to gravitational stresses... Karl |
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Post by Toph on Feb 25, 2018 18:25:15 GMT
Everything in space spins. It's the natural state of things. Planets and stars form spinning.
NASA goes through a great deal of trouble to make sure their stuff doesn't.
It makes more sense that Unicron would not expend the energy to fight the laws of physics when he doesn't have to.
And, if he's not spinning, then he does not have a pole to begin with. So basically, either his mouth is at his pole, or else he doesn't have a pole/equatorial plane.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2018 19:10:19 GMT
If he spins while attacking a planet he may find that an a-pole-ing prospect.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Feb 25, 2018 19:11:31 GMT
If he spins while attacking a planet he may find that an a-pole-ing prospect. -Ralph This is a good point. He would need to attack a planet at its poles due to the spinning, unless he automatically starts spinning around them. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 25, 2018 19:45:13 GMT
Unicron is not a planet. He is not natural. He does not need to spin.
Also spinning or not spinning are both as 'natural' for an object from a physics perspective.
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Post by Toph on Feb 25, 2018 20:06:08 GMT
Everything in space spins. I cannot recall a single celestial object that does not. Therefore, it very much is the natural state of physics as we understand it.
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