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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 18, 2020 17:16:06 GMT
All five dinos as Leaders seems extremely unlikely to me. I know Studio Series hasn't followed the usual size/release format of Generations, they tend to do waves of four with random assortments of size depending on what's needed for the character don't they? but five leaders is a massive investment for a line that doesn't seem to use remoulds/repaints to sustain itself. This Road to the Dinobots is going to be long and miserable. I really don't understand this 'Studio Series' line. Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in.... |
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 18, 2020 17:16:17 GMT
Mwahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 18, 2020 17:16:46 GMT
What are you trying to understand about it?
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 18, 2020 17:20:42 GMT
Is it...
Is it...
Is it like part of WFC? Or a stand alone line? Why don't they release these figures in the main WFC line? WHY IS IT?!
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 18, 2020 17:21:23 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 18, 2020 17:29:00 GMT
Is it... Is it... Is it like part of WFC? Or a stand alone line? Why don't they release these figures in the main WFC line? WHY IS IT?! Who knows. Transformers doesn't have distinct lines anymore. It's all a mish-mash. Don't think too hard about it. -Ralph |
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 18, 2020 17:30:09 GMT
But but but I must understand!
Understand THE NATURE OF THE BEAST!
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 18, 2020 17:36:32 GMT
No no no. We do not talk of the Dinobot creature THE BEAST.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 18, 2020 17:37:02 GMT
Think of it as another Generations line serving up Movie characters.... which it is.
Probably a small one.
With not everyone in it.
And many of the missing characters in WFC
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 18, 2020 17:39:03 GMT
Is it... Is it... Is it like part of WFC? Or a stand alone line? Why don't they release these figures in the main WFC line? WHY IS IT?! Who knows. Transformers doesn't have distinct lines anymore. It's all a mish-mash. Don't think too hard about it. -Ralph It's a little reminiscent of the Reveal The Shield days when there were Generations and Movie toys in the same line. We've been here before. They all say Transformers on the box |
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 18, 2020 17:40:09 GMT
Huh. Ok, ok yeah, that helps. Thanks, Big Phil.
Bloody weird arrangement, init?
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 18, 2020 17:40:19 GMT
They do, Phil. And so did Animorphs, Star Wars TF and Marvel TF.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 18, 2020 18:29:18 GMT
It's really hard to work out why this exists. It could be that the Bayverse characters are becoming exhausted and to keep the line going, Hasbro needed a new idea. It could be that they want to pump out movie figures because Unicron is their big thing this year and leaving the retail figures until after Kingdom doesn't make sense (One wave I could see that being a good reason - Jabba's barge had several associated Vintage series releases when it came out). It could be that Transformers is making money for Hasbro at the moment so they want to milk it with extra lines while they can. It could be that aesthetically the movie figures don't quite match the WfC vibe, so it makes sense to separate them (which is not a good reason given the number of movie figures spread across WfC).
Until we get these things in hand it'll be hard to know if they work with Generations, but then by and large anything in Generations more than two years old doesn't work with Generations, and as said before, there was a massive aesthetic shift between Diaclone and the movie figures in 1986 anyway, so it'll probably work. Probably. I do worry a bit though that while WfC has been very toon oriented in style, these movie figures look ultra-toon with much more smoothing.
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Post by Toph on Oct 18, 2020 18:37:31 GMT
Last time I'll say it because even i recognize I'm beating a dead horse, but this is exactly why movie should have been WfC, and BW should have been Studio.
Although fossilizers wouldn't be a thing if it had played out that way. So if it means losing the best new TFs in decades, screw the damn movie toys. They've all been done before, anyway.
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Post by Toph on Oct 18, 2020 18:40:00 GMT
You know, fossilizers might be why it played out this way, now that I think about it.
They wouldn't work in a line that strictly a G1 sunblowjob, and they wouldn't fit into Studio, either.
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Post by The Huff on Oct 18, 2020 18:47:42 GMT
I'm hoping (as I do every time a TF:The Movie anniversary comes around) the reason is that there will be a special extended version of the film on DVD that has all the 'missing scenes' (like Ultra Magnus, Tracks, Red Alert. etc fighting Bombshell and Devastator/Dirge Vs Optimus etc). animated and added as well as any errors corrected (like Unicron's ring overlapping a building and that stupid blast effect overlay when Starscream is chasing Springer & Arcee).
I live in hope. They did it for Star Wars.
On the other side of the coin, would it have made sense to have the two lines be Movie 86 and a separate Beast Wars only line (CALLED Transformers Beast Wars)? With proper scaly packaging etc.
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 18, 2020 18:55:15 GMT
We were speculating tonight on the Zoom call on how big Studio Series 86 was likely to be. The conclusion we came to was "Not Very". Almost all the likely candidates are being done in Kingdom or have been recently done in Earthrise. We were reduced to more Dinobots - one is already listings leaked - Blaster and Perceptor. I wouldnt rule out CW/UW Devastator possibly with new Mixmaster and other slight animation accurate changes. And I still see a retail Unicron in the future. Especially if the next line is Armada based. |
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Post by Kingoji on Oct 18, 2020 19:12:36 GMT
Is it... Is it... Is it like part of WFC? Or a stand alone line? Why don't they release these figures in the main WFC line? WHY IS IT?! It's really not that complicated. When they stopped having movies to match toylines to, Hasbro started a line of slightly more premium figures for movie fans, the aim of which being to forget gimmicks and focus on simply being the most accurate to screen in terms of scale and design toys they were capable of producing. Since next year is animated movie anniversary year, they decided to refocus this line on that instead. By 22 it will probably return to the live action movies. Since they are restricted in how many figures they can release in a single line in a single year, they have opted to include some of the "overflow" characters in the WFC line. Once out of their boxes, there will be functionally very little that betrays them as coming from seperate lines. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 18, 2020 20:09:41 GMT
Now THAT makes sense!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 18, 2020 20:24:10 GMT
We were speculating tonight on the Zoom call on how big Studio Series 86 was likely to be. The conclusion we came to was "Not Very". Almost all the likely candidates are being done in Kingdom or have been recently done in Earthrise. We were reduced to more Dinobots - one is already listings leaked - Blaster and Perceptor. I wouldnt rule out CW/UW Devastator possibly with new Mixmaster and other slight animation accurate changes. CW Devastator getting an Amazon reissue early next year And I still see a retail Unicron in the future. Especially if the next line is Armada based. I wouldn't be 100% surprised if big Unicron somehow had a more retail orientated release somehow |
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 18, 2020 20:25:33 GMT
I wouldnt rule out CW/UW Devastator possibly with new Mixmaster and other slight animation accurate changes. Noooooooo! I don't want to spend two hundred quid just to get a decent Mixmaster! Shhh! Don't listen to him Takara! |
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Post by The Huff on Oct 18, 2020 20:27:29 GMT
Absolutely. Back in the olden times, my Micromasters and Pretenders came in different style boxes but I still played with them together.
(Although trying to squeeze Stranglehold the human into Detour the car didn't always work out).
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Post by Toph on Oct 18, 2020 21:01:51 GMT
The big problem with G1 in Studio Series is that in so many ways, it doesn't work. And Masterpiece is a good example of why.
Studio Series is about being screen accurate. The problem is Sunbow was all over the place. The character models weren't meant to be as undetailed as they usually were. It was usually done to make them simpler, quicker, and cheaper to animate. When we get close ups, they're usually better detailed.
And for a cartoon, this approach is fine.
But when they decide to make screen accurate toys, MP has to do a lot of cheating to make them show accurate. And the result is a very bland, blocky, and undetailed super expensive toy that catches the look, but misses the spirit.
And the end result cut out about half their market. But it has it's fans, and that's fine. It's
Enter Studio Series, a line dedicated to screen accuracy, which has so far focused exclusively on the hyper detailed movie designs. In theory, the line could be encompass all TF fiction, while sticking to this principle.
But Sunbow designs are the exact opposite of the bayverse designs.
I mean it's a hell of a visual leap going from RotF Devastator to Sunbow Devastator. And it's one that isn't going to win many fans.
If you stay as screen accurate with G1 Dev as you did with RotF Dev, not many people will want to spend that kind of money on something with no visual detail. If you start adding visual interest to make it more appealing to a wider audience, then you get away from the central gimmick of the line, which also turns people off.
And we're already seeing people complaining both that the 86 toys are too detailed, and not detailed enough.
G1 guys in Studio have to walk a wire that I'm not sure they can. This is a balance that toys based on no other TF media would need to achieve.
I think both Sunbow and Marvel accurate designs are better served in RED.
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Post by Kingoji on Oct 18, 2020 21:32:15 GMT
Absolutely. Back in the olden times, my Micromasters and Pretenders came in different style boxes but I still played with them together. (Although trying to squeeze Stranglehold the human into Detour the car didn't always work out). You had Stranglehold? Jelly. |
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Post by Kingoji on Oct 18, 2020 21:42:43 GMT
I think the key part of my description was "as accurate as they were capable of". Sure there are minor inconsistencies in the animated movie's designs, but minor is all they are. All hasbro need to do is look at the most-used versions and base them on that, and even then a 1-1 recreation is impossible, which is not only fine but to be expected. None of the SS live action guys are perfect 1-1 representations either. Heck, neither are the Masterpieces. It's just about aiming for the best they can currently do. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 18, 2020 21:46:58 GMT
Kapow have sold through on the Voyagers!
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 18, 2020 22:41:37 GMT
But these are retail figures not out til February! What the hell is happening with this fucking toy range!
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Post by Dezzeh on Oct 19, 2020 6:24:55 GMT
I haven’t ordered any myself, just don’t see the point.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 19, 2020 8:18:34 GMT
But these are retail figures not out til February! What the hell is happening with this fucking toy range! 'Marketing strategy'. When consumers are trained that a line sells out very quickly they'll get orders in early due to fear of missing out. Alternatively, stores have sold their initial allocation but can order more from Hasbro UK for general retail items (I presume) so more will be available in due course. -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 24, 2020 20:21:57 GMT
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