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Post by grahamthomson on Sept 24, 2009 10:25:23 GMT
IDW should let McCarthy do a Sunbow-universe "Evolutions" mini-series that bridges the gap between season 2 and TFTM and be done with it.
In fact, I would probably buy that!
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Sept 24, 2009 11:47:10 GMT
A better question is would it have been so well recieved by parts of the fandom if the art wasn't as amazing Oh hell no. EDIT: In fact, I distinctly remember #9 (which had a fill-in) getting a lot more grumbling than the usual issues. |
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Post by bertie on Sept 24, 2009 12:23:54 GMT
So Spotlight: Drift and all of AHM have been no where near as good as AHM: 15?
That's a shame. The Perceptor was story wasn't too bad. I agree with the comments about the Kup story.
Elliott.
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Post by karla on Sept 28, 2009 11:16:30 GMT
ew. I've just read volume 2. of the trade. I don't like it. I don't like how prime suddenly gets better. I don't like how drift is everywhere and nowhere, or why he matters so much. I would prefer sandstorm to drift. When are the insecticons going to revolt?  theres too much guess work with the story, does every line have a deeper or different meaning? why doesn't shane just tell us whats going on  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2009 12:08:04 GMT
ew. I've just read volume 2. of the trade. I don't like it. I don't like how prime suddenly gets better. I don't like how drift is everywhere and nowhere, or why he matters so much. I would prefer sandstorm to drift. When are the insecticons going to revolt? theres too much guess work with the story, does every line have a deeper or different meaning? why doesn't shane just tell us whats going on I just got the TPB on saturday, I have to agree, I liked the sunstreaker story, and Omega's lines Prowl: How did you escape? Omega: I AM OMEGA SUPREME! I don't like Drift too much (Shane's OC annoys me  ) The insecticons did revolt with Starscream |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 28, 2009 13:51:19 GMT
I really didn't like the Sunstreaker / Omega bits, mostly because they both completely contradicted everything about the two characters that had gone before in IDW continuity. And not little things, they were quite fundamental aspects. And it isn't like there are hundreds of IDW comics, you could read the entire run in an afternoon quite easily.
Maybe it is better if you came to it fresh, I dunno.
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Post by karla on Sept 28, 2009 14:52:12 GMT
yeah, the sunstreaker bit.....hmmmmmm......does not compute! lol not the insecticons with starscream, thats mutiny, all they were trying was to get rid of megatron and that worked sooooooo well but by themselves, you know, bugger off from this strange story line |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2009 14:55:25 GMT
I'm reading this story as a slight variant universe, so sunstreaker going all genocide=good is what happened if he reacted to the headmaster process badly, compared to the real universe, or the omega being huge(er) is how he looked in this universe, compared to the main IDW-verse
I'm very forgiving in this case lol
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 29, 2009 18:55:18 GMT
This arrived very promptly from the fine Mr Bax today.
I LOVE IT
It may have escaped your notice, fellow Hubbites, old and new, that I'm a bit of a Prowl fan. Now clearly, young Martin is a Prowl fan, as I trust many many other Hubbites (if not all, why wouldn't you be?) are Prowl fans. But what I bring to the Prowl-fan table, is pure, some times violent, obsesivesnessness.
So when I say that this is the BEST Prowl story I have EVER read, hopefully you will appreciate the enormity of the sentiment!
THIS IS THE BEST PROWL STORY I HAVE EVER READ!!!!!
Karlos and Martin have hit the nail on the head, this is how Prowl's always meant to have been writen. Infiltration did a good job with him, but this is spot on. He wants to do what's best, and take none of the credit- but what Roche does is cleverly reflect on the dark times that the Autobots are going through at the mo, as he adds a cold, even ruthless streak to Prowl's calculating thoughts. Prowl isn't afraid to do what has to be done for the greater good. I've always loved the similarity between my two favourate characters of Prowl and Shockwave, and their perspectives of logic. This story showed just how close to Shockwave's colder logic Prowl can get. It's as though Roche has reached into my brain and told a Prowl story exactly how I'd like it to be told. If there was anything that could save my failing interest in IDW current plot arch it is this 'Spotlight: Prowl'. I freakin' loved it. Can't wait to see how Prowl and Kup develop, and just imagine what Springer, Prime or Kup will think/do if the truth were to ever come out.
I'm not gunna go on about how brilliant the art was, we all know Nick Roche can draw good, but I'm convinced his writing is even better than his art. Spotlight: Kup was good, but this episode of AHM was even better- I'd love to see Roche put in charge of writing a long, epic plot arch. Let him at it!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 29, 2009 19:18:28 GMT
Can't wait to see how Prowl and Kup develop, and just imagine what Springer, Prime or Kup will think/do if the truth were to ever come out. Dunno about Prime, but Springer would be screwed as he would have to admit to Kup that he helped cover up the fact that Kup had killed all those Autobots sent to save him, and Kup would probably kill himself because he killed all those Autobots. They might both kill Prowl first, but they'd both be equally finished. My preference would be for everything to work out as Prowl intends, then after the Autobots have won using his strategy, Prime finds out the truth and banishes him for not playing a straight bat. He should be proved right but punished for the principle of the thing (in line with Optimus Prime's principles, that is). Prowl wouldn't mind, because he'd have gotten what he was after - namely an Autobot victory through sound strategy - and he'd probably understand that he had to be made an example of rather than rewarded, since he doesn't want his plot to set a precedent for other Autobot wildcards to follow. Martin |
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Post by dinogrrl on Sept 30, 2009 4:27:40 GMT
That would be a nice way of playing it out, but perhaps too nice and pat. I see this ending in a spectacular failure, not because Prowl cocks up, but because people behave illogically/outside his reckoning (like, say, Snipeceptor) and screw it up for him. It would be a rather ugly fallout and perhaps will occur within the Last Stand of the Wreckers storyline.
Either way, we know it will be a fun read to see what Nick does with it.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 30, 2009 7:58:10 GMT
That would be a nice way of playing it out, but perhaps too nice and pat. I see this ending in a spectacular failure, not because Prowl cocks up, but because people behave illogically/outside his reckoning (like, say, Snipeceptor) and screw it up for him. Yeah, but that's been done a number of times before in TFs, right back to Shockwave in the early Marvel days, always having his plot foiled because he reckoned without those who behaved illogically - from 'Prime Time' right up to 'Aspects of Evil: Shockwave'. Prowl knows that people behave irrationally, and that there are unpredictables in every plan, and can compensate for it through analysis of behavioural statistics based on experience. If he fails because of irrational players, it's just the same old story that has been told numerous times before, with loose cannons who have contempt for organised action being glamorised and dictating the course of events. Anarchy beats co-ordination. The message that sends is that everyone should do what they think is right from their limited point of view and not support any attempts at joined-up, unified strategy. But that's really the author's call - they may think it makes for better reader enjoyment just to have authority figures always fail as a point of principle, and they may be right. But it's a tough break for any character with strategist in their job title. Martin PS Who's Snipeceptor? |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 30, 2009 9:53:15 GMT
I actually hope Prowl isn't 'punished'. That's a bit of a cliche.
Snipeceptor is Perceptor. He got shot and so now SHOOTS THINGS HIMSELF. Because he is BADASS.
Sigh.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 30, 2009 19:00:51 GMT
Yeah, the Perceptor episode was poor. Very poor. I coulda come up wi sumat better than that!
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Post by dinogrrl on Oct 1, 2009 0:49:40 GMT
My cats could shit out something better. Those two stories were written as if there were absolutely no correspondence between the two authors, given how much they clash characterisation-wise. Nick gave Perceptor more character in three pissy panels than Denton did in all 11 pages. They could have co-ordinated the two stories, and perhaps brought in the whole Prowl-controlling-Kup angle into Perceptor's decision to go Rambo, but then that would have required the second story to actually provide thoughtful insight into Perceptor's mind, rather than the superficial bollocks that was served up. In any case, this cartoon by prisonsuit_rabbitman on dA was fun:  |
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Post by blueshift on Oct 1, 2009 7:41:39 GMT
To be fair, none of the other stories have been linked so far. I'm viewing it as a series of 8 shorts rather than 4 issues of 2 linked stories each.
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Post by karla on Oct 1, 2009 9:38:31 GMT
I haven't read any of them yet and all i'm getting from this thread is anger and PROWL!! yes |
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Post by karla on Oct 1, 2009 9:41:00 GMT
oh, I thought sunstreaker was being controlled all the way! but then again i'm not very good at analysing comics XD
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 1, 2009 9:54:15 GMT
PROWL is the coolest.
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 1, 2009 9:55:40 GMT
My cats could shit out something better. They could have co-ordinated the two stories, and perhaps brought in the whole Prowl-controlling-Kup angle into Perceptor's decision to go Rambo... HAAAAAAAA!!!!! Making Prowl's activities part of Perceptor change would have been much much better. |
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Oct 1, 2009 11:06:58 GMT
Those two stories were written as if there were absolutely no correspondence between the two authors There was no correspondence between Furman and McCarthy, you think there'd be any here? This gets worse when you remember Denton is ASSOCIATE EDITOR ON THIS VERY COMIC and should know what Roche has written... |
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Post by dinogrrl on Oct 2, 2009 3:17:08 GMT
To be fair, none of the other stories have been linked so far. I'm viewing it as a series of 8 shorts rather than 4 issues of 2 linked stories each. This is certainly true, however in none of the other issues were the character sets so overlapping either. In these two stories I think they could have knocked the entire issue out of the ballpark if they had worked together to give some coherency to the depictions of the same characters, rather than just rocking on half of it. It would have greatly benefited Denton's piece, that's for sure. |
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Post by Mark_Stevenson on Oct 11, 2009 0:24:48 GMT
Seriously - just how good is Wreckers going to be?
Mx
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Post by dinogrrl on Oct 11, 2009 3:27:44 GMT
www.bzzurkk.com/2009/10/transformers-all-hail-megatron-16-preview/*sigh* You know, I'm not usually annoyed by random T&A, but this just irritated the ever-loving crap out of me. We have enough of that in the Bayformer Universe. It better be tongue in cheek, because if they're really trying to play Witwicky as a super awesome action hero human for the new ongoing, I'm extra glad I'm not pre-ordering it. I sorely hope that Bumblebee story is better.
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Post by Kingoji on Oct 11, 2009 7:48:10 GMT
Dille and Shin? Oooooh, I see what they did there!  When will they stop trying to be clever with this things and remember the entertainment... |
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Oct 11, 2009 14:38:14 GMT
Four pages out of eleven of a guy in a bed.
Woooo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 19:38:55 GMT
Where is that hospital? I want to be visited by those three nurses!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 12:27:30 GMT
See hospitals really are better when you go private! Presumably Spike's encounter with Ravage will be in flashback because he won't be able to do much with his whole body in plaster. I like that Bumblebee cover.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 16:02:15 GMT
Usually, tough guy action heroes do something to attain the status, not a guy in a body cast. It would have been better to open with something cooler than cheesecake. When was Simon Furman placed aside from regular continuity?
Out of curiosity, how long does IDW's license with Hasbro last?
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 12, 2009 18:05:44 GMT
Spike story looks duller than dish water. You know the entire story before you read it. Big step back from last issue.
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