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Post by Stomski on May 17, 2013 8:25:40 GMT
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Post by Stomski on May 17, 2013 8:30:55 GMT
Actually, Vector Prime is supossed to be based directly on the Sith Infiltrator that the vastly overrated Darth Maul flew is Star Wars I.  |
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Post by legios on May 19, 2013 16:59:31 GMT
Actually, Vector Prime is supossed to be based directly on the Sith Infiltrator that the vastly overrated Darth Maul flew is Star Wars I. Saw the new movie today. Anyone who enjoyed the first will enjoy this. Anyone who hated the first, will hate this. I'd have to hold my hand up as severely disliking the preceeding film but I thought that on the level of being a generic lazors-in-space movie "Walk to the fuse-box" was reasonably watchable. I did think that it became derailed each time it stopped to pay homage to the preceeding version of Star Trek, but whenever it was doing its "spacemen fight bad men with their lazor-guns" schtick it was reasonably entertaining. I don't think it has much in common with the original Star Trek or its successors, but it was a decent enough tosh action flick. Karl |
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Post by Stomski on May 20, 2013 8:34:01 GMT
Oh jesus... Just watched Reunion from TNG.
GOWRON'S EYES. THEY BORE INTO MY SOUL.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 20, 2013 10:06:55 GMT
Oh jesus... Just watched Reunion from TNG. GOWRON'S EYES. THEY BORE INTO MY SOUL. Get used to them. Old popeye is around for a bit |
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Post by The Doctor on May 20, 2013 12:39:06 GMT
He does have an amazing stare. This was especially disturbing in the old vhs board game.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 20, 2013 13:13:03 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on May 20, 2013 20:30:09 GMT
YOU! THE ONE WHO IS MOVING NOW!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 20, 2013 20:33:25 GMT
Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
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Post by The Doctor on May 20, 2013 20:34:55 GMT
EXPERIENCE BEJ!
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on May 21, 2013 19:27:27 GMT
Oh goddess, I forgot about the VHS game... that was a hoot and a holler to play.
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Post by The Doctor on May 21, 2013 20:49:50 GMT
It was. Had heavy rotation in the Burns household as we battled in vain not to be blown up by some stock footage from 'Cause and Effect'.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on May 22, 2013 0:23:29 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on May 22, 2013 7:15:45 GMT
Oh yes it's a very stupid movie and creatively bankrupt. Yet I still enjoyed the daftness of it.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on May 22, 2013 17:58:18 GMT
Well yeah. If you write up *anything* when you have that much bias against it, and in such a way to make it look as bad and stupid as possible, you're going to even make any movie sound like it's completely moronic. I'm not insulted on the movie's behalf, or anything but that faq is one of the stupidest things I've read in a long time. |
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Post by The Doctor on May 22, 2013 18:31:21 GMT
It's intended as humour. It's not meant to be taken seriously.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on May 22, 2013 18:36:34 GMT
Gotta say that is an amazingly biased account, yes many of the bits are daft, but no more so than many other versions of Trek. (I do agree with the section towards the end after old Spock appears, but thats one misstep). The transporter issues are more or less explained, travelling to Kronos makes sense (aside from transwarp being a technological leap to far) in that he wouldnt expect Starfleet to go there. The film is big and often dumb but its only real mistake is trying way way to hard to pay homage or share a knowing wink with old fans. It would have been much better if it had dared to be original, buts its still a fun film that will keep me entertained till they put Trek back on TV (preferably with Abrahm or gangs involvement) {Spoiler}the bit that most annoys me is the bitching about Harrisons casting. Okay hes not indian or mexican, but he is meant to be genetically modified, his name and ancestry can easily have even less bearing on his appearance than the average person. The character has been recast so has every other character in the film, it doesnt change the character, just the actor. |
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Post by Toph on May 23, 2013 1:33:57 GMT
I defer to my earlier post about wanting a Star Trek: Excelsior tv series set in this timeline, thank you.
And yeah, I get that that "review" is intended to be humor. But it's written with such bias against it and intended to make it look as stupid as possible that the humor is only funny if you hated the movie as much as that guy did.
It's not a review to take any sort of judgement of what the movie is really like if you haven't seen it, as the earlier "This confirms my fears" comment seemed to.
Jurassic Park isn't a terribly intellegent movie. Writing it that way I could make it sound equally as bad. But that doesn't mean it isn't an increadibly fun movie. ID4L: Independence Day has one of the stupidist plots ever, with extremely sketchy science. Worse than both the Abhrams Trek movies combined. But that doesn't for a second make it less enjoyable.
The real humor in that faq is in how bad the review is. it comes across to me that the reviewer is full of himself.
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Post by The Doctor on May 23, 2013 7:12:52 GMT
A review is always just somebody else's opinions. Nowt to get wound up on, especially it it was free to read.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on May 23, 2013 19:26:08 GMT
Just seen 'Into Darkness', and I absolutely loved it! Really enjoyed it! {Spoiler}I thought they pushed the duality with Wrath of Khan to the absolute limited, and possibly a bit beyond, but I found it just about ok. Spock's "Khan!!!!" was maybe a tad too far. I thoroughly enjoyed the reimagined Khan character, despite the fact that the actor, although very good in the role, seemed a bit too young. I think the main reason I liked it was the interaction between Kirk and Spock. It was done very well, and I felt the friendship build between them. The chemistry of Kirk and Spock is pivotal to Classic Star Trek, and they did a good job finding it in this story. I think to make it 'perfect', they'd have to have toned down the duplicity with Wrath, probadly by a large degree to be honest, but generally they pulled it off. And I enjoyed it very much. |
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Post by The Doctor on May 24, 2013 7:16:59 GMT
Oh man, now that we know that the Bold New Vision of New Star Trek is just to remake old stuff, maybe the next film can be a remake of The Savage Curtain and we can get Abraham Lincoln in space again (played by Daniel Day Lewis, wicked sweet!) but this time he can fight Bin Laden instead of Genghis Khan. OMZG!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 24, 2013 7:42:29 GMT
Stoked!!
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Post by legios on May 24, 2013 15:22:30 GMT
Or they could have an encounter with a giant planet-eating spacecraft that was built by another species as a weapon of mass destruction and is now on a course directly for Earth, and after learning a lesson in responsibility from another Captain who sacrifices himself trying ( unsuccessfully) to destroy the planet-eater Kirk stops it seconds from The Earth!
Karl
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 24, 2013 16:16:11 GMT
I'm sure it'll be Spock who stops it next time. For variety.
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Post by The Doctor on May 25, 2013 22:00:36 GMT
I am also still waiting for the exciting continuity patch which explains that Admiral Robocop was the grandson of the Terra Prime Foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr bloke from Enterprise!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 26, 2013 13:44:58 GMT
As long as The Magic Space Gun from those episodes is referenced I'll accept it!
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Post by Toph on May 26, 2013 19:25:29 GMT
Was thinking, and even the same basic plots of 1 and 2 would work a lot better with even just some slight alterations.
Crossing mass distances in seeming meer moments would worl a lot better with some captains log narrations, just to say that days had passed, the crew is tense, ect. I understand that in a 2 hour movie they don't have the time they would in a TV show to show everyone standing around talking and go into character sub plots while the enterprise is in transit.
Also, the entire Beeming from earth to kronos was a bit over the top. I accepted it in Trek 1 because I mostly assumed the enterprise was still relatively close enough even for a super transport. In Trek 2, if they had even mentioned that he had transwarp transported himself to a ship hidden outside of earth's orbit, then left to Kronos... that would be a lot more credible.
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Post by The Doctor on May 27, 2013 17:39:20 GMT
RE: Into Darkness.
If this is a universe in which people can beam across whole star systems (ie from Earth to Kronos), why do they need starships? The whole Star Trek fiction of Starfleet, etc now makes literally no sense. No need for ships if anything can be beamed vast distances.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on May 27, 2013 17:49:23 GMT
RE: Into Darkness. If this is a universe in which people can beam across whole star systems (ie from Earth to Kronos), why do they need starships? The whole Star Trek fiction of Starfleet, etc now makes literally no sense. No need for ships if anything can be beamed vast distances. -Ralph Does that mean they can just beam bombs straight onto Kronos? |
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Post by legios on May 27, 2013 18:07:26 GMT
Unless you invoke some contrived nonsense out of the air by which things that go boom can't be teleported then, yes. The ability to accurately teleport objects accurately over inter-system distances does break the setting if you apply logic to it. You can put a bomb under the Klingon Presidents breakfast table at breakfast time, or teleport a squad of marines into his office to steal his lunch money unimpeded. New Star Trek isn't too worried about the implications of its technology though, so they didn't think any further than it being a convenient way to move Sherlock elsewhere so the story could proceed.
It is like Next Gen/DS9 replicators. Once that technology exists it makes anyone who possesses it a Post-scarcity culture, who no longer need to go places to fund resources. So you have to make-up vital things that it can't make so you can have old-style prospecting/resource war stories ( not to mention an economy, which becomes irrelevant in a post-scarcity society).
(Star Trek is full of society/universe changing technologies that never seem to get carried to their logical conclusion. Some versions are better at coming up with excuses for it than others though)
Karl
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