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Post by The Doctor on Nov 8, 2021 17:40:54 GMT
If only there was some other way you could see The Doomsday Machine.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 8, 2021 19:13:27 GMT
Looks At Shelf Behind Him....
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 8, 2021 22:15:26 GMT
Watched 'Generations' on thingy player the other evening.
Not a bad film really. It's got its faults, but generally speaking it's alright. I like Picard and Kirk working together.
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Post by Toph on Nov 9, 2021 1:26:18 GMT
My biggest complaint is that apparently the internal lighting system on the Enterprise broke.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 9, 2021 8:45:36 GMT
It what happens when your sets are designed for 4:3 SD telly rather than 16:9 35mm on a big screen and you haven't the money to redo them from scratch.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Nov 9, 2021 11:15:56 GMT
I said before the TNG movies were in aa bad place in the franchise, with Generations being in an impossible one.
As they didn't destroy the D in the series finalé, they had to work with the existing designs.
We'd last seen this stuff just months prior. At the same time DS9 was running, and both shows pumped out special effects that were on par with the TOS movies.
TMP and following movies picked up a story that we hadn't seen in ten years, from a show with no budget and very poor special effects.
And even when TNG began, they were in a different time, with different characters. So the TOS movies were still offering something different.
But the TNG movies had DS9. Anything they did different needed to be reflected in the current TV series (Voyager being separated from Starfleet removed it from the equation, mostly), which then removed anything unique from the movies.
On top of that, the writer burnout didn't help.
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 10, 2021 17:22:03 GMT
Generations was a necessary film. Kirk and Picard had to meet, and what better place than on the big screen. It was an adequate handover film. First Contact I thought was superb. TNG gone BIG! But then... Then it really went off the boil...
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Post by Jim on Nov 16, 2021 16:56:26 GMT
Finished season 4 of Voyager on my watch-through. Blimey, that's a good season! Admittedly a couple of duds and noble failures, but some really high highs.
Seven is amazing, one of the most relatable characters I've seen in Trek. I feel sorry for Lien, but Seven has so much more going for her than Kes.
It also continues to do a good job on the two-parters, both of them this season were fun. Can't complain at seeing Klingons take down Nazis in occupied France!
I've massively warmed to this show, and it's great to see it getting some love across all of the current and upcoming series.
(and given the timeline for Living Witness, surely there's an opportunity for a backup Doctor appearance in Disco!)
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 16, 2021 17:15:00 GMT
This Week On Council TV:
TOS: Wolf in the Fold, The Trouble with Tribbles, The Gamesters of Triskelion, A Piece of the Action & The Immunity Syndrome
Voyager: Barge of the Dead, Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy, Alice, Riddles & Dragon's Teeth
Might have bought the Voyager boxset....
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 16, 2021 17:28:41 GMT
Good. Your sacrifice means an HD release will be announced any minute now.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Nov 16, 2021 18:41:54 GMT
Two things that surprises me-
When they were doing the HD enhanced TOS, I'm surprised they didn't do a DS9 cut for fun, that edits in the DS9 characters in the background
And I'm also surprised that by now they haven't done a special Ultimate Tribbles cut that edits both episodes together.
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 18, 2021 17:38:23 GMT
FIRST CONTACT is the BEST Star Trek film.
The Next Gen gone large. Great villains, great acting, decent plot generally speaking (good time travel story instead of shit time travel story). It's superb.
I wish Crusher had more to do. A rewrite of the "Blow up the damn ship" scene with Crusher doing some or all of Lilly's arguing with Picard would've worked and been a huge scene between the two characters. But I do really like Lilly.
Wrath, Search, Voyage and Undiscovered, even Motion, take a lot to beat- but I really do love First Contact.
Piggin' 25 years old though!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 18, 2021 18:53:36 GMT
I agree with your overall view of the film, SP, but not about downsizing Lily's role. Much as I love the TNG cast, what made this film stand out was the three main guest stars, who only Patrick Stewart equalled in terms of screen presence.
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 18, 2021 19:18:09 GMT
You're not wrong, Grand Moff. The three guest stars were magnificent (oft Star Trek has great guest stars as we know). But Crusher doesn't have much to do at all, and there's not much character development-wise for the main cast, bar Picard and Data (Wolf has cool moments, but no real character development). Crusher challenging Picard about his perception of the Borg would have been a stunning moment between them (especially as they rescued him, but Picard was, arguably, a bit cold in his zapping of his own assimilated crew members), and given some more main cast development. In a way, it's surprising it -didn't- happen. TV series Crusher would've had a go.
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 19, 2021 0:01:14 GMT
"You want to destroy the ship and run away; you coward."
"Jean-Luc!"
"If you were any other man I would kill you where you stand!"
-best Star Trek moment ever.
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 19, 2021 0:04:48 GMT
And *I* will make them pay for what they've done!"
He's a bloody good actor, Patrick Stewart.
(I'm watching it again. Third time in three days.)
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 19, 2021 8:36:37 GMT
I think you will find that the campfire scene in The Final Frontier is the best Star Trek moment ever.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Nov 19, 2021 12:21:17 GMT
I would respectfully disagree only because the entirety of The Voyage Home exists and is filled to the brim with the most memorable moments.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 22, 2021 16:46:14 GMT
This Week On Council TV:
TOS: A Private Little War, Return to Tomorrow, Patterns of Force, By Any Other Name & The Omega Glory
Voyager: One Small Step, The Voyager Conspiracy, Pathfinder, Fair Haven & Blink of an Eye
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Post by Benn on Nov 22, 2021 17:46:54 GMT
Watched a bit of Insurrection last night.
It's not great, is it?
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Post by Toph on Nov 22, 2021 18:31:05 GMT
It's an okay two-part episode, but not as a major motion picture.
It's competent enough to not be terrible, but not good enough to be interesting. So, it's just boring.
And if it were a two-part episode, it wouldn't be one of the memorable ones. It'd sit beside Gambit.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 22, 2021 19:04:08 GMT
Best of the TNG movies.
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Nov 23, 2021 18:52:49 GMT
Remind me to never watch the others then.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 23, 2021 19:16:54 GMT
The TNG movies have their good points, but none approach the majesty of the TOS films.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 23, 2021 19:29:33 GMT
The TNG movies have their good points, but none approach the majesty of the TOS films. -Ralph Yes generally I agree with this. The obvious exception being the FANTASTIC First Contact. Insurrection's on now is it? On the ol' ipay jobby? Hmmmm, I don't remember it being that good. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 30, 2021 18:22:39 GMT
This week on Council Trek:
TOS: The Ultimate Computer, Bread and Circuses, Assignment: Earth, Spock's Brain & The Enterprise Incident
Voyager: Virtuoso, Memorial, Tsunkatse, Collective & Spirit Folk
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 30, 2021 19:03:26 GMT
I watched Insurrection the other night, and you know what?
This is good Trek! Damn good Trek! Very enjoyable indeed!
But... it really does seem like an episode, not a MOVIE. Not like First Contact. It was a kinda step back.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 30, 2021 20:12:44 GMT
Insurrection is very quotable.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Nov 30, 2021 20:32:56 GMT
"And have you noticed that your boobs have gotten firmer?" -Lt Cmdr Data
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 30, 2021 22:21:23 GMT
"Soft as an android's bottom!"
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