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Post by Jim on Feb 17, 2022 13:59:51 GMT
Its possibly a failure of my imagination that I never even considered that they wouldnt get home during the run, but I didn't, which makes the finale a damp squib even if its probably a better story than I give it credit for. I know what you mean. I always assumed they would back in the day (and obviously knew they did, even if I didn't watch it), but I do wonder if a Quantum Leap-style ending would have been more interesting - to defeat the Borg they end up further away than ever, in another galaxy even. That said, the characters are all so likable it's hard not to root for them making it home safe and happy! |
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Post by KnightBeat on Mar 12, 2022 23:10:56 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 13, 2022 22:20:04 GMT
Its possibly a failure of my imagination that I never even considered that they wouldnt get home during the run, but I didn't, which makes the finale a damp squib even if its probably a better story than I give it credit for. I know what you mean. I always assumed they would back in the day (and obviously knew they did, even if I didn't watch it), but I do wonder if a Quantum Leap-style ending would have been more interesting - to defeat the Borg they end up further away than ever, in another galaxy even. That said, the characters are all so likable it's hard not to root for them making it home safe and happy! To be honest Im not sure I even thought about a Quantum Leap style ending, but yeah that would have been.... I wanna say great, but honestly if the rest of the show was unchanged, Im not sure. But then thats exactly why it was so shocking on QL. |
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 13, 2022 22:54:46 GMT
I stumbled across a bookmark from a couple of years back for a Voyager rewatch and review thing that I was following briefly. Not sure if I found out about it on here on elsewhere. www.tor.com/series/star-trek-voyager-rewatch/So having found the bookmark I went and had a look at it and had to check out the review for Tuvix. Because as much as I hate it, its clearly one of the more interesting episodes of Voyager and trek generally. The review really sums up my opinion of it and the comments are legitimately interesting too. Its simultaneously the absolute best and worst of Voyager in one shot. Everything that happens is great, properly thought provoking television, but then it just ends. Sure its wrapped up the event, but it hasnt addressed the emotional impact. It acts like there would be no consequences. On DS9 this would be something that might get picked up in the next episode or down the line. Voyagers not going to do that, I get that, so they needed to make time for it in that episode. And they didn't. As Janeway walks out of sickbay realising she is a cold blooded killer (or not) instead of credits I want them to cut to not Ten Forward where groups are sat around tables clearly taking in what has just happened. Harry or someway is talking to .. Tom Paris I guess, he's haunted by the memory or Tuvix pleading for his life and unable to cope with not having said something. Then Janeway enters and silence. No one can make eye contact with her. She tries speaking to someone but its clear they dont want or cant talk to her so she silently gets her coffe and leaves realising that she has lost the trust of at least some of the crew and she has no way to fix it. Until the next episode. Or not, maybe they just cut to the bridge where someone make a joke about Tuvix bad fahion sense and the episode ends with them all laughing heartily, because the are all monsters who completely unaffected by what has just happened. I almost dont care what type of reaction they showed, but they had to show something. In a lot of ways its the same issue as the final episode. I dont care about seeing them get home (as said Id taken that as a given) I want to know what happens when the get home. I want to see the crew get back together, maybe after all having a few months leave while Voyager is refitted. See Janeway get her promotion find out who will be remaining on Voyager, who is leaving. Who else got promoted. After seven years the destination shouldnt be the important bit. |
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Post by Toph on Mar 13, 2022 23:00:49 GMT
I don't think that kind of open ended ending would work well, because Stargate Universe is a very good example (the rest is spoilered for those who haven't seen it but are planning to)
SGU is basically the same show as Voyager. Crew trapped on a ship impossibly far from home, writing sometimes good, sometimes not. Characters are hit and miss (and for different people).
Big difference is Voyager ended with everyone getting back home, and wraps it all up with a nice little finality that allows the characters to be used in the future, while not having to resolve anything in future shows.
SGU was cancelled, which forced the writers to wrap things up really quickly. Like, they were filming the season finale when they found out (or were about to), forcing them to revise the ending.
What they ended up with was a fairly optimistic and artistically beautiful ending, with the crew being forced into stasis, while the ship continues to go further away from Earth.
But it really wasn't narratively satisfying at all.
And if we ever return to this universe at a future date (as opposed to a reboot), this is just going to continue to be a big weight, but would be very awkward to try to resolve.
I'm sure if Voyager had a similar kind of ending, this would be a massive weight over all modern Trek shows. Though at least Disco S3 offers a less awkward way out.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 13, 2022 9:36:01 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 13, 2022 11:46:37 GMT
Was anything ever done with Deep Space Nine? It ended with Sissko stuck in some other dimension, did it? Was that ever resolved?
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 13, 2022 12:00:15 GMT
Was anything ever done with Deep Space Nine? It ended with Sissko stuck in some other dimension, did it? Was that ever resolved? That was the ending. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Apr 13, 2022 12:56:03 GMT
They've been in talks with Avery Brooks to bring Sisko back, but nothing concrete yet, and they said they don't know what they want to do with him if they did (meaning roll him into an existing show, or give him his own).
It's also been a while since they announced this, and I've not heard anything about it since.
But they've also said they currently have as many shows as they want to deal with, and won't add any more until an existing show has run it's course. But that was also a while ago, too.
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 13, 2022 14:18:23 GMT
I was saying a few weeks back that what they really need right now is an anthology show. I'd go animated Lower Decks style. Theres so many areas that dont need a full series but have stories to tell or would just be fun to see. Sisko is a perfect example, his story is done, but he did sound like someone who planned ot come back eventually. A one of story would be fine.
then some Capt Sulu episodes. Some Enterprise C. The Evacuation of Romulus (still think this may happen in Lower Decks if it runs long enough). O'Brien at Star Fleet Academy. A DS9 follow up (maybe focussing on Jake). Voyager backup EMH (still hoping for a Disco appearance there).
Basically most characters could have a prequel or sequel if the original actor is still alive and wants to participate.
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Post by Toph on Apr 13, 2022 14:55:10 GMT
Sequel if they are and do, prequel if they aren't or don't.
You know, if Ray Walston were still alive, such an anthology series would really work with Boothby at it's center.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 27, 2022 16:19:40 GMT
TNG on Council TV
The line "A very passionate kiss in the torpedo bay" was uttered
I lost it for a good few minutes
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 27, 2022 19:15:49 GMT
Philip, really.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 1, 2022 13:45:09 GMT
I have some tedious computer stuff to do this afternoon.
I am going to put Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (4pm, Film4) on in the background.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on May 1, 2022 13:47:10 GMT
THE BEST FILM.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 1, 2022 16:56:17 GMT
I think it might be the film with the best orchestral score.
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on May 1, 2022 17:15:34 GMT
It was a great, and very touching, final scene.
Row, row, row your boat...
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Post by The Doctor on May 1, 2022 20:45:14 GMT
I think it might be the film with the best orchestral score. Martin I recommend the 2 disc expanded score soundtrack edition. -Ralph |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 21, 2022 12:27:33 GMT
Star Trek VI was on Film Four yesterday - had to watch it. Still a cracking film. In hindsight having Kirk back in Generations was a bad idea. This should have been how it ended for the TOS cast.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 21, 2022 12:43:30 GMT
Star Trek IV was on Film Four yesterday - had to watch it. Still a cracking film. In hindsight having Kirk back in Generations was a bad idea. This should have been how it ended for the TOS cast. IV or VI? Martin |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 21, 2022 12:47:16 GMT
Star Trek IV was on Film Four yesterday - had to watch it. Still a cracking film. In hindsight having Kirk back in Generations was a bad idea. This should have been how it ended for the TOS cast. IV or VI? Martin VI damn my frazzled brain. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 21, 2022 13:04:41 GMT
I do actually agree with you, and it could work if the whole of Star Trek ended there, but would it be realistic to expect 24th Century Star Trek canon to never address/mention how Kirk eventually dies?
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on May 21, 2022 16:16:51 GMT
Star Trek VI was on Film Four yesterday - had to watch it. Still a cracking film. In hindsight having Kirk back in Generations was a bad idea. This should have been how it ended for the TOS cast. Yup. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on May 21, 2022 16:18:33 GMT
I do actually agree with you, and it could work if the whole of Star Trek ended there, but would it be realistic to expect 24th Century Star Trek canon to never address/mention how Kirk eventually dies? Martin Yup, he was just one Captain amongst many and the Enterprise alone had 3* other famous Captains. -Ralph *April, Pike, Spock |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 21, 2022 16:32:00 GMT
I didn't mean realistic in terms of the realism of the fiction, I meant realistic in terms of resisting fan curiosity and writer temptation.
Martin
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Post by KnightBeat on May 21, 2022 16:52:41 GMT
The Star Trek Federation novel felt like a better send-off for the character (when I read it in the 90s. No idea if it stands up today). It gave us a TOS/TNG crossover where both crews are able to shine, while allowing them to continue on their own journey afterwards. Plus, a Kirkless Generations movie would have removed the awful Shatner novels on Kirk in the 24th century and allowed the character to appear in modern Trek. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 21, 2022 17:10:06 GMT
I do actually agree with you, and it could work if the whole of Star Trek ended there, but would it be realistic to expect 24th Century Star Trek canon to never address/mention how Kirk eventually dies? Martin Oh I think they could just mention when he died and leave it at that, or be quite vague. Give it a mythic quality given the adventures he got up to. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 21, 2022 17:15:12 GMT
The Star Trek Federation novel felt like a better send-off for the character (when I read it in the 90s. No idea if it stands up today). It gave us a TOS/TNG crossover where both crews are able to shine, while allowing them to continue on their own journey afterwards. Plus, a Kirkless Generations movie would have removed the awful Shatner novels on Kirk in the 24th century and allowed the character to appear in modern Trek. Ah but Kirk reanimated by the Borg...classic. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 24, 2022 15:57:45 GMT
John Lee Hooker night on Pick's TNG repeats!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 29, 2022 16:04:43 GMT
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