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Post by charlesrocketboy on Apr 15, 2009 21:16:01 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 22, 2016 21:27:15 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 22, 2016 22:20:06 GMT
Why does twenty years of Beast Wars sound more believable and realistic than thirty years of G1?
And why did my predictive text want to put Breast Ears in that sentence?
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Post by primenova on Apr 23, 2016 6:28:02 GMT
I guess ITV would have cut the logo if it said Breast Ears like how they stopped it before Transformers appeared in the titles.
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Post by Toph on Apr 23, 2016 18:04:55 GMT
Beast Wars is still the best consistantly written show in the franchise.
Had Animated not been axed, I think TFA would have surpassed it in another season. But BW is still the pinnacle to which all other series should be held to, in terms of writing, characterization, and voice acting.
And it actually almost angers me that Hasbro is choosing to ignore the series that is responcible for TF being a multi-billion dollar world wide franchise, instead of a dead nostalgic 80s trip.
For G1's 20th, we got the start of the Masterpiece line, and Alternators.
But instead of BW's 20th, we're getting four or five uber expensive and largely pointless sets of repaints for the 30th anniversary of a bad animated movie.
I mean, why not at least make a 20th anniversary set from 10th anniversary Primal, U Dinobot, U Cheetor, gen Rhinox, and gen Rattrap? I'd say that's the least they could do, but it's not. They're literally doing nothing.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 23, 2016 18:38:48 GMT
They don't have to do anything if there is no business sense to it.
As good as it was BW was one line amongst many now a long time ago.
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Post by Toph on Apr 23, 2016 19:16:34 GMT
everything you just said applies to the animated movie
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 23, 2016 20:17:03 GMT
Not really, the animated movie is a part of the 'G1' section of the franchise which is not only more enduring and recognisable than BW to a general audience, but arguably where the adult fan collector base is focused. Far more financial return to be made there.
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Post by primenova on Jun 3, 2017 6:39:03 GMT
Is there somewhere online where you can download episodes in mpg video file format? That is the format I use for making DVD. This is because I have got 2 bought VHS tapes & the same tape ep21-23 the recorder ate the tape during ep21 at the same point. So just wanting to make a DVD with those on it. Have downloaded it but in mp4 format that DVD maker doesn.t read. I should have kept the eps when taped them off ITV2
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Post by chrisl on Jun 14, 2017 9:48:45 GMT
Personally I think BW has dated less well than G1/the animated movie. While the plot/writing of BW is vastly superior, the quality of the CGI animation looks terribly dated in comparison to modern shows, whereas the animated movie still stands up favourably in terms of its visuals.
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Post by primenova on Jun 14, 2017 11:48:35 GMT
Yes it does suffer from those solid block CGI - like with X-men cartoon 90's you knew when wall was going to blow because it didn't match the rest of the colour.
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Post by Toph on Nov 11, 2018 23:21:18 GMT
(Ignoring what killed this thread)
I fully acknowledge that the strength of Beast Wars was entirely because of the limitations of the medium.
But sometimes I wonder what Mainframe would have done with a few more characters. Which ones they'd choose.
Playing around with MP Shadow Panther, and it just got me thinking how they'd have altered the Cheetor model for him, which lead me to wonder what they'd have done for other characters.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 16, 2019 23:23:19 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 16, 2019 23:49:33 GMT
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Post by Toph on Mar 17, 2019 6:13:49 GMT
That's one that hits hard
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 17, 2019 10:31:21 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 17, 2019 10:39:08 GMT
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Post by Toph on Mar 17, 2019 10:55:59 GMT
Personally, I feel Larry DiTillio and Bob Forward are just as important to the foundations of this franchise as Bob Budiansky is.
It isn't that it would be unrecognizably different without them, It's that it wouldn't exist without them. You can't even say that about Simon Furman.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 17, 2019 11:23:28 GMT
Not to diminish the work they did, but I disagree, Bob has a singular place in Transformers, unmatched by any creative since.
The franchise would exist, it would be wildly different in how the fiction and characters are presented. I think the BW show brought a lot of new fans, but that impact wouldhave been greater in the US. A cartoon wasn't really part of any promotional strategy in the UK, and hadn't for a number of years, coupled with the fact that Transformers was only off the shelves in the UK and Europe for about 6 months, not sure exactly about Japan, whereas there had been distinctly longer periods in the US.
The show was spottily distributed in the UK initially, the toyline thrived because the concept was neat and the various gimmicks struck a chord with the kids and the Japanese series took great liberties with the source material when dubbing.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 17, 2019 13:25:04 GMT
Personally, I feel Larry DiTillio and Bob Forward are just as important to the foundations of this franchise as Bob Budiansky is. It isn't that it would be unrecognizably different without them, It's that it wouldn't exist without them. You can't even say that about Simon Furman. Hmmm. I reckon if the TF line had died with G2 in 1994, it would still have been resurrected in 2008 when they realised they could do live-action films riding a wave of 1980s nostalgia, and we'd be pretty much in the same place as we are now. What the creators of Beast Wars did was give the die-hard fans something interesting to focus on in the interim period. And what Simon Furman did was make the original fiction last a decade rather than the half-decade it would have had if it had ended when Budiansky ended. Would that make a difference to where we ended up now? Can't really say. They all contributed something different in the fans' eyes, but that doesn't mean they were all essential to TFs getting its recent cinema-based 1980s nostalgia revival. The revival was inevitable so long as "Transformers" was the clear answer to the question "We can do giant alien robots on screen now - which giant alien robots would bring in the most cinema-goers?" Martin |
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Post by Toph on Mar 17, 2019 19:58:27 GMT
With respect, I really don't think TF would be a thing today without Beast Wars.
There would probably have been an attempt to reboot it a year or two ago, as everything 80s except Gobots gets a reboot now. But it wouldn't have stayed even remotely popular enough to risk a $100m dollar live action movie on.
Without Beast Wars, TF would have ended in '95. And BW probably would have ended pretty quickly without the show giving it a completely new story. (As interesting as the original micro-continuity is, it was just more of the same back then)
Furman built upon what Budiansky created. And it was Furman who made the franchise endure for the hardcore fans, during the time there was nothing.
But that stopped working. DiTillio and Forward threw out the rulebook for the first time in the franchise history, and rebuilt it from the ground up. And made it work again for a whole new generation.
As for Takara, they may have disregarded their work, but it was their success that allowed Takara the chance to expand into BWII, BWN, and Car Robots.
I think without the show, BW would have been a flash in the pan. And without BW, the franchise would maybe have the presence of He-Man or Thundercats.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 17, 2019 20:19:40 GMT
I think that cinematically, TFs is fundamentally different to He-Man or Thundercats in terms of its potential to make money and draw audiences. In the last decade, there was inevitably going to be a market for giant transforming robots on screen, because they are just the perfect thing for action movies, and technology has now reached a place where they can be done well. If there had never been TFs or Gobots in the 1980s, they would have had to invent them circa 2010 for 21st Century cinema. But as they did exist already, it made sense to use the TF franchise rather than invent a new one, because the nostalgia of our generation gives it an initial boost. That's why I think TFs would be alive today regardless of what happened to it between the '80s and now.
I suppose what I'm saying is that the TF concept is so strong and inevitable in terms of toy playability and screen spectacle that it's not dependent on great writers for its existence/success (as evidenced by the Michael Bay films), it's only dependent on them for the quality of its stories.
Much as I would love to credit my favourite writers for the franchise's success, I think it's the fact that, in the childhood memories of our generation, cars turning into robots means Transformers, that is responsible for the franchise's success.
Martin
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 21, 2023 9:19:58 GMT
The Transformers Official YT channel is now uploading the first season - 9 episodes up so far.
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Post by The Doctor on May 28, 2023 10:57:12 GMT
Great. I have been wanting to watch it again and only have the handful of episodes that got a DVD release.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 28, 2023 11:00:13 GMT
Glad that the Big H have realised if noone is paying for this thing, get it out it might build awareness and drive sales, taken them long enough though.
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Post by The Doctor on May 28, 2023 11:01:31 GMT
Yup.
Make it accessible, people can watch it and then want to buy your products!
-Ralph
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Post by primenova on Dec 25, 2023 21:17:26 GMT
Was just searching for IDW 2021 Beastwars tpb v1 & got a page up talking about Beast wars series 1
So the cartoon could have ended with just one season because Hasbro wasnt getting the toy sales in making money from UK sales back in 1996 because the toys don't get UK release until Feb 1998.
So they agree to have Mainframe do series 2 13 episodes. But then they dont say that they are going to redesign the whle core cast so Mainframe now have to redo animtation costing them money. Hasbro now wanted G1 in the show midway into series one after saying no G1 & not to be on Earth. They didnt like Starscream in ep3.
Then when we got to Ark in series 2 (Optimus & Ravage) they didnt want G1 in the show because we arent selling those toys.
Episode Dark Glass was changed to Transmutate.
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Post by Toph on Dec 26, 2023 5:46:38 GMT
Beast Wars is a master class in continually pulling things out of your ass, while making it look like this was your master plan all along.
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