Beast Wars is still the best consistantly written show in the franchise. Had Animated not been axed, I think TFA would have surpassed it in another season. But BW is still the pinnacle to which all other series should be held to, in terms of writing, characterization, and voice acting.
And it actually almost angers me that Hasbro is choosing to ignore the series that is responcible for TF being a multi-billion dollar world wide franchise, instead of a dead nostalgic 80s trip. For G1's 20th, we got the start of the Masterpiece line, and Alternators. But instead of BW's 20th, we're getting four or five uber expensive and largely pointless sets of repaints for the 30th anniversary of a bad animated movie. I mean, why not at least make a 20th anniversary set from 10th anniversary Primal, U Dinobot, U Cheetor, gen Rhinox, and gen Rattrap? I'd say that's the least they could do, but it's not. They're literally doing nothing.
Not really, the animated movie is a part of the 'G1' section of the franchise which is not only more enduring and recognisable than BW to a general audience, but arguably where the adult fan collector base is focused. Far more financial return to be made there.
Is there somewhere online where you can download episodes in mpg video file format? That is the format I use for making DVD. This is because I have got 2 bought VHS tapes & the same tape ep21-23 the recorder ate the tape during ep21 at the same point. So just wanting to make a DVD with those on it. Have downloaded it but in mp4 format that DVD maker doesn.t read. I should have kept the eps when taped them off ITV2
Personally I think BW has dated less well than G1/the animated movie. While the plot/writing of BW is vastly superior, the quality of the CGI animation looks terribly dated in comparison to modern shows, whereas the animated movie still stands up favourably in terms of its visuals.
I fully acknowledge that the strength of Beast Wars was entirely because of the limitations of the medium. But sometimes I wonder what Mainframe would have done with a few more characters. Which ones they'd choose.
Playing around with MP Shadow Panther, and it just got me thinking how they'd have altered the Cheetor model for him, which lead me to wonder what they'd have done for other characters.
Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 17, 2019 11:23:28 GMT
Not to diminish the work they did, but I disagree, Bob has a singular place in Transformers, unmatched by any creative since.
The franchise would exist, it would be wildly different in how the fiction and characters are presented. I think the BW show brought a lot of new fans, but that impact wouldhave been greater in the US. A cartoon wasn't really part of any promotional strategy in the UK, and hadn't for a number of years, coupled with the fact that Transformers was only off the shelves in the UK and Europe for about 6 months, not sure exactly about Japan, whereas there had been distinctly longer periods in the US.
The show was spottily distributed in the UK initially, the toyline thrived because the concept was neat and the various gimmicks struck a chord with the kids and the Japanese series took great liberties with the source material when dubbing.
Personally, I feel Larry DiTillio and Bob Forward are just as important to the foundations of this franchise as Bob Budiansky is.
It isn't that it would be unrecognizably different without them, It's that it wouldn't exist without them. You can't even say that about Simon Furman.
Hmmm. I reckon if the TF line had died with G2 in 1994, it would still have been resurrected in 2008 when they realised they could do live-action films riding a wave of 1980s nostalgia, and we'd be pretty much in the same place as we are now. What the creators of Beast Wars did was give the die-hard fans something interesting to focus on in the interim period.
And what Simon Furman did was make the original fiction last a decade rather than the half-decade it would have had if it had ended when Budiansky ended. Would that make a difference to where we ended up now? Can't really say.
They all contributed something different in the fans' eyes, but that doesn't mean they were all essential to TFs getting its recent cinema-based 1980s nostalgia revival. The revival was inevitable so long as "Transformers" was the clear answer to the question "We can do giant alien robots on screen now - which giant alien robots would bring in the most cinema-goers?"
Little is known about this goblin beyond its dual role as an offensive weapon and teapot.
With respect, I really don't think TF would be a thing today without Beast Wars.
There would probably have been an attempt to reboot it a year or two ago, as everything 80s except Gobots gets a reboot now. But it wouldn't have stayed even remotely popular enough to risk a $100m dollar live action movie on.
Without Beast Wars, TF would have ended in '95. And BW probably would have ended pretty quickly without the show giving it a completely new story. (As interesting as the original micro-continuity is, it was just more of the same back then)
Furman built upon what Budiansky created. And it was Furman who made the franchise endure for the hardcore fans, during the time there was nothing. But that stopped working. DiTillio and Forward threw out the rulebook for the first time in the franchise history, and rebuilt it from the ground up. And made it work again for a whole new generation.
As for Takara, they may have disregarded their work, but it was their success that allowed Takara the chance to expand into BWII, BWN, and Car Robots.
I think without the show, BW would have been a flash in the pan. And without BW, the franchise would maybe have the presence of He-Man or Thundercats.
Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 17, 2019 20:19:40 GMT
I think that cinematically, TFs is fundamentally different to He-Man or Thundercats in terms of its potential to make money and draw audiences. In the last decade, there was inevitably going to be a market for giant transforming robots on screen, because they are just the perfect thing for action movies, and technology has now reached a place where they can be done well. If there had never been TFs or Gobots in the 1980s, they would have had to invent them circa 2010 for 21st Century cinema. But as they did exist already, it made sense to use the TF franchise rather than invent a new one, because the nostalgia of our generation gives it an initial boost. That's why I think TFs would be alive today regardless of what happened to it between the '80s and now.
I suppose what I'm saying is that the TF concept is so strong and inevitable in terms of toy playability and screen spectacle that it's not dependent on great writers for its existence/success (as evidenced by the Michael Bay films), it's only dependent on them for the quality of its stories.
Much as I would love to credit my favourite writers for the franchise's success, I think it's the fact that, in the childhood memories of our generation, cars turning into robots means Transformers, that is responsible for the franchise's success.