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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 7:23:09 GMT
I watched episodes 3 and 4 in a row and think I fell asleep on 5... Anyways - it does get better. But Jan's explanation for the Brainmaster power is...is...well...it's the worse I've ever heard... It's just...it.... nevermind. But I do like the interaction between the Dinos and Leozack. Another thing I like about this series is that it seems that there are no longer Transformers left who don't combine - well... other than the Micromasters who... aren't even Micromasters...right? Because unless I'm mistaken, Holi and the Rescue force are not de facto Micromasters; but just little minibot sort of chaps? Like Bumblebee and the like? The story of Jan being orphaned and found and raised by Starsaber is interesting, and I liked the dialogue with the nun (always like Transformers dealing with domestic earth issues which is always harder for them to do than fighting alien super robots  )... Martin was right - lots of "I challenge you! Yarg!" Samuarism going on here... And correct me if I'm wrong - but were those homages to Sparkplug and Spike at the power plant? Pete I loved the bit where Starsaber has to sign something for the nun, and he says he'll send a reduction of his signature down to her  It's like, what would Starsaber's handwriting look like?!?! lol Most of Victory is combiners, I mean The Rescue force dont, Greatshot doesnt, wheeljack, preceptor and minerva dont later i cant think of anymore though lol |
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Post by dyrl on Aug 10, 2009 12:16:59 GMT
Well, I actually like that they explicitly expanded the Transformers theme to 'Transform, gattai, power up!' (and I really like the sound of that line in the theme song - it's my favorite). Greatshot doesn't need to combine because he already is like six or more beings in one. Perceptor technically is a triple changer, Minerva does "power up" as a Headmasters and Wheeljack fits into the "transform" category of the holy trinity (Transform, Gattai, power up!) The situations are kind of camp and very simplified... but I guess this is totally in accordance with what came before wherein human life was never shown to be particularly complex...at least not so complex as the lives of Transforming robots I am saddened though that beyond seeing Ginrai in episode 1, he's no where to be seen. I guess we'll see him in the episode where he gets destroyed and rebuilt  Pity. I would have prefered to see him as a character get some development and have his re-construction into Victory Leo be an actual plot theme rather than just something that happens. I don't really understand WHY Ginrai gets reconstructed into Victory Leo then? What could it POSSIBLY serve so far as the plot is concerned? So far, it seems to me that Victory Leo could just have arrived as a seperate character... Pete |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 12:43:23 GMT
Ginrai is reintroduced later when the main cast go to Planet Micro (or whatever its called in Victory) and he occasionally helps them
He doesnt technically get killed, his body is badly damaged, so he cant use it anymore, so they transfer him over to Victory Leo's body (after its built) and thats why, it takes him a while to accusstom to it though.
In the Manga though Victory Leo was a separate character completely, I dont think Ginrai was mentione din that series,a nd just like Star Saber raised Jan, Victory Leo raised his sister (forgot her name, go to wiki to find out if your bothered enough lol)
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 10, 2009 17:53:42 GMT
I remember watching the English dub of Victory, where they consoled the dying Ginrai by saying something like, "Don't worry, although your brain will die, your body will live on with a new brain." And I thought, whaaat?!?! It's a different body! _And_ a different personality!
But I didn't really care, because the real Ginrai - the human - was left back on Earth at the end of Masterforce. The post-Masterforce Ginrai was therefore a character I had no interest in - and only a pale shadow of the Godmaster in terms of power. God Ginrai in Masterforce had all that 'Chojin Power' stuff going on, and probably could have wiped the floor with all the Victory Destrons on his own.
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Post by dyrl on Aug 10, 2009 19:06:30 GMT
I just watched episode something or other... the one with the water theme park and Leozack's attack and attempt to build his own base. I love this about Transformers - when done right - it is soooo kiddirific. It's like life revolves around things that are important to 5 year old during lunch break on the play ground. You HAVE to have your own base! Anyways...why does the tricerotops Destron sing the chick-chick-chick song in the actual show? Is that just something he does? Is there any meaning to that? Secondly- I think the issue of size and proportion, which was always a "problem" for Transformers - takes on...hm...amazing levels here. I mean - they use a Micromaster base for Cybertron headquarters on Earth - or...is that something else? Anyways...whatever - I'm really enjoying this series. It's somewhat different to the Sunbow Transformers largely because it really does employ Japanese rather than American conventions in terms of stereotypes of human life. And you know..Jan is not annoying... really. If anything, Holi is more annoying, though I do appreciate the humor (his leg not being fully transformed when he was showing off to the kids was fun). And Dinoking... man do they make him big every time...and he also looses every time. Oh - speaking of loosing.... So... lemme get this straight... If Leozack wraps his Nunchucks around Starsaber and they emit evil pink energy, Starsaber is paralyzed... but... As soon as the V-jet comes close, Starsaber can merge with it? Um... Also - Since Leozack can pretty much hold his own in a fight with Starsaber - why doesn't he just take on Deathzaurus. I'm surprised at how passive Deathzaurus is. Really. He got his butt handed to him by Starsaber and hasn't really shown his face since. This is quite a contrast to Megatron who almost always lead his troops into battle. It does, however, remind me a bit of Gigastorm from Car Robots... I could be wrong...but I get the impression he also did a lot of sitting around?... Any how... I like this show. I want Victory toys!! Pete |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 19:50:16 GMT
Anyways...why does the tricerotops Destron sing the chick-chick-chick song in the actual show? Is that just something he does? Is there any meaning to that? And you know..Jan is not annoying... really. If anything, Holi is more annoying, though I do appreciate the humor (his leg not being fully transformed when he was showing off to the kids was fun). And Dinoking... man do they make him big every time...and he also looses every time. Since Leozack can pretty much hold his own in a fight with Starsaber - why doesn't he just take on Deathzaurus. I'm surprised at how passive Deathzaurus is. Really. He got his butt handed to him by Starsaber and hasn't really shown his face since. This is quite a contrast to Megatron who almost always lead his troops into battle. It does, however, remind me a bit of Gigastorm from Car Robots... I could be wrong...but I get the impression he also did a lot of sitting around?... I want Victory toys!! 1. Kakuryu (Triceratops guy) sings Chi-Chi-Chi-Pui or something like that, it's just a nonsense song, the same as in the end credits 2. I love the Holi-Jan team, and unlike Daniel-Wheelie, I dont feel like murdering them in their sleep 3. As I said earlier, Dinoking just makes me smile 4. Leozack was more trecherous in the manga I think (never read it personally 5. Deszarus doesnt do much til later on in the series, but when he does, he's quite deadly 6. I WANT THE TOYS TOOOOOOOO!!!! |
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Post by legios on Aug 10, 2009 20:26:04 GMT
So... lemme get this straight... If Leozack wraps his Nunchucks around Starsaber and they emit evil pink energy, Starsaber is paralyzed... but... As soon as the V-jet comes close, Starsaber can merge with it? Um... It is pretty much the stock thing of the hero being thumped solidly by the villian for the whole fight and then suddenly using his special secret technique to defeat them. Combining is pretty much Star Sabers equivalent of the old "Do you not see this seal of the Tokugawa Shogunate?" kind of thing. (Or Monkey pulling his staff out of his hair to thump the monster of the week). Mind you, it always begs the question of why the hero didn't just use said special fighting technique in the first place and save all the shilly-shallying around..... (That's why I do like the Godmasters in Masterforce - they don't make a habit of saving the Chokon Power for special occassions, they have superpowers and figure they may as well blinking use them) Karl |
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Post by legios on Aug 10, 2009 20:31:42 GMT
So... lemme get this straight... If Leozack wraps his Nunchucks around Starsaber and they emit evil pink energy, Starsaber is paralyzed... but... As soon as the V-jet comes close, Starsaber can merge with it? Um... I think it is pretty much the stock thing of the hero being thumped solidly by the villian for the whole fight and then suddenly using his special secret technique to defeat them. Combining is pretty much Star Sabers equivalent of the old "Do you not see this seal of the Tokugawa Shogunate?" kind of thing. (Or Monkey pulling his staff out of his hair to thump the monster of the week). Mind you, it always begs the question of why the hero didn't just use said special fighting technique in the first place and save all the shilly-shallying around..... (That's why I do like the Godmasters in Masterforce - they don't make a habit of saving the Chokon Power for special occassions, they have superpowers and figure they may as well blinking use them) I've always treated Victory Leo as being a completely different character to either Ginrai (the original for obvious reasons, and the Cybertron one because, as observed, they saved his body and put a new brain in it in the dub. Of course, that isn't as bizarre as the dubs explanation of Soundwave's rebuilding in Headmasters - which basically boils down to :- "He's toast but his batteries still work so we can stick them in some new guy to power him, will that do Galvatron?" "Yeah, close enough." Karl |
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Aug 10, 2009 21:25:17 GMT
Well according to the dub, he used some of Soundwave's parts along with some other new parts and reconstructed another Soundwave.
Which he has named New Soundwave!
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Post by Jaymz on Aug 10, 2009 23:31:58 GMT
I wish the Space Mafia one was true, cos it sure sounds cool. They're still Space Gangsters, just nothing to do with the Italians. |
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Aug 10, 2009 23:36:55 GMT
Yeah, but "Space Mafia" implied a large organisation.
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Post by dyrl on Aug 11, 2009 20:02:54 GMT
Ok, I have now finished up through episode 10, with the introduction of Hellbat (finally!). So... This series does tend to get better and better. It's a bit arbitrary though... that is...Deathzaurus mentions in an off hand remark that Starsaber trapped his "castle" in DeathNebula (or something like that) and that he needs lots of energy to get it back... How and why this is - who knows? And...um... what is this castle thing? If Starsaber defeated it once - who's to say he won't do it again? Speaking of which: I find it amusing that the first and only time Star Saber is injured - sustains actually multiple injuries - is while fighting all of the Breast Animals from the Breast Force at the same time... And... umm...so...what do the Breast Animals transform into - other than breasts or rather...really Chests? Are they like Powermasters/Godmasters only it's an animal this time rather than a humanoid? Kind of like with Doubledealer? It's kind of arbitrary - but then again it's no doubt also extremely cool and a great homage to Soundwave. In fact, remove the wings, the bird-helment and his two breasts animals and Deathsaurus looks a lot like Soundwave - at least in the chest compartment... Dinoking is notably suddenly absent as Hellbat enters the picture. In fact, the last time we see them is in that jungle... I feel that Leozack has been going downhill since the beginning. In the beginning, the character felt to be strong insofar as he was able to give Starsaber a run for his money (unlike Deathzaurus who was beaten once and then ...er...well...impailed really...during their second fight). Leozack has managed to pretty well beat down and tie up Starsaber numerous times. With Hellbat's help, they almost won - it was a pretty close call... And yet, all of thse near-wins against Starsaber have gone hand in hand with Leozack adopting a more and more whimpy, groveling and scared stiff tone with Deathsaurus? Why? I mean - jeez - Starscream could never ever ever even come close to defeating Optimus Prime (well, except in Divide and Conquer, and that was with help from the Seekers), while Leozack has shown himself to be an equal of Starsaber (who keeps having to resort to using his five-times-larger robot mode to beat the little guy).... and yet Starscream STILL never cringed at all before Megatron (not really at least) and kept questioning him, because Megatron kept LOOSING to Prime... Leozack isn't emboldened, but more and more apologetic... Oh well... This series does have a bit too much "yaarrgghh!" and "fffaaaiiight!" to it - but then again, I guess it's just trying to be a bit more Super Robot than usual Pete |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 12, 2009 8:40:39 GMT
And... umm...so...what do the Breast Animals transform into - other than breasts or rather...really Chests? I seem to recall them turning into weapons - mostly guns, but didn't Deathsaurus's golden one turn into a bow for him? I tried re-watching an episode of Victory the other day... got bored and stopped. I think I just never found any characters in it to care about / identify with, like the humans in Masterforce and most of the characters in the Marvel TF comics. None of the Victory cast ever succeeded in convincing me they were real people rather than caricatures. Martin |
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Post by dyrl on Aug 12, 2009 8:54:10 GMT
Yes - the breast animals did indeed turn into weapons - but what I'm getting at is what are they when they are...well..breasts/chests?
I mean - are they an extra coat of armor? Are they cassettes gone wild? Are they powermaster engines?
In Masterforce, did the little Godmasters turn into engines or was it just a boxy thing that merged with the transtector?
Similarly - were the Breastforce engines...or just boxy things that sprung off of robots bodies kind of like Scorponok (in the new live movie) just springs off of Blackout?
As for the characters - I always loved Hellbat, and have found Leozack to be an interesting character.
On the Autobots side, I think they did a nice job with Blacker and Mach Kicker's story arc. Having Blacker take responsibility for the mission failure, even though it was Mach Kicker's...or...maybe it was Machtackler?...anyways - that other dude's fault was a good story move.
It made Machtackler realize that he was indeed "a kid" and that Blacker was indeed more experienced and a senior officer for a reason.
Also, I really liked the little things like the Dinosaur Force member reacting to the unusually large flock of birds as an indictation that something was amiss.
Hmm... what else?
There actually is a continuing character arc with Jan and his dad - what with the Mineral Research Professor having known him and telling Jan what his dad was like - this gives the character more depth. Jan thanks him for letting him know something about his dad (who was a mystery to him). I am somewhat surprised though that Jan doesn't care a whit about learning about his mom.... Maybe that's what happens when a boy grows up with masculine super robots fighting other super robots... He doesn't seem to miss his mom at all... which is interesting... it's all about dad...
Finally, I really like Goyru.
Goyru at first comes off as a windbag - just another "charge! attack" kind of "leader" - but when you look at his interaction with Leozack, you realize that Goyru kind of knows the limits of what his team are capable of. They actually do succeed in attacking the space satelite, and later the lunar space base.
It's only when Starsaber shows up that they are outmatched. But so what? Deathsaurus is also outmatched - so you can't really blame Goyru for failing where his Emperor also failed.
And of course, Dinoking - for all his faults - has gone up against Starsaber far more times than Deathsaurus has.
I do agree that this series has some of the feel of a war between two samuari clans. Lots of "yaaarrgh!" and charging with swords.
Although - speaking of swords - it's a bit annoying that the swords keep shooting death rays. If they have all of these meelee weapons rather than firearms, they could have gone and tried to make some decent sword fights. Instead the characters often just point their melee weapon in a random direction and it fires off pink lasers or fancy lights....
Boo...
I agree this is no where near the level of the Marvel comics - but it IS on level with the season 1 Sunbow cartoon I would argue.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 12, 2009 9:14:54 GMT
I agree this is no where near the level of the Marvel comics - but it IS on level with the season 1 Sunbow cartoon I would argue. Oh, I'll grant you that... if you think it's anything for the series to boast about.  Well, the Godmaster engines in Masterforce served a purpose, namely as a means of connecting the human operator to the robot he controlled. Granted, it's a somewhat uncomfortable way of linking up, having your legs bend sideways until they touch your ears, but the link-up itself enabled the human mind to operate the robot body as if it were his own. The Breastforce's chestplates certainly don't seem to take control of the larger robot when they link up, so I agree with your question - what's the point? I can see the point of Brainmasters. Having a little version of yourself inside you, like a Russian doll, means you can leave your large body and go inside humans' buildings, or spy on your enemies. I see them as a form of optional downsizing - you can be a Micromaster when you want to, and you can be big when you want to. Martin |
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Post by dyrl on Aug 17, 2009 5:36:03 GMT
No new episodes watched yet, since I've been out looking for a new car, and trying to juggle finances in order to buy one - BUT... I kept forgetting to mention this...probably because I was subconsciously repressing the thought, since it's so disturbing, regarding Victory...
Insofar as one makes any attempt to derive anything even mildly serious from this series, the attempt is thoroughly exploded at the end of each and every episode by the end-credits song which asks us whether or not we think Star Saber peed in his bed?
I understand the idea here, and I understand how this is supposed to bring some super-deformed levity to what is otherwise...er...clearly a serious series...but...well... see...it's NOT that serious of a series to begin with anyways.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 18, 2009 11:06:33 GMT
It's awesome though!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 21, 2010 7:54:57 GMT
I was looking forward to reading your review there, Chris. What happened?
But anyway, have a great wedding and honeymoon, mate!
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Post by chrisl on Apr 22, 2010 22:01:30 GMT
Transformers Victory Episode 1: The Brave hero of the Universe, Star Saber [youtube] www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXsqtlhEyoo[/youtube]Although Victory continues on from where Masterforce left off it also marks a distinct departure from the previous series in two ways: Firstly it returns to the idea of Transformers as Super Robot Life forms rather than inanimate Transtectors infused with the Chokon Power of humans. Secondly, there is a strong Samurai feel to the show with ballistic weapons being overlooked in favour of melee weapons. Following the destruction of Devil-Z at the end of Transformers Masterforce, the Destrons have fled Earth and are in the midst of conquering planets across the galaxy. In response the Cybertrons have formed the Galactic Peace Alliance with its head quarters on planet V. Following the opening titles we see the first of four different chibi transition shorts. A chibi Star Saber flies into the screen before transforming and slicing a Destron logo in half with his sword to reveal its Cybertron equivalent. These transitions become more common throughout the series. A short homage to the spaghetti western genre complete with the obligatory Enrico Morricone-esqe theme, the opening scene to the first episode of Transformers Victory is arguably one of the most memorable scenes of all the Japanese Transformers cartoons. On a planet unknown, two generic looking Destrons enter the city limits of Iron Town, a Cybertronian wild-west township populated by Junkions, Lithones, Jawas from Star Wars, Babar the elephant (I kid you not) and a variety of generic robots. As the towns folk run from the rampaging Destrons, a mysterious lone robot marches into town. With the Destrons’ laser blasts bouncing off his armour the mysterious robot draws his ‘Saber Blade’ and proceeds to absorb vast quantities of energy as the two Destrons abandon their guns in favour of scythes. After disarming the aggressors, our hero leaps into the air and unleashes the full power of his sword, destroying the two Destrons in the process. Once the dust settles the mysterious robot is revealed as Star Saber the new Supreme Commander of the Cybertron forces. <more to follow> |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 18, 2015 22:58:41 GMT
Since we've had the openinmg for the other two Japanese shows tonight, we should complete the set:
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 15, 2016 23:06:45 GMT
I'm into the final few episodes of this now, having been watching it off and on for a while. It's grown on me a lot and I think had this had a proper ongoing narrative it would have been the best of the three series. The Ginrai/Victory Leo bit is nice.
What gets me though is that this series has a really diverse range of unique toys with a good variety of gimmicks, but there seems to be very little attempt to revisit them in recent years. Takara do produce their own toys, they aren't solely connected to Hasbro, so why haven't they exploited their own heritage like the Generations line does? Is there so little interest in Japan? There also seems to be a paucity of encore releases for the Japanese figures - or is that what Brave was? Like, why hasn't something as awesome looking as Star Saber or Victory Leo been reissued? Every one of the characters in Victory looks like a fun toy to own.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 15, 2016 23:08:53 GMT
Star Saber is a magnificent brick!
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 8, 2019 6:47:50 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 12, 2020 19:39:17 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 13, 2020 10:53:23 GMT
Ahhhh, I remember them well from the Realplayer files of those episodes.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 13, 2020 20:25:17 GMT
Ah RealPlayer...
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Post by browny87 on Jan 14, 2020 10:09:41 GMT
proper retro!
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 14, 2020 13:00:07 GMT
Yes kids, there was an information superhighway before Youtube!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Aug 17, 2020 22:59:56 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 18, 2020 20:02:19 GMT
Excellent
And they have Masterforce.
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It's like, what would Starsaber's handwriting look like?!?! lol
