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Post by grahamthomson on Jun 24, 2009 11:30:13 GMT
Maybe the Rail Gun needed recharging, or perhaps the Pyramids are like listed buildings and can't be shot at without fear of an ASBO. Or maybe--
Actually, wait. We're probably best not to over-think these kinds of details.
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Post by Nigel on Jun 24, 2009 11:54:32 GMT
Perhaps the recoil on the rail gun was huge and shunted the ship back to port.
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Post by legios on Jun 24, 2009 12:10:56 GMT
Actually, getting only one shot out of a railgun isn't entirely unrealistic.
The current prototypes that the US Navy are developing are quite promising, packing considerable punch, except for one slight problem..... an alarming tendency for important parts of them to melt under the stresses of firing.....
So maybe something vital went and they had to pull the rail-gun off-line?
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Post by grahamthomson on Jun 24, 2009 12:13:59 GMT
Stop applying sense!!  I wonder now if Simmons did say something along the lines of "We've only got one shot at this, I am under its scrotum" or somesuch. To be honest, seeing Devastator's wrecking balls swinging around on the IMAX was pretty mesmerising, so I don't recall to clearly what was said. |
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Post by grahamthomson on Jun 24, 2009 12:20:35 GMT
Oh! And let's not forget Mudflap had already given Devastator "the worst case of indigestion he's ever had" prior to the Rail Gun Takedown.
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 24, 2009 12:33:17 GMT
My own suspision is this. There is a cut of this film that is at least as coherent as the first. Sadly it was well over 3 hours long. This is why Bay was still busy editing the thing up till the last minute. No one subplot stil in the film could be cut without creating truely huge plot and logic gaps. Whatever happens the film is never going to be cut down to two hours so it has to stay all action and humour to keep (most) people happy for the duration. In the end the only option was to take all those little scenes that explain why something is happening and say bye bye.
Obviously cutting some of the humping robots and drugged Mummy Witwicky was not an option.
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Post by Cullen on Jun 24, 2009 12:36:29 GMT
Oh god don't remind me about Devastators testicles.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Jun 24, 2009 12:45:21 GMT
Just reread Martin's mock newspaper article from the AA2008 magazine about the battle in Mission City, which is even more poingant after the new film. There's no way they could have covered up the Transformers as they implied in ROFD, absolutely no way. Boy, did I remember Martin's fic when I heard about the "cover story". The dumb thing is that instead of saying "alien robots exist, and some are baddies but these ones are goodies!", we're told the US government said "equipment we had made went haywire and rampaged in an America city because the GPS got a bit crapped up!". Now, I dunno about you, but if I'm an American that's more terrifying than the alien robots! Not to mention if you're not an American, because then you'd be wondering "oh no, what if they get deployed HERE?!" and harrass your government to build its own robots. And this is why I hate "BIG BLATANT PARANORMAL oh but nobody remembers or believes it!" stories. My god, was Buffy and Angel taking the piss after a while (how could LAPD detectives in the Buffyverse not know about monsters?). |
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Post by Rich on Jun 24, 2009 13:09:58 GMT
But surely the writers on Buffy and on TF were taking the piss? And, while I accept you could say that it's a complete cop out, when I know something is daft, but I also know that the writers know it's daft (and that they know that I know they know that it's daft) and have kind of given me a knowing wink, I'm happy to just accept it and move on. I mean, Devastator's scrotum! If that isn't a nudge and a wink, I have no idea what is.
Just listened to Mark Kermode's wonderful rant about all that is wrong and exploitative about ROTF (it's part 3 of this week's monster 3 part 5 Live film review podcast) and I agreed with just about every word he said about it. And yet, I enjoyed it. Maybe I'm just a Sun reader at heart.
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Post by Cullen on Jun 24, 2009 13:46:17 GMT
But surely the writers on Buffy and on TF were taking the piss? And, while I accept you could say that it's a complete cop out, when I know something is daft, but I also know that the writers know it's daft (and that they know that I know they know that it's daft) and have kind of given me a knowing wink, I'm happy to just accept it and move on. I mean, Devastator's scrotum! If that isn't a nudge and a wink, I have no idea what is. I think that's this is a big part of why I didn't like it: I didn't really expect them to take the piss so much. It might have worked as some sort of parody if the humour had been any good (with Jetfire being the only exception). I mean its not like I'm dead set against ball jokes. In fact I'm pretty much the target audience! But even purile humour needs comic timing. |
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Post by Nigel on Jun 24, 2009 14:08:46 GMT
Well, one thing to say about the scrotum: who'd have ever expected to see a relatively obscure Japanese character like Tackle?
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 24, 2009 17:46:45 GMT
This is uncanny. Every comment Cullen makes completely echoes my opinions on the film. It's like we've become some strange gestalt mind!
-Ralph
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2009 21:15:12 GMT
I have watched ROTF twice now and the second time is much easier can take more in.
Being more critical of the actual film sideswipe and volt/ jolt can't remember his name looked really good needed more of a formal intro and more screen time. Prime really was bad ass in this film and megs was made to look a little soft bit off balance, in fact the deceptions took a right beating. I feel some of the transformation scenes of the new bots should have been extended, rampage and devastator being cut short for example. Original autobots needed more air time.
In regards to the whole story i think the film may have felt victim to trying to please every one, yes needed to get the matrix but ended a little quick. Anyway it will be interesting to see what they do with the third - i would love to see the dinobots got to done right though! A lot more combining of bots would be good.
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Post by Gav on Jun 24, 2009 21:44:43 GMT
Brain is fried. Short. Sentences.
Hmmm...a strange film overall. The plot was all over the place. We were afforded no characterisation (again) due to the amount of stuff going on. The 'comedy' elements were back in full force and for the most part were bearable. The Twins were...odd but not entirely awful. I felt that the action sequences were much clearer than the original too. Plot was all over the place. Didn't enjoy the Fallen, but loved the interaction with Megs and Starscream in the birthing area off-planet. Plot was all over the place though.
Mostly, I love how bad-ass Prime seemed to be suddenly. In the first film he was having a tough time with Megatron one-on-one - in this new film he's kicking arse left right and centre. With Jetfire's additional help, he's a beast.
Highest point for me was lil' Doc Scalpel and of course the slightly predatory,lingering shots of the female form. Sorry to break it down to the most base, masochistic level....
Lowest point was the young girls behind her going "Kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss" over and over when Sam and Michaela got together at the end.
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Post by Nigel on Jun 25, 2009 10:00:52 GMT
This is uncanny. Every comment Cullen makes completely echoes my opinions on the film. It's like we've become some strange gestalt mind! -Ralph You are Skids and Mudflap! |
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Post by Cullen on Jun 25, 2009 10:47:22 GMT
This is uncanny. Every comment Cullen makes completely echoes my opinions on the film. It's like we've become some strange gestalt mind! -Ralph Hah hah I was thinking the same thing. Behold the might of Culloctor! |
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Post by Cullen on Jun 25, 2009 10:48:40 GMT
This is uncanny. Every comment Cullen makes completely echoes my opinions on the film. It's like we've become some strange gestalt mind! -Ralph You are Skids and Mudflap!  |
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Post by Nigel on Jun 25, 2009 10:50:27 GMT
Wow, that panel is so much more effective than the scene from the film. What's it from? Comic adaptation?
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Post by Cullen on Jun 25, 2009 10:58:58 GMT
Yeah its the comic adaptation. I haven't read it because I felt much about Revenge of the Sith as I do about Revenge of Fallen Dave. Still that panel is pure gold.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 25, 2009 17:19:49 GMT
It is indeed.
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Post by Nigel on Jun 25, 2009 17:26:18 GMT
Keep that image handy in case they announce that the Bayster definitely will helm a third film.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 25, 2009 17:50:54 GMT
I can handle Bay doing TF. It's the scriptwriters that need kicked up the arse.
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 26, 2009 17:28:30 GMT
Yeah I think your right. Though I was reading a review/bitchfest on Aint it Cool and it was mentioned that a third writer was brought in that was probably responsible for the twin language and the sexual content. While I liked parts of that stuff it was too much for this film with everything else.
Orci and whats his name given the time to write a proper script can do better than this. Bay started on the visuals during the writers strike so they were playing catch up from the start.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 26, 2009 17:31:09 GMT
It appears Mr. Bay is, unsurprisingly, another bitter loser Republican. Maybe, but one of the writers may not be, since they managed to include Prime's reason for not sharing weapons technology: "We have witnessed your capacity for war!" i.e. not even the Americans can be trusted. Plus, someone in the creative team is all for organ donation. (Jetfire: "Use my parts!") So there are some good messages in there. Martin |
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Jun 26, 2009 19:51:22 GMT
Maybe, but one of the writers may not be, since they managed to include Prime's reason for not sharing weapons technology: "We have witnessed your capacity for war!" That's a bit rich coming from the Transformers! |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 26, 2009 21:25:28 GMT
Just back in from seeing it. I enjoyed it a lot. Bay certainly is a master of cinema spectacle. A shame that the older cast were kind of pushed to the side to let us see newer ones. Lots of subtle nods to the comic and cartoon which worked quite well I thought.
I like the movie universe they've created and look forward to the inevitable third film.
Andy
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Post by primenova on Jun 27, 2009 14:10:52 GMT
The Pretender stuff could have been more UK than Japan. then cut to some more action in that scene. With them having to fight the shell. They could have done a scene following on from Megs/Starscream & showing us Soundwave again.
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Post by primenova on Jun 27, 2009 22:46:27 GMT
why is Rampage toy yellow while the fight scene in movie he's red? [the others didn't have the belts on there arms]
in jack hammer mode - see photo on tfworld 4 figure gift set.
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Post by legios on Jun 28, 2009 21:01:46 GMT
Well, I have now seen Fallen Dave this afternoon and am very relieved that I didn't spend the fifteen - twenty quid it would have cost to see it on IMAX (taking into account travelling costs). It is fair to say that it wasn't to my taste at all. I found the humor extremely puerile and very far from my taste. The story felt a lot like it was aiming at many of the same story beats as the last film, only less coherently told.
Even the climactic action sequence I felt was less engaging and much less coherent than its counterpart in the first film. It was just a mass of generic robots shooting at what looked like generic soldiers (my apologies to the USMC) but without any clear sense of progress, or structure to the sequence or even much sense of the geography of it. It was just an amorphous mass of things blowing up with no real sense of progression.
Bringing back Megatron just to kneecap the character by turning him into the apprentice of the _real_ evil wizard seemed to be wasted effort in many ways. They should have just left Megatron at the bottom of the sea and had Starscream take on his plot functions to be honest.(Speaking of Starscream, I see that he was in full Sunbow-mode for this film - but surprisingly it irritated me less than I would have expected. At least it meant that he had some kind of characterisation).
We got lots more robots, but most of them were assigned to do the job of standing around in the background and thus weren't actually characters. Worst offender here were the genri-cons from the final reel. I literally couldn't tell them apart - to the extent that I couldn't tell you how many there were in the fight or how many we saw get scrapped. Unfortunately, those new robots that did get to speak didn't impress me very much either. Most of them had nothing of value to say.
The honorable exception to this being Jetfire. The one piece of comedy in the film that I actually found funny, and the one robot character who I really warmed to.
Not something I enjoyed to be honest, and not a film I am in any particular hurry to see again.
Karl
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Post by primenova on Jun 29, 2009 12:11:55 GMT
The whole pyramid bit - notice how on the wide shot you see Devie throwing rubble down on 3 sides - but all the zoom in shots on the guy you didnt see any. They did say they had fake pyramids so why not do those shots on them with stuff being thrown down.
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