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Post by grahamthomson on Nov 25, 2010 12:29:11 GMT
Which Classics/Generations toy has been the biggest improvement over the original?
I think Starscream and the rest of the Strike Planes have been the biggest improvements.
The original planes, I've always thought, were pretty poor. Too many pieces to remove/add during transformation was my biggest issue with them.
The Classics version solves all the problems the original Strike Planes had and then some!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 25, 2010 12:31:26 GMT
What Graham said. Superb Nothing else is even close.
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Post by Hero on Nov 25, 2010 12:33:27 GMT
Aside from Hound, I'd say the Strike Planes too.
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Post by Stomski on Nov 25, 2010 13:28:30 GMT
I dunno... Compare classics Prime to the original. Alright,missing a trailer and roller, but way more posable and you can't lose his fists.
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 25, 2010 13:38:02 GMT
Tricky, the strike planes I agree are a vast improvement in many many departments, but Hound to improves massively. The original is one of the brickiest bricks in Transformers history and then the part that does move are his tiny tiny little arms. Also Hound comes with Ravage which itself could be a contender for biggest improvement.
Primes great but while you can't lose the fists you can lose the smokestacks and roof..
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Post by Stomski on Nov 25, 2010 13:49:18 GMT
Well, no because they have places in both modes, where do you store the fists in your G1 Prime? In the cockpit? That's always bugged me as I can see them through the windows taunting me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2010 14:03:19 GMT
Well, no because they have places in both modes, where do you store the fists in your G1 Prime? In the cockpit? That's always bugged me as I can see them through the windows taunting me. just send them to subspace or tint the windows darker lol |
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 25, 2010 14:13:30 GMT
Well, no because they have places in both modes, where do you store the fists in your G1 Prime? In the cockpit? That's always bugged me as I can see them through the windows taunting me. They still go missing and once missing one of the modes is spoiled, I prefer figures that don't have any core parts of either mode that are detachable. Andy |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 25, 2010 15:26:50 GMT
I dunno... Compare classics Prime to the original. Alright,missing a trailer and roller, but way more posable and you can't lose his fists. The articulation on Classics Prime isn't the huge step up that it is for the jets as G1 Prime is already pretty well articulated. Classics Prime is more an alternate version of G1 Prime. For it to be a proper upgraded version it needs to be a square cabbed truck. |
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Post by Stomski on Nov 25, 2010 16:31:41 GMT
Yah, good point, for the time G1 Prime was ahead of the curve articulation wise.
Classics Mirage looks great in robot mode... His sleekness works really well and looks really dynamic. Makes the original look so blocky.
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 25, 2010 18:00:07 GMT
Yes, I'd agree with the point about the Strike Planes.
My biggest improvement is a more generalised one. Articulation. So much more fun to play with the Classics figs than their G1 counterparts. Classics are more cartoony, more comicy, and more everything! Super G1! My dream come true.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 25, 2010 18:48:59 GMT
Alright,missing a trailer and roller No, not alright.  90% of the joy of the original Optimus Prime was the trailer headquarters. Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 26, 2010 7:31:47 GMT
No love for Classics Bumblebee?
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 26, 2010 8:09:33 GMT
Alright,missing a trailer and roller No, not alright. 90% of the joy of the original Optimus Prime was the trailer headquarters. Martin I agree. What we have gained in articulation in new toys we have lost in terms of playsets, is fun trailers and the like. -Ralph |
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 26, 2010 8:20:26 GMT
No love for Classics Bumblebee? Bumblebee doesn't feel like an improvement so much as a reinvention (along with Prime, Megatron Astrotrain and Grimlock amongst others). If it had a different head and was called Goldbug it would hands down be the biggest improvment of the line. Andy |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 26, 2010 8:33:00 GMT
Bumblebee is, for me at least, close enough in terms of design.
Paint however.....
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Post by grahamthomson on Nov 26, 2010 8:52:08 GMT
No, not alright. 90% of the joy of the original Optimus Prime was the trailer headquarters. Martin I agree. What we have gained in articulation in new toys we have lost in terms of playsets, is fun trailers and the like. -Ralph I, too, agree. Original Prime's trailer was mind blowing to me at the time, that a lorry could unfold into an alien robot base! In fact, I don't think that trailer has ever been improved upon, in terms of a very realistic vehicle mode becoming a base/battle station. |
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 26, 2010 11:12:42 GMT
I've always liked Actionmaster Primes base I think because it was the only non MM base that offered a defesible position, buI I just now realised for the first time just how crazy large his lorry was. It would dwarf anything else on the roads, Even if NASA happened to be moving a rocket on the same road.
Andy
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Post by blueshift on Nov 26, 2010 11:47:44 GMT
I've always liked Actionmaster Primes base I think because it was the only non MM base that offered a defesible position, buI I just now realised for the first time just how crazy large his lorry was. It would dwarf anything else on the roads, Even if NASA happened to be moving a rocket on the same road. Andy Well it's only really large if you assume it is being driven by a giant space robot who is also a lorry. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 26, 2010 13:27:17 GMT
Hmmmm..... 2nd poll today ?
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Post by Stomski on Nov 26, 2010 13:27:36 GMT
Hrm... OK, I whole heartedly retract my previous statement about Prime!
I was thinking about the minibots, Powerglide and Seaspray have now had radical size class changes so the updates don't really embody the feeling of the original toy.
There is one that stands out though, Legends Warpath.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 26, 2010 13:28:28 GMT
Which is superb. Especially after you take a knife to the robot's chest and fix the turret.
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 26, 2010 13:49:47 GMT
I've always liked Actionmaster Primes base I think because it was the only non MM base that offered a defesible position, buI I just now realised for the first time just how crazy large his lorry was. It would dwarf anything else on the roads, Even if NASA happened to be moving a rocket on the same road. Andy Well it's only really large if you assume it is being driven by a giant space robot who is also a lorry. The visual of Prime driving down the interstate taking up four lanes while honking his horn to clear the road is glorious and quite terrifying. Megatrons tank is just terrifying. |
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Post by grahamthomson on Nov 26, 2010 13:51:40 GMT
^^ Awesome!
I wonder what would happen when he arrives at a toll booth!
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 26, 2010 14:06:41 GMT
He flips a coin towards the coin payment funnel thing and when it lands it flattens the whole booth.
Andy
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 27, 2010 8:05:50 GMT
I've always liked Actionmaster Primes base I think because it was the only non MM base that offered a defesible position, What I liked (liked? I must do it again some time!) to do with the original Prime's trailer was only open up one side of it, so the Mini Autobots had a solid wall and roof at their back when defending the low wall of the open side. The tower could still be erected by virtue of the square hole in the roof of the trailer, and Brawn or Outback could sit on high atop the dual missile launchers (with the cover open). Happy days! Martin |
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Post by grahamthomson on Nov 27, 2010 9:18:05 GMT
Martin, I've never even considered doing that with the trailer before!
You've taught me an exciting new way to play with a 26 year old
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 27, 2010 9:20:02 GMT
Martin, I've never even considered doing that with the trailer before! You've taught me an exciting new way to play with a 26 year old and a 26 year old toy? |
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Post by grahamthomson on Nov 27, 2010 10:59:33 GMT
Oops, my sentence was cut off before I put "toy".
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 27, 2010 11:16:46 GMT
yeah, yeah, yeah....
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