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Post by blueshift on Apr 30, 2017 19:26:10 GMT
Ever since 'Unobtanium' I worry about Cameron's ability to think up original ideas. Aren't we getting an alternative follow up to Aliens next from another director? Unobtanium is a real thing! |
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Post by Toph on Apr 30, 2017 20:52:40 GMT
Ever since 'Unobtanium' I worry about Cameron's ability to think up original ideas. Aren't we getting an alternative follow up to Aliens next from another director? I dunno. I thought unobtanium was a pretty funny lampshade joke. And that's actually about the only part of the movie I remember. |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 30, 2017 21:08:33 GMT
Ever since 'Unobtanium' I worry about Cameron's ability to think up original ideas. Aren't we getting an alternative follow up to Aliens next from another director? Nope. The director who pitched the idea is now not doing it. Alien: Covenant was made instead. -Ralph |
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Post by legios on May 1, 2017 19:38:08 GMT
Unobtanium is a real thing! Wikipedia suggests otherwise... Unobtanium entryBizarrely some of the rumours I am hearing include a sequel to Prometheus - or as the internet is describing it "a prequel to Alien Covenant" which will tell the story of David and Shaw's journey to the Engineers' homeworld which is due to follow Covenant... At this point I find that idea somewhat perplexing, and can't help but wonder if they have this confused with the various snippets of said story we have seen in TV spots and what-not as part of the Alien:Covenant advertising effort. Or perhaps Ridley Scott just can't let go until he has attached Paradise to the title of one of these films and actually _kept_ it attached until it is in cinemas... Karl |
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Post by Stomski on May 1, 2017 21:29:11 GMT
Nope. The director who pitched the idea is now not doing it. Alien: Covenant was made instead. Oh, I thought I read that it was sidelined for Covenant and was still intended to come afterwards. But who knows, it's not like the franchise has ever really been handled well since Aliens (although I will defend the Alien3 Assembly Cut until the facehugger impregnated cows come home.) |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 11, 2017 21:28:15 GMT
I like Alien 3.
It has fans on this forum.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on May 11, 2017 21:32:27 GMT
It does.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 11, 2017 21:33:30 GMT
Yep.
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Post by The Doctor on May 11, 2017 21:35:23 GMT
I have just realised Alien 3 was 25 years ago.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 11, 2017 21:41:35 GMT
*jumps out of airlock*
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Post by legios on May 12, 2017 16:49:37 GMT
Oh, I thought I read that it was sidelined for Covenant and was still intended to come afterwards. But who knows, it's not like the franchise has ever really been handled well since Aliens (although I will defend the Alien3 Assembly Cut until the facehugger impregnated cows come home.) Alien 3 has a certain something to it. I actually quite like it for some of the things it tries to do - the themes of penitence and sacrifice it is clearly trying to engage with make an interesting juxtaposition with the conscienceless behaviour of the xenomorph for example. It also has an interesting visual style of its own - one of the nice things about the first three films, they are all very different things. It also gave us a fantastic back story standing as an example of how some films only just get made at all - and the wonderful sight of Sigourney Weaver describing Fox as "The Company" in the same tone as Ripley uses for "The Company" on one of the making-off documentaries. Karl |
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Post by blueshift on May 13, 2017 21:08:38 GMT
Tee hee
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Post by Toph on May 13, 2017 21:21:02 GMT
Maybe this thread should be renamed to the generic Fox' ALIENS thread
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Post by The Doctor on May 13, 2017 21:45:49 GMT
I have a lot of time for Alien 3 (theatrical edit). It's a mess but it's a very ambitious mess and has a lot going for it with many brave narrative decisions.
-Ralph
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Post by Stomski on May 13, 2017 22:01:38 GMT
I have seen Alien Covenant.
Guy laughing in the row in front of us was unexpected. And why did he throw his empty popcorn box 3 seats over. Then after the film walk to the aisle, then return to his seat, look down at the popcorn box and then walk out again. Very odd.
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Post by The Doctor on May 14, 2017 16:39:50 GMT
ALIEN COVENANT OF PRIMUS has been watched. I am glad I saw it on an IMAX screen so I could enjoy the look and sound of it. The film itself was watchable while it was on but sort of just 'there' though as I came out and started to think through the plot it annoyed me more and more. It falls between both stools. Without going in to spoilers, it doesn't work as either a Prometheus sequel or an Alien prequel. Shame.
Fassbender is excellent though.
-Ralph
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Post by Stomski on May 14, 2017 20:31:17 GMT
I kind of came out feeling like the first act was two long and the final act too rushed. {Spoiler}I feel like it needed more time of the Alien that burst from the first officer/assumed captain stalking the surviving crew members in David's temple. We had a moment of tension when the Neomorph entered, but it didn't last long enough. (Edit - although I will say that the main suspense in the film should have been driven by David, which it was)
My main question was coming out of it - if David is going to create Aliens from the colonists, how did eggs and an Engineer ship get to LV-426? Do other engineers retaliate after David's actions and follow the Covenant ship? But apparently there are more pre-Alien movies coming. In many ways I kinda think part of the beauty of Alien was that we didn't have answers to the questions of where did the ship/eggs on LV-426 come from. But y'know, movie industry.
And also - how did wheat get on the planet? And also also - didn't Shaw only take David's head onto the Engineer ship at the end of Prometheus? |
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Post by Stomski on May 19, 2017 21:22:21 GMT
{Spoiler}So if David is responsible for messing around with The Engineers' pathogen to create the Xenomorph as we know and love it, does this mean that AvP is no longer canon? Was it ever canon?
I do prefer the idea that the Aliens are just some ancient menace. I'll be in the corner reading the comics again...
Edit: And wasn't The Engineer in the ship the Nostromo investigated fossilised? Assuming the eggs on LV-426 are what lead to the death of that engineer, they are old. Hence David can't have created them, probably just found the right mix from what he had.
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Post by Toph on Aug 24, 2017 2:21:26 GMT
I will not consider these movies canon. They intentionally and completely throw out 30+ years worth of established globally recognized canon because Ridley Scott got his panties in a bunch almost forty years after the fact that someone messed with "his" aliens, and ALIENS and beyond didn't follow his "vision" of a franchise he had nothing to do with for neatly forty years.
I mean, that's just sour grapes, and bad writing.
So, I consider it a seperate canon that has nothing to do with the good aliens movies.
Also, saw covenant tonight. Can they not be bothered to at least *try* to make a compelling character? When you have a movie that's built around "characters come to situation, shit hits the fan, characters need to get out," you actually need to give us likable characters so we'll actually care if they live or die.
Jurassic Park did this exceptionally well.
ALIENS did this well.
AvP did this well (I thought).
AvP:R did not.
My thoughts on Covenant are it was badly written, had characters that did not convey sympathy (I did not care about anyone. It gave me no reason to), and it was just disturbing. Not the fun kind of disturbing like a good horror movie does. But more of the "who thought this is a good idea?" kind. It's like it aspires to be Neon Genesis Evangelion disturbing, but stops just a few marks above Human Centipede.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 24, 2017 12:59:20 GMT
Finally watched Alien: Covenant.
fassbender was good, but it was a bloody dumb film.
Andy
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