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Post by Jim on Jul 14, 2012 22:04:24 GMT
I'll pass. The only times I've read a Superman-centric comic were the Steven Seagle run (lovely Scott McDaniel art) and the current Action Comics. Oh, and All-Star. Which I enjoyed, but I don't think Quitely does a great Superman.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 16, 2012 0:01:13 GMT
Someone else can pick for next week! Andy Me! I got one we can do! So this week's stip is ....... X-MEN Any x-men team comic will do. I think most of us have opinions on this one :-) |
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Post by Jim on Jul 16, 2012 10:14:02 GMT
1) John Byrne. No explanation required.
2) Neal Adams. His run with Thomas is an all-too-brief gem, but if it had continued we might never have had Claremont and Byrne, so bittersweet really.
3) Chris Bachalo. One of very few artists I will follow almost anywhere. Sometimes has storytelling issues, but I love his sense of design so much I could just take his less readable pages on their own as abstract art.
4) Paul Smith. Classic work, he made them look real. A sadly short / oft-interrupted run.
5) JRJR - I think he was still finding his feet somewhat during his early run, though he still produced some great work and memorable covers.
Lots of artists bubbling under:
Alan Davis - because Alan Davis.
Carlos Pacheco - I love his dynamism, but he's rarely been drawing it at a time I wanted to read it.
Dave Cockrum - of course. His contribution should never be underestimated.
Jim Lee - first artist I read an X-Men comic by, I think, which is why I was a little excited to see those newly revealed Prof X and Jubilee figures.
Frank Quitely - I have reservations about the Morrison run, but the issues we managed to get out of Quitely were really nice.
Barry Windsor Smith - didn't do many issues, but they were good.
Brent Anderson - fine work on God Loves, Man Kills.
I'm surely forgetting loads, may be back to edit this.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 16, 2012 10:51:07 GMT
1. Paul Smith - utterly beautiul lineart.
2. John Byrne - no explanation necessary
3. Alan Davis - again, no explanation needed.
4. Joe Madureira - loved his work, gave the books a shot in the arm when they needed it.
5. Jim Lee - rejuvenated the x books as well. Shame Claremont left when he did, would have liked to see what they could do.
Bubbling under: JRJR, Art Adams, Adam Kubert, Tom Raney, Frank Quitely.
Andy
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Post by Benn on Jul 16, 2012 13:17:46 GMT
1) Joe Madureira
2) Andy Kubert
3) Chris Bachalo
4) Kia Asamiya
5) Jim Lee
Joe is the one guy from "superhero" comics whom I try and aspire to the most, the guy is just gold as far as I'm concerned. Kubert was drawing the X-Men when I started reading them, so he's kinda the definitive X-artist to me. No-one did a group pose like him! (over and over again!)
Chris purely for the Gen X stuff. Lovely lovely...
Asamiya-san.. I've been a fan of his since he drew The Phantom Menace manga. And Jim Lee gets the nod for pretty much the same reasons as Andy Kubert, except he doesn't have that "oomph" factor for me.
Bubbling under? Dave Cockrum, Brent Anderson, john Romita Jr and Walter Simonson.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 16, 2012 14:48:19 GMT
Thought this might be a good one :-) Look at all the talent people are saying *don't* make their top five!
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Post by legios on Jul 16, 2012 19:22:34 GMT
Some of this is going to look familiar as I am of like mind with Andy in many ways:-
1. Paul Smith - had a sense of reality to his work that I can't praise highly enough
2. John Byrne - I explain it thusly *points at random John Byrne X-Men issue*
3. Alan Davis
4. Jim Lee - Made everyone sit up and take notice when the books were somewhat taken for granted.
5. Dave Cockrum - Classic superhero artwork of its day - has a dynamism to it that just grabs me.
(Bubbling under, but only because Cockrum did an actual "X-Men" book rather than a spin-off is Walt Simonson, for his absolutely wonderful run on X-Factor - if I had widened my gaze out to the wider X-Family he would have been in the 4 slot pushing Lee down to 5.)
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 16, 2012 20:37:45 GMT
Simonson has an actual X-Men issue to his credit - 171, the first Rogue issue, in the From the Ashes trade.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 16, 2012 20:39:19 GMT
4) Paul Smith. Classic work, he made them look real. A sadly short / oft-interrupted run. His run is short - UXM 165-175 - but there's only on interuption, the Simonson 171 fill in. Plus there's the two X-Men/Alpha Flight issues |
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Post by legios on Jul 16, 2012 20:50:35 GMT
Simonson has an actual X-Men issue to his credit - 171, the first Rogue issue, in the From the Ashes trade. He does indeed, and a lovely looking issue it is to. (FTA is a trade I have owned several times and it does have a superlative run of art in there) It wasn't enough for me to warrant bumping Lee, whose run was much longer, down though - if I'd been counting spin-offs I'd have given him the slot in a heartbet but he wasn't on an actual "X-Men" titled book long enough to tip the balance for me. Karl |
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Post by Jim on Jul 16, 2012 23:49:10 GMT
4) Paul Smith. Classic work, he made them look real. A sadly short / oft-interrupted run. His run is short - UXM 165-175 - but there's only on interuption, the Simonson 171 fill in. Plus there's the two X-Men/Alpha Flight issues I was so sure it was broken up, don't know what it was I had in mind. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 17, 2012 19:17:01 GMT
1) Paul Smith: his run is just brilliant, fabulous. Not a bad issue there. Followed up by superb work on X-Men/Alpha Flight. I love me my Byrne, who's probably my face artist of all time, but Smith's work here is just superb.
2) Frank Quitely: Frank's style, slightly odd, perfectly fitted what Grant Morrison did, the first writer to do something fresh and exciting. I can remember my comic shop owner telling me to buy X-Men 114 and being totally blown away by it.
3) John Byrne: I feel bad for ranking Byrne so low but..... superb run and in 141 *the* best Comic cover *ever*
4) Art Adams: Art's X-Men work consists of 4 annuals: 9, 10, 12 & 14. And they are mind blowingly brilliant (even if 10 is a little tricky to place in continuity) The New Mutants as X-Men is an image fixed in my mind from 10 and his Terminus is 12 is something to behold.
5) John Romita Jr: John's first full issue was the first issue of X-Men I ever owned (176). I have a copy even now in my long boxes. Over his first run he did some fab work, leaving mid mutant massacre in the New Universe creative drain. Nimrod in 209. The best Colosus costume redesign in 192. Rachel as Phoenix in 199. And then, years later, he came back for another go c300.
Bubbling under: Alan Davis, Rick Leonardi (who I hated at the time and love now), Jim Lee (superb impact), Whilce Portacio (better on X-Factor tho) Joe Mad and many many others. X-Men's had some good artists over the years.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 17, 2012 19:37:44 GMT
I don't really have a favourite X-Men artist, in all honesty. X-Men has been more dominated by writers for me.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 18, 2012 9:24:15 GMT
See I started reading X-Men when Claremont was writing. And the artists denote very different eras in his run depending on who it was and how much creative input they were putting in. Claremont is always at his best when bouncing off a good artist..... I probably aught to have credited Byrne in the writers list.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 18, 2012 10:44:38 GMT
Indeed they do, I think it's why the Silvestri era is weakest as I don't think he had much input at all and was very much a junior partner.
Rick Leonardi is someone I rate quite highly. His work on Spider-Man 2099 is exceptional.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 18, 2012 12:17:33 GMT
When I was young I was always disapointed when Silvestri would bugger off for a couple of issues and Leonardi would come in. Now Silvestri does little for me (bar the earlier issues up to about 225) while Leonardi's art jumped off the page reading it in b&w in Essentials.
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Post by kayevcee on Jul 18, 2012 13:59:22 GMT
I'm sure Barry Windsor-Smith drew the issue where Storm lost her powers, and he drew at least one issue of the New Mutants on Asgard. I've always found his work breathtaking to behold.
Mr Quitely is also great. I have no strong opinions and very little awareness of others than those.
-Nick
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Post by jameso on Jul 18, 2012 14:24:39 GMT
X-Men:
Neal Adams
Jim Steranko (sp?)
Joe Mad
Frank Quitely
John Cassady
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 18, 2012 16:34:31 GMT
I'm sure Barry Windsor-Smith drew the issue where Storm lost her powers, and he drew at least one issue of the New Mutants on Asgard. I've always found his work breathtaking to behold. Mr Quitely is also great. I have no strong opinions and very little awareness of others than those. -Nick Storm looses her powers in 188 (John Rom Jr). The following issue is BWS and is double sized all about Storm & Forge. The NM in Asgard aspecial is Art Adams not BWS. There's some NM issues in Asgard much later but they're all Brett Breeding IIRC. BWS drew..... 186, 198... 205 and 214 marvel.wikia.com/Category:Barry_Windsor-Smith/Penciler |
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Post by Jim on Jul 18, 2012 16:41:34 GMT
I had no idea Steranko had had a (very) brief X-Men run until now, just googled it and it looks like good stuff.
I hadn't thought of Cassaday, he did lovely work on Astonishing.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 18, 2012 18:16:51 GMT
Never went for Cassadaay's Astonishing art.... But didn't like Astonishing that much
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 18, 2012 20:15:50 GMT
Sterenko's issues are bonkers!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 18, 2012 21:48:44 GMT
Astonishing looked pretty, but had no substance to it - very decompressed.
I love Steranko - if we do a Nick Fury artist he is the one to trump all.
Andy
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Post by Jim on Jul 18, 2012 23:15:06 GMT
Indeed, Whedon is nowhere near my list of top X-Men writers, and I suppose that's why Cassaday didn't occur to me at all. I just completely forgot about Astonishing, so slight it was. But it did look great!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 18, 2012 23:18:07 GMT
Oh yes that's I dare say the same for all of us. The story being so slender and lacking meant it didn't occur to me at all.
I do so love his art thought.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 19, 2012 7:01:47 GMT
I much prefer Extreme X-Men, the title it replaced, to Astonishing. Extreme at least had identity. And the first 20 or so issues with Salvadore LaRocca, using his original art style, are tops. Probably the last really good thing Claremont did. 19, with the X-Men sat round the dinner table, is a particular gem.
Actually credit to LaRocca too: really decent art. Shame the title fell apart when he left and they weren't allowed to give it the ending they wanted to.
Trades cost ££££ now. Needs an Ultimate Collection or 3.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 22, 2012 19:55:18 GMT
I have another one for this coming week if you're interested.....
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 22, 2012 20:09:35 GMT
Feel free, anyone can suggest a subject.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 22, 2012 20:33:08 GMT
I'll do this week then, and someone else can have a go next.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 23, 2012 6:11:30 GMT
This week on top 5 artists: Star Wars. Anything SW from Marvel through Dark Horse.
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