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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2008 20:28:34 GMT
I think he's the closest we get to a civilian appearing in more than one Bond film. Martin Actually, there was a bloke who appeared for comic relief in three Bond films. He can be seen drinking wine (or beer I can't remember which) in The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker and For Your Eyes Only and every time he looks bemused whenever Bond sails past him doing something silly. In Moonraker he is in the scene where Bond rides the Bondola on land. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 8, 2008 22:27:13 GMT
How much did I love Quantum?!!! Ace. Yeah not quite as good as Casino, but view as a sequel I thought it was fabaroony! I agree with what Dave said 'bout alot of the action scenes being too quick cut and jerky. But the scene in the auditorium was spooky I thought! The whole 'Quantum' thing was very mysterious. And Craig gives another great performance. Thumbs up from the Shockprowls!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 10, 2008 13:47:17 GMT
Saw this the other day. As a sequel it was enjoyable but if it had been a standalone I would be wondering where the story was. Well done for what it is though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2008 20:36:18 GMT
I watched Quantum of Solace at the weekend and couldn't believe what I was watching. Unlike a few people here I'll have to give the film a big thumbs down. If Bond wasn't beating people up he was shooting them dead or trying to run them off the road in a car that seemed to be largely invincible. Apart from the violence (of which there was too much) Bond also seems to posess bones made of cast iron and a limitless amount of energy otherwise how else would you explain Bond jumping from rooftop to rooftop chasing a villan without ever wearing out or taking any kind of injury from all of the jumps or falls he receives? I also thought the Mathis death scene was very unlike Bond. Previous Bonds would never of used a comrade as a human shield and then dumped the dead body in a rubbish skip before stealing his money.
Finally, where does this film and Casino Royale fit in with all of the other Bond films? The answer is nowhere. They can't fit before Dr. No (as the movie makers suggested upon the release of Casino Royale) because it is far too modern. It can't also fit after Die Another Die because Felix Leiter doesn't go from being a clean-shaven white man who has been mauled by a shark in Licence To Kill to a bearded able-bodied black man within the space of a few films. It is my opinion that this is a completly different continuity from the others and one that could easily be passed off as a Mafia-style film if you take out the Bond name.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 25, 2008 21:12:48 GMT
Yeah, that's right. Casino Royale made it clear that it was Bond's first mission and he'd never done any world-saving before. It's weird having Judi Dench as M in the Pierce Brosnan films, where Bond is a non-aging Cold War veteran who has saved the planet numerous times, still playing the same character with Daniel Craig's Bond just starting out his career.
But I'm with you, Zudobug. I don't like the Daniel Craig Bonds, because they lack the fun, silliness and outrageous concepts that I crave in my Bond films.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 25, 2008 21:30:11 GMT
I really enjoyed Casino Royale but have felt no urge to see Quantum of Solace in the cinema. Why? It's advertised as a sequel. Not interested. I like that every Bond film is a new adventure and Casino Royale had such a good ending I don't feel any need to see what happens next.
I'll check it out on the small screen, just not interested in a cinema trip.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 26, 2008 0:03:25 GMT
I kinda had the same thought at first. But, as a sequel, it's top notch, IMHO. And I found it particularly edgy. I know what you mean 'bout every Bond film should be it's own 'thing'. But, just to try something new, Quatum did a good job for me. Wonder if they'll do a trilogy. The Quantum Trilogy!
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 26, 2008 10:11:33 GMT
Oh, it's a Bond film and I still want to see it, but a cinema trip is very expensive for me currently so I'm a bit more picky than usual.
I'll give it a go on shiny disc.
-Ralph
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2008 11:07:26 GMT
Has anyone got any ideas as to what the next Bond film will be called? If they are going to nick story titles from Flemings stories then they only have (to my knowledge anyway) Risico and The Hildebrand Rarity. Risico however was used as part of the plot for the film For Your Eyes Only while bits of the Hildebrand Rarity was used for Licence To Kill. Other than that the producers only have the collection of Bond stories from John Gardner and Raymond Benson to fall back on. Either way I won't make much of an effort to watch the next Bond film.
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Post by Dave on Nov 29, 2008 13:40:30 GMT
If you're keeping it to Fleming titles then there's also 'The Property of a Lady' and '007 in New York', though the plot of the former was incorporated into the Octopussy film.
Even though they are happy to use JUST the title (as QOS showed) I doubt they'd use either of those two as the title of the next film.
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 30, 2008 23:58:52 GMT
007 in Skipton. Anyone? No?
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 3, 2008 11:26:56 GMT
I always saw each Bond as a new character. The name was a code name just like the 007. It generally makes more sense than the same guy running around for 40 or 50 years. And it means Craigs Bond makes perfect sense in the new worls order and so on.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 3, 2008 16:50:01 GMT
Nah, that doesn't really work. For one thing, as well as the name and number, there would have to be something to explain why the first five all had so much in common - the quips, the attitudes to women, etc. And there is some loose continuity between the first 20 films - Roger Moore avenges the death of George Lazenby's wife by killing Blofeld in the following film, for example. Judi Dench accuses Pierce Brosnan's Bond of being a relic of the Cold War. Felix is such an old friend to him that Timothy Dalton's Bond goes rogue to avenge the attack on him. And of course, in Die Another Day (the 20th film), Q gives Pierce Brosnan's Bond his 20th watch, while Bond reminisces over all the old gadgets from his previous adventures - Rosa Klebb's knife shoe from his Connery days, the jet pack from his Roger Moore days, etc. No, the first five Bonds were definitely supposed to be a single non-ageing Superman-type character.  Martin |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2008 20:54:55 GMT
I agree that the first 20 films were in the same continuity but after that you have to believe that the story starts over again with Casino Royale with a new James Bond in the Secret Service. Any Doctor Who fan would also probably suspect the prospect of regeneration for Bond as he has lived for all of these years and never aged.
The 60's parody film Casino Royale had several James Bonds so maybe a different Bond taking over from the original isn't such a crazy idea after all. In the novels Bond was nearing retirement in the Secret Service by about the sixth novel. In one book (I can't remember which one) he presides over the thought about only having to do about another six or seven missions before he hangs up his hat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 21:50:38 GMT
With only a few of the Ian Fleming Bond story titles left what do you think will be the title for the next Bond film?
Risico [ ] (0 votes, 0%)
The Hildebrand Rarity [ ] (0 votes, 0%)
Property of a Lady [ ] (0 votes, 0%)
007 in New York [ ] (0 votes, 0%)
A Quantum of Sausage [****************************************] (3 votes, 100%)
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 21, 2009 22:01:06 GMT
The Man with the Golden Sausage!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Jan 21, 2009 22:02:53 GMT
Perhaps they will plump for something like You only Sausage twice?
Karl
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2009 18:56:37 GMT
Dr Sausage
From Russia With Sausages
Thundersausage
Sausages are Forever
The Sausage Who Loved Me
Moonsausage
For Your Sausages Only
A View To A Sausage
The Living Sausages
The Sausage Is Not Enough
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 31, 2009 17:33:02 GMT
Impulse buy time again!
For a long time my Bond collection has consisted of six films in the black gun set (You Only Live Twice, Live and Let Die, For Your Eyes Only, Tomorrow Never Dies, The World is Not Enough and Die Another Day).
Today in Sainsbury's I succumbed to the old discount ploy, and have thus doubled my collection, by acquiring the Triple Agent gold-themed pack (containing Goldfinger, The Man With the Golden Gun and Goldeneye - thus completing my Pierce Brosnan run, hurrah!) plus three Connery Ultimate Editions - Dr No, From Russia With Love and Thunderball.
Let the joy bells ring!
Martin
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Post by Dave on Mar 23, 2009 12:07:56 GMT
If anyone's interested Tesco have Quantum of Solace for £7 but only until Wednesday.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 23, 2009 12:41:52 GMT
Could of done with knowing that this morning - paid a tenner for mine in Sainsburys
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Post by Dave on Mar 23, 2009 13:00:39 GMT
Just think of it as you doing your bit to postpone Britain becoming one giant Tesco superstore.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2009 23:27:14 GMT
I'm giving Quantum of Solace a wide berth as I found it appalling last time I watched it.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 25, 2009 18:15:13 GMT
I'm watching my 14 Bond films (Connery #1-5, Moore #1-5, Brosnan #1-4) in chronological order, and will post my thoughts briefly on them as I go. Watched 'Dr No' last night and 'From Russia With Love' today.
'Dr No' - 10/10 - flawless film. The best scene is Bond's first appearance, at the card table in his club, immediately cementing him as a fantasy figure for all red-blooded males: one beautiful woman at a table otherwise populated by men, but who only has eyes for Bond, who wins every hand. Bond is called away on urgent secret business, the woman follows him. They arrange to play golf the following day, but he gets back to his apartment to find her there that evening, unable to wait, and wearing only a shirt. Ha! (As a point of trivia, Sylvia Trench is the only girlfriend of Bond's to be with him in more than one film.) Other highlights of the film include the interview with M, in which he receives his Walther PPK, the famous entrance of Honey Ryder, and every scene featuring Dr No himself. OK, so Bond doesn't have any gadgets of his own yet, but the bad guys make up for it with a mechanical dragon, a secret nuclear island base and a leader with mechanical hands. Bond kills two enemies in cold blood in the course of the film, giving him a harder edge than the average hero.
'From Russia With Love' - 6/10 - more plot-driven than scene-driven, and lacking a lot of the atmosphere of its predecessor in my view. Probably would deserve a higher rating if I weren't judging it by Bond criteria (_my_ Bond criteria). A little slow in some parts. Best scene of the film - the introduction of Q, and his exploding briefcase. I found the heroine a bit wet, and the musclebound villain rather dull and un-scary. Rosa Klebb is superbly grotesque, however, and we see Blofeld and his cat for the first time (but not Blofeld's face). A nice bit of continuity as they refer to SPECTRE's need to avenge the death of their agent Dr No in the previous film. And - gypsy catfight. Can't argue with that. It really is a good story, but just not sufficiently larger-than-life and over-the-top for me when it comes to Bond.
Tonight, however, I can't complain on those scores as I view Bond #3... 'Goldfinger'!
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 25, 2009 18:33:12 GMT
Both of those films I found ok as a kid but they never held my interest anywhere near as much as later stuff, but which I really like as an adult, especially FRWL: the fight on the train! Ouch!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 25, 2009 20:24:38 GMT
James Bond #3 'Goldfinger' - 9/10 - "Shocking." "No, Mr Bond, I expect you to die!" "My name is Pussy Galore." James Bond in wetsuit with model duck on his head, and tuxedo underneath. Transforming conference chamber with control panel under rotating pool table and wall screen showing plan of Fort Knox. Henchman who decapitates people with his hat. Villain who despatches foes by coating them in gold paint or putting their car in a car crusher with them inside it. Nuclear bomb to defuse as seconds tick down to zero. Car with built-in smokescreen, oil-slick, machine-guns, tyre slashers and ejector seat. _This_ is what James Bond is about. 007 isn't quite at the height of his superpowers yet, as he is unable to effect his own escape from the laser beam chamber, comes a cropper in the car chase, fails miserably with the homing devices and doesn't know what to do with the bomb. However, his powers over women are fully active, and he turns Pussy Galore to the side of good, which leads to the day being won.
Edit: Hmmm, word censor at work.
Martin
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 25, 2009 20:59:09 GMT
Fixed now Martin.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 25, 2009 21:31:55 GMT
Goldfinger remains my favourite Bond flick.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Mar 25, 2009 21:45:55 GMT
I have a place in my heart for Goldfinger. It has a really good villian, whose plan is clever than it first appears and who gets some fantastic dialogue. The "Do you expect me to talk Goldfinger?"/"No Mr Bond. I expect you to die" exchange is one of my favourite Bond exchanges.
I have a lot of time for From Russia with Love as well. It stands as an example of a different species of Bond film, one more tied to the traditions of conventional espionage fiction. It is a lot less theatrical than most of the other films in the series, and concerned more with the mundanity of the espionage business - ciphers that will be replaced within weeks of being broken, and the temporary edge that you can gain from being able to read them in the interim. I tend to judge it by a different set of criteria to something like Thunderball or Goldeneye - I don't treat them as being the same animal really.
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 25, 2009 22:10:26 GMT
QofS: Didn't really feel like a bond film.
My faves ? First three Moore films.
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