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Post by The Doctor on Sept 18, 2008 16:48:59 GMT
I enjoyed it when I saw it in the cinema, mostly for Brosnan and the laser from space. I tend to like Bond films on the big screen. I haven't watched it since as I didn't think it would hold up to repeated viewings.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2008 10:56:43 GMT
I also think that Die Another Day was one of the worst Bond films I have ever seen. It substitutes common sense and logic for special effects and action.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 20, 2008 14:28:00 GMT
It substitutes common sense and logic for special effects and action. Common sense and logic are not qualities I associate with or consider important for any James Bond film. Special effects and action, however, have always been a key ingredient. I can see why fans of the books may consider Die Another Day to be a betrayal or departure, but it was very much in keeping with most of the other films in terms of lack of realism for the era in which it was set. Martin |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2008 18:02:40 GMT
It had a bigger lack of realism than what the other Bond films had. Bond walking into a hotel looking like a tramp and asking for his usual suite, the impossibly ridiculous invisible car, Bond starting up a helicopter in freefall two seconds before it hits the ground. Come on, I expected better from the film. Sure other Bond films have lacks of realism (Octopussy springs to mind) but this one takes the biscuit.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 20, 2008 20:39:08 GMT
I love all the things you list, for their ridiculousness, especially the tramp/hotel scene, which Brosnan performs so suavely. In You Only Live Twice we had a volcano base that opens up to launch rockets that eat other rockets. In Live and Let Die we had voodoo magic powers. In The Spy Who Loved Me we had a car that turned into a submarine. In Moonraker we had a battle in space between two armies armed with laser guns. In Goldeneye we had Bond leap off a cliff after a falling plane, catch up with it in freefall, climb inside, start it up and pull up at the last second. In The World is Not Enough we had x-ray sun-glasses. As for the invisible car, see the third item here. Martin |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2008 16:33:32 GMT
Some of those things you list aren't as ridiculous as you might think.
Voodoo is still practised in Haiti in certain sections of the country and I'm sure some mad inventor created a car that changed into a submarine once (I either read it in the paper or saw it on Tomorrows World once). As for X-ray sunglasses I'm sure that they are not out of the realms of possibility considering how fast technology is progressing these days.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 14, 2008 10:23:21 GMT
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Post by Nigel on Oct 14, 2008 14:32:01 GMT
It just goes to show, you should always keep an eye on your nick nacks.
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Post by legios on Oct 14, 2008 16:03:20 GMT
It just goes to show, you should always keep an eye on your nick nacks. And beware of people who come around regarding Odd-Jobs? Karl |
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Post by Nigel on Oct 14, 2008 18:22:19 GMT
Too far, Karl, too far.
Goodnight.
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Post by legios on Oct 14, 2008 18:53:16 GMT
See for once someone on the Hub wasn't actually going for innuendo....
In fact, I didn't even register any potential for innuendo until you drew my attention to it there.
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Post by kayevcee on Oct 14, 2008 23:07:46 GMT
That can't be right!
I've placed an order anyway. Ought to make an excellent Christmas present for somebody (assuming they follow through with it).
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 15, 2008 10:36:06 GMT
The listing has been fixed overnight. Now reads £99.99.
Drats. I had been tempted. It really was £9.99 last night!
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Post by Nigel on Oct 15, 2008 11:20:14 GMT
See for once someone on the Hub wasn't actually going for innuendo.... In fact, I didn't even register any potential for innuendo until you drew my attention to it there. Karl Eh? Are you referring to sexual innuendo, something to do with jobs? Because I wasn't. "Nick nacks" was a witty pun using "knick-knacks" referring to the missing prop and Nick Nack, the character from The Man With The Golden Gun. Extending the wordplay with an unrelated character from another film was taking the joke too far. Fortunately, I managed to rescue the situation with my play on Britt Ekland's character.  |
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Post by legios on Oct 15, 2008 11:50:34 GMT
[ Eh? Are you referring to sexual innuendo, something to do with jobs? Because I wasn't. "Nick nacks" was a witty pun using "knick-knacks" referring to the missing prop and Nick Nack, the character from The Man With The Golden Gun. Extending the wordplay with an unrelated character from another film was taking the joke too far. Fortunately, I managed to rescue the situation with my play on Britt Ekland's character. Ah, I stand corrected. I managed to misread you completely there - yes you clearly saw exactly what I was actually doing but I misinterpreted what you thought I was doing... It's all got too confusing for me now. I'm away for a liedown and rest my poor tired old brain. Karl |
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Post by Nigel on Oct 15, 2008 12:22:51 GMT
You must be nicknackered!
Too far, Nigel, too far......
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 15, 2008 14:02:37 GMT
I of course saw filth in Karl's post straightaway.
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Post by Nigel on Oct 15, 2008 16:36:12 GMT
Filth? Karl's post? Must. Resist. Innunendo. Urge.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 30, 2008 20:25:04 GMT
I made the mistake of giving Die Another Day another whirl. As I had feared, outside of the big screen environment, it falls flat as a pancake. Even Brosnan looks bored. Oh well.
The giant laser from space was still good though.
I may have to watch another Bond film soon to redress the balance!
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Post by Dave on Oct 31, 2008 18:25:31 GMT
Saw Quantum of Solace today. Didn't actually know anything about the film going in having avoided all trailers and reports (though this was unintentional). I had heard that it wasn't going to be anything like the short story though did wonder if it would be incorporated as a scene (like Living Daylights). I did think that was unlikely and I was right. I suppose there may have been some references tucked in somewhere but it's been a while since I read it. I'm not sure what length the film was but it seemed to just whizz by. Overall it was good but not up to the standard of Casino Royale, plus for some of the action scenes they opted to do that annoying thing of using lots of fast cuts so you're not too sure what's actually happened.  |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 31, 2008 20:32:03 GMT
I also saw Quantum of Solace today, and it was a decent film, but like Casino Royale it doesn't really push my Bond buttons. It feels more like the Bourne films than a Bond film, with lots and lots of running and chasing and getting bruises and shaky camera angles.
It was also quite short for a Bond film but not terribly so (1 hour 45).
There were no gadgets, which makes Craig's Bond feel like a Superman who can leap tall buildings but not fly, or a Spider-Man who can run up walls but not swing between skyscrapers. It's frustrating , making me feel like shouting at him to stop messing about and press the button on his watch to shoot out a grappling hook, or flip a switch on his dashboard to make his car sprout wings. He doesn't seem to enjoy himself at any point in the film either, which all the other Bonds do. Maybe he has gadget withdrawal.
To even the odds, the villains don't have any space stations or ice palaces or subterranean lairs or strong henchmen with metal teeth either. Ho hum.
Like Casino Royale, worth seeing once but quite forgettable.
To repeat Ralph's words, I may have to watch another Bond film soon to redress the balance. Die Another Day would do, only I've seen it too recently...
I will admit that Die Another Day left the first film franchise without much of a place to go. After saving the world twenty times, that Bond was starting to make it look effortless - as one would, if one had accomplished everything he accomplished in those twenty films. Unlike most Hubbers, I find DAD a satisfying conclusion and the logical progression from all the character's previous escapades (particularly with all the homages and references to previous films that it contained), but can't really see what that character could have done next.
They therefore decided to re-boot the continuity, taking Bond back to before he had built up the superpowers he gradually built up over those twenty films. Except... he's no longer a spy whose career was shaped during the Cold War, like Fleming's Bond and the original film Bond. He's now a spy who begins his career in the 21st Century.
So what is there about Daniel Craig's character that warrants the name James Bond, except to draw audiences? He has more of Spooks and Jason Bourne about him than James Bond.
But maybe he'll get some gadgets and a villain with a cat and undersea headquarters next time.
The bit at the opera where he showed up the silly fools having a meeting through radio earplugs was good, and had shades of the kick-ass super-spy of earlier films. That was the high point for me.
The essence of Bond, absent from the last two films:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 11:45:35 GMT
A workmate pointed out to me yesterday that if you played around with the names Oddjob and Blofeld you'd get Oddfeld and Blojob! The latter would make a fitting character for an Austin Powers movie.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 1, 2008 22:40:10 GMT
The Man with the Golden Gun was put on this evening. You can't go wrong with Christopher Lee as the world's deadliest assasin, and his evil midget servant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2008 20:09:55 GMT
I'm not particularily fond of The Man With The Golden Gun but a workmate loves it for two reasons. First it has Christopher Lee in it (he grew up watching Lee in the old Hammer Horror films and as such is a big fan of his films) and second, it has Clifton T James playing a stereotypical bumbling American cop.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 4, 2008 20:21:43 GMT
Christopher Lee makes anything good!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 4, 2008 21:19:10 GMT
He does indeed make many a poor film enjoyable.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 4, 2008 22:08:50 GMT
Speaking of Lee. ITV4 at 11 tonight - The Devil Rides Out - he actually plays a good guy!!!
Andy
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 5, 2008 8:37:30 GMT
I'm not particularily fond of The Man With The Golden Gun but a workmate loves it for two reasons. First it has Christopher Lee in it (he grew up watching Lee in the old Hammer Horror films and as such is a big fan of his films) and second, it has Clifton T James playing a stereotypical bumbling American cop. Clifton James played Sheriff JW Pepper in two films. The first was Live and Let Die, and he was much funnier in that. I think he's the closest we get to a civilian appearing in more than one Bond film. Martin |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 5, 2008 17:11:21 GMT
For those that missed it - The Devil Rides Out is repeated tonight at 10 again on ITV4.
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