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Politics
Jun 9, 2017 4:05:57 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jun 9, 2017 4:05:57 GMT
This is looking interesting!
How come the Tories made a load of gains in Scotland? I thought that was always a traditionally SNP or Lab area?
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 9, 2017 5:36:08 GMT
I dont thing the SNP should have pushed another referendum when they did.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 9, 2017 5:40:29 GMT
A big moral boost for the Labour government here in Wales.
Martin
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Post by legios on Jun 9, 2017 5:54:34 GMT
Well, this certainly isn't the mornng I expected to have woken up to when I turned in just after midnight last night!
Karl
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 9, 2017 6:10:41 GMT
*sigh*
I am quite happy, but..
Imagine how much better this could have been if the PLP hadnt spent 2 years trying to destroy Corbyn.
Also stupid labour running against Zac Goldsmith. 45 bloody votes.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 9, 2017 6:18:28 GMT
I am quite happy, but.. Imagine how much better this could have been if the PLP hadnt spent 2 years trying to destroy Corbyn. Or if the Labour membership had elected a leader that would have done even better than Corbyn. Who knows what might have been? Nobody. Corbyn was absent from the Welsh Labour campaign, with the First Minister very much the figurehead. Corbyn can't take the credit for Labour's success here, and he made little headway in Scotland. Edit: But I'll grudgingly admit he has turned out to be far less unelectable than I thought he was. Martin (disappointed Lib Dem voter) |
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 9, 2017 6:24:41 GMT
True but I can not imagine any of the other candidates doing that or getting the kinds of crowds Corbyn has. Nor can I see they would have led to an actual left wing manifesto which does seem to have been a big factor in their relative success.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 9, 2017 6:43:30 GMT
I reckon Andy Burnham might have beaten Theresa May. The hard left wouldn't have turned out for him, but he'd have nicked more of the votes of the people who voted Tory yesterday. Dunno.
But another angle is this: If the PLP had _not_ tried to topple Corbyn, and if Labour had _not_ looked weak and divided before this election was announced, then Theresa May wouldn't have called the election and she would still be in power with a majority this morning and three more years. The minority Conservative party we have this morning is entirely thanks to Labour being in a terrible place right up until the day the election was called. Theresa May probably wouldn't have risked it against either a more moderate Labour leader or a party united behind Corbyn.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2017 6:50:02 GMT
Why the fuck has May not resigned???
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 9, 2017 6:55:14 GMT
Yeah I had had that thought too. And Burnham was the best of the other candidates, but if he had got the job May may not have called the election, as you say, who knows what might have been.
I think Im just frustrated that we got so close to the conservatives being unable to put together a majority coalition. A couple of election pacts between Labour and the Lib dems would have done it.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 9, 2017 6:55:15 GMT
Also stupid labour running against Zac Goldsmith. 45 bloody votes. My former constituency. Have I told the tale of it's electoral history here? |
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 9, 2017 6:55:47 GMT
Why the fuck has May not resigned??? -Ralph Shes going to hang on for dear life, screw the country. |
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 9, 2017 6:56:20 GMT
Also stupid labour running against Zac Goldsmith. 45 bloody votes. My former constituency. Have I told the tale of it's electoral history here? You have not |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2017 6:57:38 GMT
SNP won my area though a very narrow lead over the Tories, which is utterly mad!
-Ralph
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Politics
Jun 9, 2017 6:58:30 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jun 9, 2017 6:58:30 GMT
Why the fuck has May not resigned??? -Ralph Strong and stable!!!!! |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2017 7:00:53 GMT
Why the fuck has May not resigned??? -Ralph Shes going to hang on for dear life, screw the country. I suspect, however, that her Party may make the decision for her. She called an election that was not required when the Tories had a majority that they have now lost. It would be mad if she stayed. -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 9, 2017 7:04:28 GMT
My former constituency. Have I told the tale of it's electoral history here? You have not Once upon a time there were three constituancies: Richmond & Twickenham, Kingston and Surbiton. All three were solidly conservative. Kingston, my constituency, had a chap you may have heard of as it's sitting MP, Norman Lamont, actually quite a good local politician. Norman went up in the world, had his falling out with John Major, and found his constituency split in two at the next general election with the constituancies becoming Twickenham, Richmond Park and Kingston & Surbiton. All three went lib dem in 1997 at their first polling and remained so till the Tories regained power in 2010 - Twickenham held out to 2015 when Vince Cable lost. I can remember VERY clearly a discussion in church small group before 97 between two life long labour supporters here as to which way they should vote: Labour, because it's what they believe in, or Lib Dem because it would get the Tories out. The BBC site won't run on my iPad during an election, something to do with the Graphics. Who got the Swindon seats? |
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 9, 2017 7:06:26 GMT
Oh yeah shes gone its only a matter of time. But they'll figure out a coalition first. Then start stabbing her in the back.
Ive been quite certain Cameron had proven himself the worst PM EVAR! by using a referendum to try settling his party, but May triggering Article 50 then deciding to have an election really is challenging for the title.
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 9, 2017 7:08:40 GMT
Once upon a time there were three constituancies: Richmond & Twickenham, Kingston and Surbiton. All three were solidly conservative. Kingston, my constituency, had a chap you may have heard of as it's sitting MP, Norman Lamont, actually quite a good local politician. Norman went up in the world, had his falling out with John Major, and found his constituency split in two at the next general election with the constituancies becoming Twickenham, Richmond Park and Kingston & Surbiton. All three went lib dem in 1997 at their first polling and remained so till the Tories regained power in 2010 - Twickenham held out to 2015 when Vince Cable lost. I can remember VERY clearly a discussion in church small group before 97 between two life long labour supporters here as to which way they should vote: Labour, because it's what they believe in, or Lib Dem because it would get the Tories out. The BBC site won't run on my iPad during an election, something to do with the Graphics. Who got the Swindon seats? I saw the Torys got one... and .. yeah they got both. Though the one I saw Labour had made big gains from 2 years ago. Edit: Swindon South labour only lost by 2500. |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2017 7:09:19 GMT
I'm loving how May thinks this result "gives a period of stability". Is she insane???
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 9, 2017 7:10:38 GMT
Of course she is. You could see that every time she had to interact with people.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2017 7:12:22 GMT
If only Lord Buckethead and Elmo had teamed up in her constituency.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 9, 2017 7:18:13 GMT
Lord Bucketheads manifesto is amazing.
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 9, 2017 7:18:59 GMT
He had a few challengers on here mind you.
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Politics
Jun 9, 2017 9:09:56 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jun 9, 2017 9:09:56 GMT
I'm loving how May thinks this result "gives a period of stability". Is she insane??? -Ralph What if we get rid of all elections, that would be extra stable!!! |
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Post by Dezzeh on Jun 9, 2017 9:34:23 GMT
Looks like its conservative/DUP. Bit disappointing but as it everything in politics for the last 2 years.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 9, 2017 9:40:17 GMT
This is looking interesting! How come the Tories made a load of gains in Scotland? I thought that was always a traditionally SNP or Lab area? No. Majority Labour, but there have usually been pockets of Conservatives, quite often near wealthy farming/fishing areas. Perth for example used to always return Tory. The Major years, combined with Blair seizing a lot of the Tory ground saw that diminished. The last GE was something of an outlier result in Scotland. Scottish Labour's campaigning has been woeful. The SNP pushing for Indyref2 has probably cost them, combined with what appears to be the younger electorate getting behind Corbyn. Andy |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 9, 2017 9:42:07 GMT
Stayed up till 3 following the Election, was trying to stay awake until Amber Rudd stopped demanding recounts and lost her seat. Sadly she scraped through.
I can't see Theresa May lasting too long, of course she is going to try and hang on, but the sharks can smell blood.
Andy
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Post by browny87 on Jun 9, 2017 11:08:21 GMT
Whichever way you look at it, this is a huge Labour victory, they were talking about disbanding into two separate parties only 6 months ago and the end of labour was rumored.
The really interesting thing now will be without a majority realistically, the Tories wont be able to push much through at all. So what is really going to get done?
A lot of tories were umming and ahhing about a lot of their recent policies but with such a thin majority it only takes a few and nothing passes!
I didnt imagine it would be this close but now it is i just wish labour had 5 more seats cause that would've really shafted the tories!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 9, 2017 11:19:16 GMT
This is looking interesting! How come the Tories made a load of gains in Scotland? I thought that was always a traditionally SNP or Lab area? They both made indyref2 *the* issue for core motivated supporters who would actually go out and vote. Not that SNP supporters would have let Sturgeon get away with anything else which I'm sure she was well aware of but had little choice. This polarised the choices harshly this time round from the look of it. And as Andy says it has been outlier results lately and there's been history of simmering Tory voting in the more well off areas. |
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