|
|
Post by blueshift on Apr 27, 2014 8:06:41 GMT
Those Tankor and Rattrap figures look lovely. The pack-in comics make me sad how Hasbro has been forcing IDW to stick in characters that are clearly not G1 into their G1 comic though. I can see the sense from a marketing perspective, but it feels like there should be a better solution (especially as, the comics dont' have Armada Starscream as Armada Starscream, or Tankor as actual canon Tankor (I ASSUME, UNLESS HE IS SECRETLY RHINOX) which seemingly defeats the purpose.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bogatan on Apr 27, 2014 8:55:50 GMT
Those Tankor and Rattrap figures look lovely. The pack-in comics make me sad how Hasbro has been forcing IDW to stick in characters that are clearly not G1 into their G1 comic though. I can see the sense from a marketing perspective, but it feels like there should be a better solution (especially as, the comics dont' have Armada Starscream as Armada Starscream, or Tankor as actual canon Tankor (I ASSUME, UNLESS HE IS SECRETLY RHINOX) which seemingly defeats the purpose. Oh now I absolutely love it. Rather than being another G1 IDW becomes a giant playbox where characters from any toyline can join in. First it makes it that much more like the old Marvel comics, but more importantly it means I get to read characters like Rattrap and Waspinator that aren't going to get their own Beast Wars comic any time soon. Armada Starscream I thought was handled quite well in truth. G1 and Armada Starscream are pretty similar characters, the only difference that comes to mind is that as the show progressed Armada SS began to see the light and question his own actions and thats very similar to what IDW SS is doing during his Armada body phase. I'd feel differently if IDW Scavenger or Smokescreen suddenly appeared in Armada Scavenger and Smokescreen bodies, unless it coincided with a change in behaviour that reflected the Armada characters which in those cases might be a stretch. But if IDW Cyclonus went completely (more) mental, I could imagine him acting like his Armada namesake and would make me want even more to see him and Whirl in a buddy road trip type plot. |
|
|
|
Post by blueshift on Apr 27, 2014 10:36:17 GMT
Armada Starscream I thought was handled quite well in truth. G1 and Armada Starscream are pretty similar characters, the only difference that comes to mind is that as the show progressed Armada SS began to see the light and question his own actions and thats very similar to what IDW SS is doing during his Armada body phase. Armada Starscream and G1 Starscream are completely opposite characters. That is what I liked about Armada, especially as everyone apart from Alexis went around acting as if he was scheming, backstabbing cowardly G1 Starscream when in fact he was just a decent guy trying to make a good job out of it. Also my mum told me never to mix up toylines when I was playing  |
|
|
|
Post by Toph on Apr 27, 2014 14:58:17 GMT
Those Tankor and Rattrap figures look lovely. The pack-in comics make me sad how Hasbro has been forcing IDW to stick in characters that are clearly not G1 into their G1 comic though. I can see the sense from a marketing perspective, but it feels like there should be a better solution (especially as, the comics dont' have Armada Starscream as Armada Starscream, or Tankor as actual canon Tankor (I ASSUME, UNLESS HE IS SECRETLY RHINOX) which seemingly defeats the purpose. This. Beast Era characters do not belong in a G1 setting. Especially given the writers in this case are complete shit with them. Waspinator can randomly control metroplex??? Rattrap is a traitor lackey to Starscream??? WTF??? And neither are very good portrayals. Besides, BW is the future of G1. It's like putting Picard or Riker in the new Star Trek movies, just because they're popular characters. Sure it's not "ToS" exactly, but it's just wrong when those characters belong in a different time in the same universe. And I find the corruption of Armadascream into G1 Scream to be equally disrespectful. I'm so sick of G1 at this point I could scream. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SHOEHORNED INTO GEEWUN! Every other era of TF is EQUALLY valid, and just as wonderful! There's more to this franchise than G1, Movie, and Aligned. Which is why IDW should have reintroduced Spotlight ages ago as an ongoing standalone anthology. Give them something they can play around with in any continuity and stick the hasbro toys in it. You don't end up with awkwardly forcing things where they don't belong because hasbro says "sell this guy." Especially since Waspinator, Rattrap, and Armadascream are infinitely more interesting characters than G1 starscream, and the new "geewun" wasp and rattrap. End rant. I feel better, that's been building for a long time. |
|
|
|
Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 27, 2014 15:41:52 GMT
This. Beast Era characters do not belong in a G1 setting. I suspect this is an order from "on high" from Hasbro to put these characters into the comics that IDW have had to comply with. Note that all three have been put in RID! |
|
|
|
Post by blueshift on Apr 27, 2014 15:45:22 GMT
This. Beast Era characters do not belong in a G1 setting. I suspect this is an order from "on high" from Hasbro to put these characters into the comics that IDW have had to comply with. Note that all three have been put in RID! And it's clearly less of a risk just to drop those characters into an existing comic than making a special one-shot just to fulfil a contractual obligation. |
|
|
|
Post by Bogatan on Apr 27, 2014 15:46:46 GMT
]This. Beast Era characters do not belong in a G1 setting. Especially given the writers in this case are complete shit with them. Waspinator can randomly control metroplex??? Rattrap is a traitor lackey to Starscream??? WTF??? And neither are very good portrayals. Besides, BW is the future of G1. No it wasn't. Beast Wars the cartoon decided it was the future of Marvel and Sunbows G1. This is not Marvel or Sunbow G1 nor is it Beast Wars Mainframe. Anyway the first Beast Wars toys and fiction are very clearly set as part of G1. So if anything IDW are sticking to something closer to the original intent. It's like putting Picard or Riker in the new Star Trek movies, just because they're popular characters. Sure it's not "ToS" exactly, but it's just wrong when those characters belong in a different time in the same universe. No it's not. IDW did not reboot the marvel comics or the Sunbow cartoon. (also Picard or Riker could quite easily have travelled back in time with old Spock). They created an all new universe with all new back story. All that survived was a version of the characters based (usually) on tech spec, comic or cartoon. Given that blank slate I honestly cant understand why people have a problem incorporating as wide a range of characters as possible. I get it if you don't like the interpretation of some of them like Rattrap (personally he feels just as sneaky as in Beast Wars and in the context of RID I didn't question his behaviour), but there are plenty of G1 characters that have gone through far bigger changes. Galvatron isn't Megatron for example. Cyclonus as a character feels very different than previous versions. And I find the corruption of Armadascream into G1 Scream to be equally disrespectful. I'm so sick of G1 at this point I could scream. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SHOEHORNED INTO GEEWUN! Every other era of TF is EQUALLY valid, and just as wonderful! There's more to this franchise than G1, Movie, and Aligned. I find it helps not thinking of it as G1, I try and treat it the way I treated G1 before G2 came along to define it as G1. It's just a world of Transformers were anything can happen. I admit the Armada Stascream from the cartoon is short changed a bit, I think theres decent echoing of him in RID, but the original Armada Starscream tech spec on the box is a fairly generic Starscream profile. At the end of the day Hasbro made a new version of Armada Starscream, if you are a fan of the character or the original version of the toy you have a chance to own a new version of it. Does it matter that for a few issues a comic uses the appearance for a version of the character that isn't identical to the cartoon? Which is why IDW should have reintroduced Spotlight ages ago as an ongoing standalone anthology. Give them something they can play around with in any continuity and stick the hasbro toys in it. You don't end up with awkwardly forcing things where they don't belong because hasbro says "sell this guy." Especially since Waspinator, Rattrap, and Armadascream are infinitely more interesting characters than G1 starscream, and the new "geewun" wasp and rattrap. End rant. I feel better, that's been building for a long time. If IDW felt Beast Wars or Armada comics would sell I'm sure we'd get some in some form, but until there is that popular demand I'd rather be able to enjoy characters from those lines in any way I can get them. Yeah I think this discussion is in the wrong thread at this point.  |
|
|
|
Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 27, 2014 16:06:31 GMT
ask and it shall be given unto you
|
|
|
|
Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 27, 2014 16:31:10 GMT
Waspinator: The ability to communicate with the Titans does seem to be an ongoing plot thread and not confined to just Waspinator.
Tankor's just some background guy and they did play with it marvelously in the bar scene in Wingblade
Rattrap.... Rattrap wherever he was would do whatever necessary to ensure his survival. Don't forget his function is a Spy so for all we know at the moment he's been inserted into the Starscream admin by Prowl to undermine him!
The other "out of toyrange" character we've seen is Sky Byte and he's been great everytime he appears.
|
|
|
|
Post by blueshift on Apr 27, 2014 16:55:55 GMT
For me it's more the principle than the execution. However much you try and insert a Beast Wars character into a clearly G1 setting, it's like hammering a square peg into a round hole. My brain just rebels at the idea.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bogatan on Apr 27, 2014 17:09:59 GMT
It might have something to do with me always thinking of Beast Wars biological modes being a variant on Pretender technology, admittedly something that hasn't gone terribly well in IDW, but I've never seen it as an issue.
|
|
|
|
Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 27, 2014 17:10:12 GMT
Would it be different if it was say Razorbeast who wasn't in the Cartoon? Or, an even better example, Iguanus?
|
|
|
|
Post by Bogatan on Apr 27, 2014 17:20:26 GMT
Tako Tank!
|
|
|
|
Post by blueshift on Apr 27, 2014 17:31:21 GMT
Would it be different if it was say Razorbeast who wasn't in the Cartoon? Or, an even better example, Iguanus? I would be the same if it were Razorbeast as I had his toy and he had a big role in the IDW Beast Wars comic, but not for Iguanus who I probably wouldn't recognise. It's just that I see an out-of-era character and I get all sorts of alarm bells going off in my head, trained from years of terrible fan multiverse crossovers. Not stating anything about the quality of these comics mind, they are very good, it is just a natural reaction. |
|
|
|
Post by Toph on Apr 27, 2014 17:38:35 GMT
For me it's more the principle than the execution. However much you try and insert a Beast Wars character into a clearly G1 setting, it's like hammering a square peg into a round hole. My brain just rebels at the idea. Again, this. Would it be different if it was say Razorbeast who wasn't in the Cartoon? Or, an even better example, Iguanus? For me, not really. Though iguanus is a grey area since there already is a G1 dude by that name. To be clear, i don't have an issue with entirely new characters (except when they're pretty lame like Drift), or characters originating in other continuities getting a retcon G1 treatment like Bulkhead, Sideburn, Barricade, or Demolishor. But Maximals and Predacons have their own thing going thats hundreds, if not millions of years into the future. Also, I don't mind Beast Era showing up in non-g1 continuities. UT, Aligned, Animated, movie, the real RiD. These don't bother me. But IDW is a G1 continuity. And like Blue said, it's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. As for Sky-byte, I don't like it. But mainly because I feel he and his predacons fit better with the beast era portion of G1. Perhaps aping CR some and stating they're time travelers would eliminate and trepidation I have. |
|
|
|
Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 27, 2014 17:46:18 GMT
I've added a poll
|
|
|
|
Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 27, 2014 17:48:34 GMT
But Maximals and Predacons have their own thing going thats hundreds, if not millions of years into the future. In the cartoon version of G1. The IDW version is different perhaps? |
|
|
|
Post by blueshift on Apr 27, 2014 18:00:16 GMT
Well obviously it is different, but I think to me, the whole Beast Wars cartoon setup was so iconic to Beast Wars that I honestly can't get over those same characters looking like that being used in a different way. It's like a mental roadblock. (Though I would be fine with, say, Rattrap with that Cybertronian bike mode). And yes, I know the original minicomic was different. This is not a logic thing.
It's like if Death's Head suddenly were to turn up looking exactly the same but with a Decepticon logo slapped on him and treated like another Decepticon. My brain would be going 'Woop! Woop! Woop!' even if in just that context it was absolutely fine.
|
|
|
|
Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 27, 2014 18:14:00 GMT
To me Skybyte works better than the other three because when he showed up he wasn't obviously there because of his new toy.
Don't forget before now Starscream and Skywarp have sported tehir FoC look in the comic because that was the current toy look
|
|
|
|
Post by Toph on Apr 27, 2014 18:17:36 GMT
I can't possibly make a better response than Blue. He nailed it, again.
There is no accurate answer for me in the poll.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bogatan on Apr 27, 2014 18:29:18 GMT
I don't think I would care any way but the Beast Wars cartoon was my third version of the story, following the TMUK fanzine and the mini-comic.
A far bigger reason is likely that the first waves of Beast Wars toys joined right in with all my other Transformers from 84-95, thankfully there's no mental block there for me.
|
|
|
|
Post by blueshift on Apr 27, 2014 18:32:23 GMT
The end of G2/start of Beast Wars was when I was totally out of the fandom. I came back at around Beast Machines season 2, so the cartoon has always been its own unique and very distinct entity. Especially because of the emphasis it put on not being G1, and its relationship to G1 as something that was very separate. It's just odd to find the characters popping up in G1.
That said, if I was running IDW and Hasbro ordered me to stick them in the G1 comic, I can't say I'd have done anything different. It's a bit of a no-win scenario, but I firmly believe that if you want to have a product to be proud of, you have to let the writers have total artistic control. Barely any comic company or corporate paymaster seems to understand that.
|
|
|
|
Post by legios on Apr 27, 2014 19:02:08 GMT
I've voted "no opinion" on this one, because to me I don't have a strong "yes" or "no" on this, due to the fact that I don't really find "G1" meaningful in this context.
Let me try (and probably fail) to elucidate:-
I find the term "G1" quite hard to parse in my head these days. When I first came into the fandom it seemed to be a fairly clear term - it appeared that it encompassed all the things that had been released before Generation 2 - so it took in the Sunbow Cartoon, the Marvel Comic, Headmasters, Chojin Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, and the toys released in those years - leaving anything from Generation 2 onwards to get an appellation of its own due to its "post G2 released" nature. I never felt the term had any other categorical usefulness as it seemed to lump in together things that weren't particularly related other than by their release dates (Chojin Masterforce for example has relatively little in common with the Sunbow show in my opinion - in fact I'd say it has more in common with Beast Machines than it does with the rest of "G1").
So when IDW's comic series first launched I just saw it as a new version of Transformers in its own right - I wouldn't say it relates to the Sunbow cartoon in any real way, or to the Marvel Comic. Or to anything else which has historically been labelled "G1". It draws heavily on the toy bios for the characterisation of some of the characters, but the fictional setting and the approach is not particularly like anything we've seen before (with the partial exception of "All Hail Megatron", which did appear to want to draw its inspiration from the Sunbow show quite heavily. I don't see that the IDW show bears any more - and arguably less - relationship to previous Transformers stuff than Beast Wars did (which by authorial intent was a sequel to neither the Marvel Comic or Sunbow show - having instead its own history which bore some similarity to elements of both).
Ok, long way around - and probably somewhat incomprehensible because my brain is fried at the moment. Short version - the IDW comic is a modern transformers comic, I see no reason it can't include modern Transformers toys in its cast. And in fact with the greater degree of oversight which comes with being a Hasbro Core Brand I'd be surprised if they weren't using the licensed media as a way to promote the current toys. Do I always like the way that they do it? No, not really. Starscream and Bumblebee being completely rebuilt between stories for no obvious reason feels daft to me, but there we go. Not my call. But I certainly can't see any reason a current Transformers comic can't use current Transformers toys in their cast line-up. They share appearances and names with existing characters in another version of Transformers certainly, but so do most of the cast. IDW Shockwave shares a name and appearance with Marvel Comics Shockwave and a lot of broad personality traits, but they are distinct characters. So to are IDW Tankor and Rattrap, by dint of existing in completely different stories to their Beast Wars and Beast Machines equivalents.
Hmm. Probably still not making much more sense. I know what I mean though, and my vote remains "eh, whitever".
Karl
|
|
|
|
Post by Toph on Apr 27, 2014 19:10:02 GMT
I would disagree on the total control. Not every writer respects the source material (michael bay would have had no TF speak, and hasbro had to fight to have optimus be recognizable as optimus) or the established continuity they they're writing in (grant morrison's with his runs in Batman and X-Men. And worse yet, Shane McCarthy who had waaaay too much freedom)
But there is a happy middle ground, which I think a Spotlight series would have been it. It would also allow the stories represent the character that the toy intends to portray.
It would also allow idw to test the waters for other eras. I get tired of reading things like "If they thought Armada and Beast Wars comics would sell, then they would make them."
The problem with that is NO ONE TRIES. Everyone, and I mean everyone automatically tows the "no one wants rid, or ut" tropes, without even seeing if there really is a market.
Okay, they tried BW, but that was a trainwreck that made a mess of things in a horrible attempt to link into the established cartoon in a really odd way that didn't work. Naturally the BW fans rejected it.
Doesn't mean there's no market, though. Most fans I think would jump on a new BW continuity based on IDW G1. One that delves into the nature of what Cybertron has become, and the intricate politics between the maximals and predacons, along with rogues and rebels like Megatron, Galvatron, Magmatron, and Cryotek. And maybe even through in Gigatron/rid megatron, as a crime syndicate dedicated to toppling the maximal regime, and putting themselves in charge of Cybertron.
Maybe focus the story of trying to prevent a second great war?
And for Spotlight, let's use Starscream for example. There's enough there for a self contained story. Start with an incident where the decepticons lose a battle, and megatron dishes out his typical abuse. Which Starscream monologues about how this isn't worth it, and ends up seeking out Alexis, without even realizing it. Basically build the story around Starscream's wavering loyalties and his inner conflict.
And while all four would be self contained, maybe Waspinator, Rhinox, Rattrap, and Tankor's Spotlights could all have a common thread that links them all together.
And mix in non-generations toys spotlights into it so people can't just look at a list and see what Hasbro's making.
BECAUSE THERE IS SOOOO MUCH MORE THAN GEEWUN!
|
|
|
|
Post by blueshift on Apr 27, 2014 19:27:37 GMT
or the established continuity they they're writing in (grant morrison's with his runs in Batman and X-Men. And worse yet, Shane McCarthy who had waaaay too much freedom) Totally digressing but I love Morrison's runs on both of those so much. He realised that they need to tell new, exciting stories and not just mash the same points over and over again (and his stories were ridiculously continuity-centric too, just in ways you wouldn't expect). Once he was off X-Men, it's rather shocking how everyone after him got out the bit RESET button on literally everything. I'm not familiar with the Batman scene at the moment. But it has a Transformer relation too, namely the dangerous fetishisation of the original core G1 mythos that everything needs to snap back to like an elastic band. Forgetting, of course, that back in the day these stories were new and developing organically. Does anyone honestly believe the IDW status quo won't do that? At some point, some future writer or editor will decide ITS ALL ABOUT OPTIMUS PRIME VERSUS MEGATRON AND STARSCREAM, HIS TRAITOROUS LIEUTENANT! PROBABLY IN A DESERT SOMEWHERE. What I liked about the original comics was that there wasn't this narrative weight or expectation. It just developed on its own for the most part. (This is what I like about the choices in characters James Roberts has made. There's no narrative weight on, say, Chromedome. Everything feels genuinely new.) (Sorry, trying not to be too grumpy!) |
|
|
|
Post by Bogatan on Apr 27, 2014 19:35:33 GMT
I would disagree on the total control. Not every writer respects the source material (michael bay would have had no TF speak, and hasbro had to fight to have optimus be recognizable as optimus) or the established continuity they they're writing in (grant morrison's with his runs in Batman and X-Men. And worse yet, Shane McCarthy who had waaaay too much freedom) Agreed But there is a happy middle ground, which I think a Spotlight series would have been it. It would also allow the stories represent the character that the toy intends to portray. It would also allow idw to test the waters for other eras. I get tired of reading things like "If they thought Armada and Beast Wars comics would sell, then they would make them." The problem with that is NO ONE TRIES. Everyone, and I mean everyone automatically tows the "no one wants rid, or ut" tropes, without even seeing if there really is a market. Okay, they tried BW, but that was a trainwreck that made a mess of things in a horrible attempt to link into the established cartoon in a really odd way that didn't work. Naturally the BW fans rejected it. Doesn't mean there's no market, though. Most fans I think would jump on a new BW continuity based on IDW G1. One that delves into the nature of what Cybertron has become, and the intricate politics between the maximals and predacons, along with rogues and rebels like Megatron, Galvatron, Magmatron, and Cryotek. And maybe even through in Gigatron/rid megatron, as a crime syndicate dedicated to toppling the maximal regime, and putting themselves in charge of Cybertron. Maybe focus the story of trying to prevent a second great war? While you may be right that the comics would sell, theres also been no serious effort to get IDW to do them. People wanted RG1 and there was concerted effort to make that happen. Personally I would love an IDW Beast Wars comic, but I'd want it in the main IDW universe and not to have anything to do with the cartoon. The current set up of having Transformers scattered around the galaxy allows for a Beast Wars set up on a distant planet and Rattrap and waspinator having come back to Cybertron are a perfect way to introduce it. BECAUSE THERE IS SOOOO MUCH MORE THAN GEEWUN! I can't help feeling everyone is in agreement with this statement, but peoples views on what G1 is differ. What IDW are currently doing make the comic feel less G1 to me, but seems to make you feel as if G1 is consuming all in its path. |
|
|
|
Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 27, 2014 19:47:36 GMT
(This is what I like about the choices in characters James Roberts has made. There's no narrative weight on, say, Chromedome. Everything feels genuinely new.) I think one of the reasons I disliked Dark Cybertron so much is that it interrupted the narative flow here in MTMTE, replacing it with something that is so obviously driven to sell toys by being reused as a pack in comic. Incidentally I note that one of the newer toys that was inserted into the story to be used in a pack in comic, Crosscut is on the crew roster for S2 of MTMTE as is Nautica, who James invented to boost the ranks of the Fem Bots . I've got no trouble with them being there and that's because, after two years of MTMTE & RID, I've more confidence in James Roberts as a writer than I have in John Barber. |
|
|
|
Post by Toph on Apr 27, 2014 20:28:53 GMT
BECAUSE THERE IS SOOOO MUCH MORE THAN GEEWUN! I can't help feeling everyone is in agreement with this statement, but peoples views on what G1 is differ. What IDW are currently doing make the comic feel less G1 to me, but seems to make you feel as if G1 is consuming all in its path. I define G1 as the original concepts that Bob Budianski, Jim Shooter, and marvel came up with that guided everything that followed, even if the minor variances occured that established multiple G1 continuities. Marvel comics and Sunbow cartoon are drastically different in many ways, but they still use the same wellspring of characters that despite variances, for the most part had the same base concept behind them. No one argues that they aren't both G1 and valid as such. Same with the japanese continuity. (Well, there are those who argue that season 3 isnt g1, but those people really don't seem to have a grasp on much of anything) And most people don't seem to question Dreamwave's minis, ongoing, and War Within as being valid G1. It was at that time a modern take the G1 concepts. All IDW is, is just a modern take on the same wellspring of characters, using the same basic foundation as it's core. Even if some details have been freshened up to avoid retelling the exact same story. Just because Starscream was in an aligned body for a while, and now he's in an armada body now doesnt make it not be a G1 continuity. Seeing characters that originated in other continuities being reimagined in this one doesn't make it not be G1. What it does do is follow the time old tradition of characters being reimagined across multiple continuities. Sunbow Starscream, Marvel Starscream, DW Starscream, and IDW Starscream are all different interpritations on the same basic character. And it's not just Blue and myself. tfwiki.net/wiki/List_of_Generation_1_comicsIt is the general and accepted consensus that IDW is the latest version of G1. |
|
|
|
Post by Bogatan on Apr 27, 2014 20:58:34 GMT
I'm not arguing that it isn't a new version of G1, (though theres probably an arguement that Marvel, Sunbow and Dreamwave all drew from a more similar source than IDW) it clearly started as a new version of G1 but now it feels like it is something very different, so why keep trying to define it by what has come before. Introducing characters from other fiction makes it feel less like the G1 that has come before, to me thats good.
In many respects IDW has always been the least G1 of series, almost every other continuity essentially has Transformers stranded on Earth, most of the primary characters behave the same across all the continuities and where characters arent present there are characters that fill the same niche. In that sense I would consider AEC, Animated , the movies and Prime closer to Marvel/Sunbow G1 that IDW even in the beginning, 7 or 8 years later political shenanigans on Cybertron and a ship exploring deep space is the most far removed from Budianskis concept that we've gotten.
Actually the way that IDW is most like G1 to me is that like Marvels run its steadily been working through the toylines. With Furmans early work it was lots of 84-86 characters, then progressed through the masters right up to the Euro TFs. And just as Marvel would have done if the comic had kept going we're now getting Beast Wars and RID and if somewhere down the line hopefully we'll get some AEC (signal Lancer)
|
|
|
|
Post by The Doctor on Apr 27, 2014 21:03:09 GMT
I don't understand the premise of the thread as IDW don't publish a comic call 'G1'. I will now eat some crisps. They have black pepper on them and are good.
-Ralph
|
|
