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Post by The Doctor on Sept 4, 2013 22:23:42 GMT
We all want old programmes returned to the archive*, but let's stick to facts. The constant 'I know stuff but won't say how' chatter on OG is tiresome.
-Ralph
*Even though most of it is never shown again or made commercially available anyway. I've only been able to see the Peter Cushing version of 1984 and episodes of Out of the Unknown because folk put them on youtube!
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Post by blueshift on Sept 4, 2013 22:26:03 GMT
Yes, that is shocking. The Cushing version of 1984 is my favourite out of all the adaptions.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 5, 2013 7:19:56 GMT
We are very lucky to have all of Dw commercially available. Most of pre-digital age telly goes into a virtual hole and is never seen again, hence why the missing episodes conundrum would not usually be a problem! If episodes of, for example, Triangle, went missing, would anyone notice or care?
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 5, 2013 7:41:37 GMT
I think there would be cause for celebration in Triangle's case TBH, particularly from those who worked on it!
Actually I'd be surprised if Triangle was 100% in tact. The BBC was still wiping things after it was broadcast. Several episodes of The Adventure Game (Gronda, Gronda) were wiped and now only exist as off air VHS while one is completely missing. Rentaghost had it's first few series wiped and only exists off returned broadcast prints from (IIRC) UK Gold. Many Bods don't exist in their original UK Broadcast format and don't have the Alphonso Frog & His Amazing Animal Orchestra segments in tact ("What flavour milkshake shall we have today? The hippos think it will be chocolate. The Monkeys think it will be banana. What do you think?" "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Strawberry") And the state of some of the prints used for Trumpton etc is shocking!
But for someone to care about something being missing it does need a fan base.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 6, 2013 17:18:46 GMT
WHAT THE FUCK!? Alphonso Frog segments are missing?
THIS WORLD MUST BURN.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 6, 2013 17:23:34 GMT
I'll show you the DVD next time you visit so you can mourn with me.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 6, 2013 17:52:21 GMT
All joy has left my life upon hearing this devastating news!
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 8, 2013 21:19:20 GMT
I think there would be cause for celebration in Triangle's case TBH, particularly from those who worked on it! Actually I'd be surprised if Triangle was 100% in tact. The BBC was still wiping things after it was broadcast. Several episodes of The Adventure Game (Gronda, Gronda) were wiped and now only exist as off air VHS while one is completely missing. Rentaghost had it's first few series wiped and only exists off returned broadcast prints from (IIRC) UK Gold. Many Bods don't exist in their original UK Broadcast format and don't have the Alphonso Frog & His Amazing Animal Orchestra segments in tact ("What flavour milkshake shall we have today? The hippos think it will be chocolate. The Monkeys think it will be banana. What do you think?" "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Strawberry") And the state of some of the prints used for Trumpton etc is shocking! But for someone to care about something being missing it does need a fan base. UK Gold? Really? Thats 1991-2. The BBC were still stupid enough to be binning things in to the 90s? |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 8, 2013 21:32:13 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 9, 2013 7:04:35 GMT
I had no idea material was still being binned that late in the day. Madness. Also a shame that cast members of Rentaghost don't like money.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 9, 2013 7:20:59 GMT
I don't imagine it's cast members. Nobody involved in the first few series is still with us. IIRC the only surviving cast members are the Myrka, Lynda la Plante, Sue Nicholls & Biggins, none of which appear before.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 9, 2013 18:00:27 GMT
It might used to have been, but the law changed with regards to those sorts of rights about 10 years or so back (I believe similar issues held up the release of Pyramids of Mars)
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 7, 2014 7:02:24 GMT
Allegedly the delay is now down to the fact PM would like the BBC to buy all the stuff he's found, but they're only interested in the juicy bits like Who and Dad's Army. Thus, stalemate. There's only three missing episodes of Dad's Army: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dad%27s_Army_missing_episodes |
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Post by The Doctor on May 7, 2014 7:49:46 GMT
More nonsense. The BBC take anything back. Morris previously returned 2 episodes of The Sky At Night which while interesting had zero saleability. Morris returned and the BBC took. Levine is barking at the moon again.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 7, 2014 18:24:12 GMT
Indeed, but it's hard to think what else would be regarded as a triple A recovery with commercial value on a scale with Who, if this A B C categorisation is right. Which kinda shows as the Doctor says, that it's bobbins. What else is a headline recovery? Eric & Ernie? Colour episodes of Steptoe already held in B/W? I do think the Sky at Night return was done in the knowledge that it was a favourite episode of Patrick's and that his health was in rapid decline, but beyond that I think there's a lot of guessing going on. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 7, 2014 18:49:37 GMT
Dad's Army, M&W and Steptoe are about the only others things I can think of of remote commercial interest to the Beeb from the sort of period we're interested in. And he did find a M&W, but it was knackered. Equally Paul V seemed to intimate another copy might exist Colour stuff would have been sold on VT rather than film. Dad's Army IIRC doesn't have the sort of distribution overseas that DW did. Obviously I've not got the info like we've got in Wiped but I seem to recall it didn't go much further than the likes of Aus & NZ. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Morecambe_%26_Wise_Show_%281968%E2%80%931977%29_episodes says what M&W exists Beyond that the next biggest potential Target I can think of is Adam Adamant and there's very little they could do with that Wikipedia Adam_Adamant_Lives! Lost_episodes |
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Post by blueshift on May 7, 2014 18:52:53 GMT
Moon landing? But they didn't make copies of that, did they?
There's supposed to be some famous lost Beatles footage.
I struggle to think of anything else that would get Joe Public interested
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Post by Pinwig on May 7, 2014 19:00:17 GMT
Or indeed be enough to be worth a DVD release. 3 eps of Dad's Army just about qualifies.
Tsk, back in the day that was all we got anyway. My DA collection is still 3 eps per tape VHS releases, all bought at 10.99 each. These days you can get the entire run for twenty quid in one box.
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Post by Bogatan on May 7, 2014 19:18:35 GMT
Weren't there pre Monty Python/Frost and other comedies amongst the destroyed programmes?
Maybe a little earlier than Who, but stuff people would want to see.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 7, 2014 19:25:26 GMT
Moon landing? But they didn't make copies of that, did they? There's supposed to be some famous lost Beatles footage. I struggle to think of anything else that would get Joe Public interested The Moon Landing night had Pink Floyd playing live in the studio. That *IS* missing. They'll be some Beatles Top of the Pops missing but those have their own issues now |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 7, 2014 19:28:33 GMT
Or indeed be enough to be worth a DVD release. 3 eps of Dad's Army just about qualifies. The 3DAs are all in the second series, the remains of which were released with S1. So 3 DA episodes would mean two releases - a stand alone S1 and a complete S2. Plus updated boxsets |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 7, 2014 19:32:39 GMT
Weren't there pre Monty Python/Frost and other comedies amongst the destroyed programmes? Maybe a little earlier than Who, but stuff people would want to see. They'll be some missing certainly. 2 TW3s for a start en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Was_the_Week_That_Was |
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Post by Pinwig on May 7, 2014 20:27:57 GMT
Or indeed be enough to be worth a DVD release. 3 eps of Dad's Army just about qualifies. The 3DAs are all in the second series, the remains of which were released with S1. So 3 DA episodes would mean two releases - a stand alone S1 and a complete S2. Plus updated boxsets Why would they need to release season one again? Given the existing season two episodes have already been restored and released and we now live in the age of the boxset I could see a lost episodes DVD with the three missing ones on, followed by an updated complete collection some time later. But given a season one reissue would retail for at least a tenner, why buy that when the complete collection is now twenty? |
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Post by Pinwig on May 7, 2014 20:32:06 GMT
Weren't there pre Monty Python/Frost and other comedies amongst the destroyed programmes? Maybe a little earlier than Who, but stuff people would want to see. They'll be some missing certainly. 2 TW3s for a start en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Was_the_Week_That_WasAt Last The 1948 Show is in that bracket and missing material but that was an ITV show, so in terms of returned material it'd go to the BFI apparently. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 7, 2014 21:23:00 GMT
Why would they need to release season one again? £££££ At Last The 1948 Show is in that bracket and missing material but that was an ITV show, so in terms of returned material it'd go to the BFI apparently. I've thought of another BBC series with some commercial potential and this one is a likely (haha) candidate to show up on film: The Likely Lads en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Likely_Lads20 made, 12 missing. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 20, 2014 10:01:33 GMT
It's worth noting that BBC junkings didn't stop in the 60s. Much TV I remember as a child doesn't exist anymore.
There's several episodes of the Adventure Game missing, though I believe all bar one is now known to exist on off air recordings.
Many episodes of Bod are missing their Alphonso Frog inserts
Rentaghost only exists because UK Gold were showing copies of it at the point the VT was junked !
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Post by The Doctor on May 21, 2014 14:38:15 GMT
Sheer madness. I think Dooby Duck is mostly gone too.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 21, 2014 18:24:33 GMT
Weeps.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on May 21, 2014 19:52:45 GMT
As is most of the CBBC Broom Cupboard.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 21, 2014 20:39:01 GMT
There's several episodes of the Adventure Game missing, though I believe all bar one is now known to exist on off air recordings. Would love to see that again properly. And Captain Zep. Captain Zep is my DVD release Holy grail outside Who finds. Really? That's outrageous. When was that then? I thought the BBC realised how stupid they were being long before satellite. Destroying programmes even when the were being shown?! |
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