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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 22, 2014 16:25:33 GMT
It's all sci-fi isn't it?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 22, 2014 16:35:31 GMT
The question now is which one out of me and Ralph will love the new film and which one of us will hate it.
Very occasionally our ratings coincide...
Martin
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 22, 2014 18:02:09 GMT
Well I have seen it and absolutely loved it.
Ralph is watching it now...
Andy
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Post by Bogatan on May 22, 2014 20:32:45 GMT
Just back from seeing it. Spoilers for everything
Icebeard!!!!!!
That last scene had more cameos (outside of an Anchorman fight scene) than I've ever seen.
So... er based on that last scene you could argue they rebooted the series by removing Last Stand, which is reason alone enough to love this film, but did they? No Last Stand, a very different The Wolverine, or that got rebooted out too.
So maybe no reboot, just a change post The Wolverine, that brought Jean back?
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Post by The Doctor on May 22, 2014 20:36:14 GMT
The question now is which one out of me and Ralph will love the new film and which one of us will hate it. Very occasionally our ratings coincide... Martin I did not enjoy it. Now you must love it to have the cosmic balance restored. -Ralph |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 23, 2014 11:11:40 GMT
I cannot believe that Martin is keeping us in suspense like this. I always thought he was a nice guy!
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Post by The Doctor on May 23, 2014 11:24:18 GMT
But we don't know if he has seen it in the past...or the future!
-Ralph
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Post by Kingoji on May 24, 2014 16:28:04 GMT
Is Wolverine not an X-Man? By his very presence the films are then X-Men films. Even more so in the comics, when people are more often screaming things along the lines of "Die, X-Man!"
Saw it today. Felt it was just more of the same. You like the old stuff, you'll enjoy this. But I can't help feeling that the X-Men movies are getting tired.
That said, the repercussions for the future have great merit.
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Post by Cullen on May 24, 2014 22:53:21 GMT
Just seen it and I absolutely loved it. Best of the 7 X-Men films.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 25, 2014 12:36:54 GMT
Just seen it and I absolutely loved it. Best of the 7 X-Men films. It's the Chunder Monkey! We've missed you John! |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 25, 2014 13:37:11 GMT
How do we know this isn't John from a now side stepped future time line? What proof could he offer us I wonder..?
But yes, hello!!
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Post by The Doctor on May 25, 2014 13:50:16 GMT
Wolverine brought Cullen back!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 25, 2014 15:17:36 GMT
John is the Wolverine!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 25, 2014 16:57:16 GMT
Just seen it and I absolutely loved it. Best of the 7 X-Men films. HE LIVES!!! And a belated Happy Birthday to you young sir! Andy |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 26, 2014 17:52:04 GMT
I have seen this film! Could not wait for cheap Tuesday. It filled my head with thoughts, which is a good thing for any film, though it is certainly the weakest of Singer's X-Men films to date to my mind. The story was so ambitious in its scale and cast that it felt rushed to me. Should have been an hour longer or split into two movies to give more backstory and exploration of character motivations, etc. Among the thoughts my head was filled with were, in no particular order: - Kitty Pryde was certainly keeping her time-travel power quiet in The Last Stand.
- Film didn't follow on from The Wolverine very well. He has his adamantium claws back in the early scenes.
- How Professor X got back his body which Jean Grey destroyed is not explained.
- Seems to me that all of the films except First Class and the first ten minutes of X-Men Origins: Wolverine have been erased in the new timeline.
- Reboot was not annoying in the way the Star Trek reboot was for three reasons: 1. The X-Men films to date (excluding First Class, which still happens) have basically been the story of Wolverine, and that Wolverine has been brought into the new timeline. There are no spin-offs like TNG and DS9 that are made meaningless by the X-Men reboot. 2. The new cast has already been established prior to the reboot. 3. The old cast is all acknowledged, and better off for the reboot (unlike the casts of TNG and DS9 who may never exist post-reboot).
- Happy endings for everyone except Banshee, Emma Frost and a couple of others from First Class killed off-screen.
- Acting all good, just a shame the script gave the characters very little depth.
- Quicksilver was magnificent. Loved his slow-mo scene so much. Also liked the throwaway reference to him being Magneto's son. Am I right in thinking he will also be in Avengers 2? Martin's X-Men league table from best to worst: 1. X-Men: First Class (love) 2. X-Men 2 (love) 3. X-Men (like a lot) 4. X-Men Origins: Wolverine (like a lot) 5. X-Men: Days of Future Past (like) 6. X-Men: The Last Stand (dislike) 7. The Wolverine (bored to tears by) Martin |
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Post by blueshift on May 26, 2014 18:03:17 GMT
They sort of explain how Xavier is alive in Last Stand. There's a post credit sequence or something which shows that he has transferred his mind to that comatose person.
Last Stand was terrible. I prefer to imagine it never happened.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 26, 2014 18:06:19 GMT
Well now it never happened, so your wish is granted! I know about that scene, but why isn't he now still in the body of that comatose person? His original crippled body was blown to atoms. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on May 26, 2014 18:27:37 GMT
I feel better now I know Martin's views, though the thought of the film being any longer makes me want to jump into Cardiff Bay!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 26, 2014 18:38:07 GMT
I feel better too, yet... he did not love it as much as you disliked it. Perhaps your current proximity to Martin is interfering with nature?
I always thought regarding Xavier that the comatose body Moira was looking after in that post-credits scene *was* Prof X's actual body (hence it being with Moira) and he was just being an absolute cad and driving around someone else for the first three Wolverine/X-Men films - i.e. exactly the sort of thing we told his students was a no no. The swine, but an excellent layer of personal security.
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Post by Cullen on May 27, 2014 23:40:53 GMT
Just seen it and I absolutely loved it. Best of the 7 X-Men films. HE LIVES!!! And a belated Happy Birthday to you young sir! Andy Thanks Andu! I hope everyone stayed until after the credits. I was very excited to see you-know-who and his four you-know-what's. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 27, 2014 23:58:51 GMT
Oh yes.
Eagerly awaiting him in the next film.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on May 28, 2014 7:45:49 GMT
I groaned. Not a favourite of mine in the comics!
But the films are their own thing so we will see.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on May 28, 2014 16:23:44 GMT
Love Love LOVED IT!!!
Enjoyed it from start to finish. Good acting from everyone, I enjoyed the urgent quick pace, and I loved the huge enormic scope of the film. And the after credits bis was BRILLIANT!!!!
I've never read the graphic novel. How does it compare?
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 28, 2014 16:40:29 GMT
Dunno, read the story and find out!
(not a graphic novel: originally issued as Uncanny X-Men 141 & 142 it's been collected as a trade paperback a few times: several times under Days of Future past but also in Essential X-Men and X-Men Masterworks. It is one of THE all time classics)
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Post by The Doctor on May 28, 2014 17:06:14 GMT
Comic pisses all over the film.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on May 28, 2014 19:37:38 GMT
141 and 142 are well worth a read. It is one of my favourite X-Men stories, short and punchy but quite influential - you often see echoes of it in other "dark future" comics stories - and brilliantly crafted. I am not a fan of its translation to the silver screen, but the original source material is an absolute corker.
Karl
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Post by Toph on May 29, 2014 8:20:38 GMT
Saw it today. I agree that it's the weakest of Singer's films, but that still puts it miles ahead of the others.
Biggest complaint, it needs considerably more Blink.
Film was far from perfect, but it wasn't bad at all.
And anything that erases Last Stand and Origins: Wolverine from existence is a good thing!
Ranks:
1- First Class
2- X2
3- X-Men
4- The Wolverine
5- DoFP
6- Last Stand
I do not list Origins Wolverine for it is an abomination that does not deserve acknowledgement. Acknowledging it only encourages it to continue to exist.
As for complaints about the indiscrepencies between this and other films like The Wolverine, and Last Stand, it's still twenties years further ahead than we are. And we've probably just now caught up to the preboot timeline. (14 years ago they called it "the near future")
Lots of stuff can happen in twenty years. When the sentinels started coming, wolverine may have had magneto bond adamantium to his claws again.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 29, 2014 12:25:27 GMT
Ranks: 1- First Class 2- X2 3- X-Men 4- The Wolverine 5- DoFP 6- Last Stand I do not list Origins Wolverine for it is an abomination that does not deserve acknowledgement. Acknowledging it only encourages it to continue to exist. Heh, your rankings are identical to mine except with the two Wolverine films swapping places with one another! Martin |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 1, 2014 10:40:30 GMT
Saw this again yesterday. It does improve on a second viewing but there are still some very stupid moments.
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Post by primenova on Feb 24, 2015 12:36:50 GMT
What are peoples views on Hugh Jackman after saying he didn't wnat to play Wolverine again now saying he wants to play him forever. We know he's down for Wolverine 3 & X-men FC3.
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