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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 16, 2018 23:14:07 GMT
I moved away from the area and went back once to find the Boscombe store had recently closed down. What happened to them after?
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 17, 2018 18:54:00 GMT
No idea! I'd have assumed they closed years ago. I haven't been to Bournemouth for many a year now.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 17, 2018 20:13:48 GMT
I say recently but it was probably about 18-20 years ago I last went!
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 23, 2018 19:13:23 GMT
The Legacy of Unicron - Part 5. Death's Head ascends to the astral plane while Wreck-Gar lays explosives beneath Unicron. Recognising Death's Head's tenacity, Unicron decides to tell him his own origin story before disposing of him. He explains how both he and Primus were energy forms that battled for the forces of light and dark, eventually becoming trapped inside planetary bodies by Primus's cunning. While Unicron evolved to become the first Transformer, Primus instead populated his surface with the Transformers, investing part of his soul into the Matrix of Leadership. Tale told, Unicron ejects Death's Head from his mind so he can concentrate on an attack from Rodimus's shuttle. In the ensuing fracas, Wreck-Gar becomes trapped with his ticking time bomb just out of reach. Elsewhere, Transformation is so excited about this issue's story that it dedicates both columns to it; Rodimus Prime features in a specially adapted A-Z entry; and issue one cover artist Jerry Paris returns to provide the pencils for a wraparound commemorative cover painted by John Burns.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 23, 2018 21:05:03 GMT
This issue blew my mind back in the day. Utterly shattered it! The concepts within have been so mined to death since to the extent they've become generic and dull that we forget what a shock this was at the time.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 23, 2018 21:17:13 GMT
That's a good point. Reading this issue now, the concept is interesting but the execution is quite weak. I've always regarded the 332 as the sacred tome, but I'm finding I'm drawn more and more to the Quintesson origin having written so much about it recently. However, you're absolutely right; #150 was huge back in 1988.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 23, 2018 23:06:53 GMT
The only true version of the Unicron/Primus story is in Martin's Back to Basics storyline.
That said I still love this issue and especially the cover. *falls through Unicron's mind*
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 24, 2018 6:45:02 GMT
The Primus/Unicron origin story is fine so long as you remember that it's just a story told by characters within a story who provide no evidence to back up their words.
Martin
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 30, 2018 12:12:34 GMT
Unreliable narrators are the greatest gift in fiction.
Andy
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Post by legios on Jan 30, 2018 21:24:12 GMT
The Primus/Unicron origin story is fine so long as you remember that it's just a story told by characters within a story who provide no evidence to back up their words. Martin Yep. Exactly the best of kind of "in the beginning" story for a fictional universe. I prefer having these kind of "facts" as nothing more than Just So stories told to us by characters within the fictional frame - because that way it isn't an argument about which one is "true" - it is about which version you happen to prefer. It is one of the strengths of this story that the entire origin of the Transformers we are presented with is not just one that comes without any evidence of its accuracy - but is also told by a being who has every reason to embroider the story. (After all - given that it is Unicron telling the story you could see why he might choose to downplay "I'm a supercomputer programmed to destroy the supercomputer that made The Transformers" and instead declare "I am a primordial god from the dawn of your universe. Look upon my might ye mortal and despair!" :-) ). I'd much rather have a "Just So" story that can neither be conclusively proven or disproven, than an objective "here is how it all began". The former allows for more story possibilities than the latter. (It's part of the reason I never had any interest in all the 13 Primes rot when it was being sold as "the true, incontrevertable story of the dawn of the Transformers") (On a side note, it is one of the things I loved about Eugenesis that it pulls exactly this trick again - the being telling us how both versions we had of the Transformers origins were wrong but contained bits of the truth...absolutely stands to gain from that version being true. If it is true then he is an aggrieved party trying to reclaim his species future. If it is false...he has a lot less moral ground to stand on.) Karl
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 30, 2018 21:44:19 GMT
30 Years Ago This Week: Issue #151The Legacy of Unicron - Part 6. While Wreck-Gar awaits his and Unicron's destruction, Smokescreen and Scattershot attack from above in the shuttle. Unicron recalls Cyclonus and Scourge to deal with them, but down on the surface of Junk, Rodimus and Death's Head form a plan together. By distracting Unicron, Death's Head allows Rodimus to ascend to the astral plane, where Unicron claims his victory is complete because he can absorb the Matrix into himself. Death's Head discovers Wreck-Gar and pulls Rodimus back into reality just before the explosives detonate. Unicron is destroyed and Death's Head time jumps with Cyclonus and Scourge intending to kill them for the reward Rodimus put on their heads. Instead, the two Decepticons reappear in Cybertron's past and come under the wing of Scorponok, while Death's Head himself disappears. Elsewhere, Transformation brings news that some of the new toys from the 1988 range (in shops now!) - the Seacons - will feature in next week's new story; Headstrong and Hoist feature in the A-Z; and despite two coy references to 'exciting news' being revealed next week, a full page advert announcing that Action Force will merge with Transformers in issue 153 blows the gaff.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 31, 2018 12:42:00 GMT
Ah, 'exciting news'.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 31, 2018 14:00:08 GMT
It lasted a year almost. Not quite Thundercats or Real Ghoistbusters territory, but better than The Incredible Hulk Presents...
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 31, 2018 21:14:21 GMT
The latter of which also featured Action Force!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 6, 2018 20:28:34 GMT
30 Years Ago This Week: Issue #152 Enemy Action - Part 1: After escaping Mount Verona, Galvatron makes his way toward the Decepticon base - walking underwater to reach it. Shockwave sees him approach and unleashes the Seacons on him to test out their new Earth forms. A battle ensues in which the Seacons form Pirranacon, which appears to please the scheming Galvatron. Meanwhile on the nearby shore, the Sparkler Mini-Autobots check in with Springer to inform him their mission to trail Galvatron has been curtailed by their inability to follow him underwater. Suddenly, they are attacked by the Firecons. Elsewhere, Transformation formally announces the arrival of Action Force next week; Iron Man finishes his tussle with Stratosfire; there's a competition to win one of twenty-five sets of the new Seacon toys; and after 133 installments spanning all the way back to issue 15, King Nonose finally decides that he isn't cut out for universal domination after all, bringing Robo Capers to an end.
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Post by Benn on Feb 6, 2018 21:33:41 GMT
and after 133 installments spanning all the way back to issue 15, King Nonose finally decides that he isn't cut out for universal domination after all, bringing Robo Capers to an end. This was a sad day for young Ben.
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Post by The Huff on Feb 7, 2018 10:49:15 GMT
One of my favourite issues - I may be in the minority, but I just loved new toys being introduced! Especially ones that were about to appear in the shops.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 7, 2018 12:34:47 GMT
I entered the Seacon competition and am still very bitter that I did not win!!!
-Ralph
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Post by The Huff on Feb 8, 2018 9:23:37 GMT
Me too. Although I was pleased when I found the Seacon toys in Tesco and they actually looked better than the picture in the competition and the comic strip.
The Firecons/Sparkler Mini-Bots, not so much...
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Post by primenova on Feb 8, 2018 12:36:55 GMT
I remember the toys photo was awful in this issue. Was it early Hasbro or Takara mock ups they got photos of?
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 13, 2018 14:22:50 GMT
30 Years Ago This Week: Issue #153 Enemy Action - Part 2: While the Firecons and Sparklers duke it out on the beach, Shockwave looks on as Galvatron disposes of Pirranacon. Galvatron then breaks into the base and calmly announces he had come with purely peaceful intentions, but after being attacked will instead leave to consider his options. He departs knowing this has sown seeds of dissent within Shockwave's troops. On the surface he finds the aftermath of the other battle, and laughs at Flamefeather's pathetic attempts to demand he returns to Cybertron. Shockwave considers his situation and looks for an expendable option to combat Galvatron, bringing up a file on the missing Megatron. Elsewhere, after several weeks of hints and overtures, Action Force formally merges with the comic in the backup slot, kicking off with a story of body swaps that is largely incomprehensible to new readers - even with the double page intro to the characters and current story line; Combat Colin replaces Robo Capers as the back page strip; on the letters page Grimlock is uncertain if UK fans will ever get to see the third season of the cartoon, but promises an adaptation of one of the episodes in a future issue; and tucked away nonchalantly in the middle is an advert sporting one of the 1980s most iconic designs: the Ghostbusters will be coming to a newsagent near you soon.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 13, 2018 23:13:54 GMT
Fabulous news for all our readers!
-Ralph
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Post by primenova on Feb 14, 2018 7:16:06 GMT
I never read a single story of Gijoe - Lara Hama is a great writer but i'm not a fan of the line. The first time I cared about them was in Tom's IDW comic. At least it was replaced in #183, but we'll get to that on 17 Sept 18 so don't reveal it yet (but could be the week before because we did get the comics out before the cover date).
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 14, 2018 7:37:00 GMT
Best TF backup strip.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 14, 2018 10:06:08 GMT
WHAT.
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Feb 14, 2018 12:05:25 GMT
Phil, you are wrong.
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Post by The Huff on Feb 14, 2018 12:39:41 GMT
Why did Galvatron return Fizzle to the Sparkabots in this issue? Was he just being helpful?
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Post by blueshift on Feb 14, 2018 12:40:34 GMT
Why did Galvatron return Fizzle to the Sparkabots in this issue? Was he just being helpful? They actually went to school together, Fizzle once saved Galvatron from some mean bullies
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Post by Benn on Feb 14, 2018 16:34:45 GMT
Why did Galvatron return Fizzle to the Sparkabots in this issue? Was he just being helpful? He might have needed leverage. Thanks to the charred and drowned Sparkabot he knows something has happened up on the surface, but he doesn't know what. So an Autobot hostage might give him an advantage. No Galvatron worth the name is going to give up any advantage, no matter how small.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 14, 2018 18:09:10 GMT
I think it's all about the powerplay. He's on a mission to prove in that story that he is more powerful than anyone else, so he brushes off Pirranacon, plays with Shockwave (who absolutely wets himself), growls at the Firecons and then returns Fizzle because he wants to show that he doesn't need an advantage to be better than them anyway, hence then throwing the other one into a tree. He's all about the 'I'm too powerful to even bother with you'.
It adds to his menace. Being nice to his enemies makes them fear him all the more.
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