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Post by Toph on Mar 28, 2020 16:46:59 GMT
Well dropping from a 9 to a 6 makes sense, sense a giant block of a cannon mounted to the top of a jet isn't terribly aerodynamic.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 28, 2020 18:58:06 GMT
He's a Hovercra- errr- He's a SPACE Hover... craft....
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Post by Toph on Mar 28, 2020 19:13:34 GMT
Sorry, got him confused with cyclonus.
Default Scourge for me has become RiD. Sometimes forget which one was Scourge in G1.
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Post by Benn on Mar 29, 2020 7:58:43 GMT
Windcharger is fastest!
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Post by Llama God on Mar 29, 2020 8:55:13 GMT
Rodimus (PUTTUP!) 'Prime' has a 9 if memory allows as well. There's no way a Winnebago can go that fast. Not even in freefall. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 29, 2020 8:56:58 GMT
Over short distances. As fast as a helicopter or slow jet, apparently. |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2020 10:00:41 GMT
Gears fell fast when he fell off the side of Fortress Sinister.
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Post by The Huff on Mar 29, 2020 16:02:55 GMT
Shouldn't Blurr be like 100 then? (His tech spec bar could just go off the bar chart somewhere)
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 29, 2020 16:39:35 GMT
Blurr has always confused me. Sure he's fast, but he can't fly.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2020 16:54:08 GMT
This cold war just got hot!
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Mar 29, 2020 18:10:13 GMT
Blurr is a hovercar though.
Windcharger is still faster though, Blurr never seemed that fast in vehicle mode.
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Post by The Huff on Mar 29, 2020 19:01:40 GMT
Whilst on the subject of speed, does it annoy anyone else (because it does me) that in superhero films recently, it shows people like the Flash, Quicksilver and recently Sonic not moving fast, but literally almost stopping time itself?
Although it makes for a cool action sequence, how would their mind keep up with this? Shouldn't their superpower also be having the worlds fastest brain? In which case, they would be the most intelligent beings on earth and the speed power would be a side note. And if your whole body DID keep up with the high time freezing speed, shouldn't you age faster during it? And high speed would equate to high intelligence in the tech specs.
I think just because you can move fast, wouldn't necessarily mean that your brain can keep up. Which could be why Blurr seems so agitated and panicked most of the time.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 29, 2020 19:14:30 GMT
Having more time to think doesn't make you cleverer. You can't beat a chess master just by having a hundred times as long to think up your move. Your average guy can't master quantum physics just by having lots of time to think about it.
Human superheroes with super-speed often seem to have a low attention span / boredom threshold, which would hamper taking advantage of their speed of thought to do really advanced thinking.
All robots should be able to think pretty fast. But thinking fast doesn't make you right.
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Post by The Huff on Mar 29, 2020 19:23:26 GMT
But you could read, learn and practise things a lot more in all that extra time and develop more skills than others.
If you were inclined to do so I suppose. Quicksilver just seemed to spend the time playing old Arcade games from what we see...
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2020 20:35:23 GMT
Whilst on the subject of speed, does it annoy anyone else (because it does me) that in superhero films recently, it shows people like the Flash, Quicksilver and recently Sonic not moving fast, but literally almost stopping time itself? . It was clever the first time I saw it then it became tiresome. It is this era's equivalent of bullet-time. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Mar 29, 2020 20:48:45 GMT
Whilst on the subject of speed, does it annoy anyone else (because it does me) that in superhero films recently, it shows people like the Flash, Quicksilver and recently Sonic not moving fast, but literally almost stopping time itself? Although it makes for a cool action sequence, how would their mind keep up with this? Shouldn't their superpower also be having the worlds fastest brain? In which case, they would be the most intelligent beings on earth and the speed power would be a side note. And if your whole body DID keep up with the high time freezing speed, shouldn't you age faster during it? And high speed would equate to high intelligence in the tech specs. I think just because you can move fast, wouldn't necessarily mean that your brain can keep up. Which could be why Blurr seems so agitated and panicked most of the time. In the most recent episode of Flash, barry was admonished for "Speed Thinking." So he canonically does have a speedy brain. Given the way XMCU Quicksilver works, it's a safe bet this is a universal given. Flash still shows him going fast, over showing him in flash time. (Personally, I think xmcu quicksilver is the best use of a speedster on screen. His scenes are the only good ones of the movies he's in, and beats the snot out of his mcu counterpart) |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 30, 2020 8:27:58 GMT
Just remembered an Techspecs speed oddity- Red Alert's speed of 3, whilst in his bio he's described as "Fast in car mode" or words to that effect. I hated it when they messed up the Techspecs. The Techspecs were law! Core material! So when they got one wrong, like the three '84 Strike Planes, it RUINED EVERYTHING!
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 30, 2020 9:07:43 GMT
Nooo the Techspecs are holy writ!
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 30, 2020 10:46:02 GMT
Exactly! So went THEY did them WRONG as they clearly DID on occasion (Scorponok, Strength: 3), it made for DESPERATE CONTROVERSY!
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 30, 2020 11:24:22 GMT
Exactly! So went THEY did them WRONG as they clearly DID on occasion (Scorponok, Strength: 3), it made for DESPERATE CONTROVERSY! Woah. I never noticed that. *googles* Huh. I see that was redone for the next time the box was printed. But apparently that still doesn't match the meter in his chest. Wait - I've never thought about this - do all the chest meters for Headmasters actually match their tech specs? |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 30, 2020 11:29:07 GMT
Scorponok's chest thingy said 3?!?! I didn't know that! Madness! How anyone with anything to do with Transformers could have thought a massive Transformer like Sorponok would be anything other than 10....?!
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 30, 2020 11:32:35 GMT
Nooo the Techspecs are holy writ! -Ralph You DENY that Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker had their numbers mixed up?! You DENY this?! Red Alert's speed, Scorponok's original strength, Hot Rod's ridiculous numbers- you DENY that these are mistakes?! DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION, ANSWER ME NOW! |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 30, 2020 11:54:59 GMT
I DENY THIS REALITY!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 30, 2020 11:55:39 GMT
Scorponok's chest thingy said 3?!?! I didn't know that! Madness! How anyone with anything to do with Transformers could have thought a massive Transformer like Sorponok would be anything other than 10....?! No, his chest meter says strength 10, which is what prompted me to wonder if there are other discrepancies. His first tech spec had strength 3 and the revised one 8, but the meter always said 10. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 30, 2020 12:12:54 GMT
I DENY THIS REALITY!!! -Ralph |
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Post by Llama God on Mar 31, 2020 6:27:43 GMT
No, his chest meter says strength 10, which is what prompted me to wonder if there are other discrepancies. His first tech spec had strength 3 and the revised one 8, but the meter always said 10. Well, the meter doesn't lie, I'm afraid. Now if you could just step out of the transtector please, sir, and put those tech specs down we need to jot down a few details... |
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 31, 2020 9:17:29 GMT
It's a fair cop.
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 7, 2020 22:13:22 GMT
ENDURANCE See Also: Tech Specs tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/7971Online Tech Spec Chart tmukhub.proboards.com/post/418738/threadStrength tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10886Intelligence tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10888Speed tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10895Endurance tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10907Rank tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10927Courage tmukhub.proboards.com/post/409230/threadFirepower tmukhub.proboards.com/post/413708/threadSkill tmukhub.proboards.com/post/417214/thread
Endurance is a funny one. It's related to strength but also to speed. But what actually is it...? The ability to withstand... Pain? Damage? Tiredness? The ability to have Range? The ability to 'keep going'? Take BLUESTREAK. Described as having "blazzing speed". Surely his speed of 7, coupled with a whopping endurance of 9, is a manifestation of this "blazzing speed"? HIGH speed. HIGH endurance. As opposed to Windcharger. Speed 8! ....but Endurance only 4...? Is, therefore, Bluestreak faster? Because he can maintain his high speed longer? And is this just physical. Or is 'Endurance' more than that? In my opinion, there is, perhaps, only Intelligence and Courage that are AS IMPORTANT to defining a character as Endurance.There are so many very interesting endurance ratings in Transformers. Beachcomber's 9. Cliffjumper and Buzzsaw's 4s. Prowl and Bluestreak's 9s (go, Fairladies!). Wheeljack and Mirage's 5s. Tracks and Sunstreaker's 8s. Sideswipe's 7. The Strike Plane trio's 7s. Megatron's... errr, 8?!?!?! Only Optimus Prime and, intriguingly, Trailbreaker, were given a 10 in '84. But then some other, defining, 10s came later, such as Grimlock, Sludge, and Motor Master. Then there's Ironhide. A 9 (deservingly in my opinion), but is then described as "fragile"...? Endurance... perhaps the most intriguing of Techspecs ratings... |
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Post by The Huff on Apr 7, 2020 22:59:24 GMT
Ironhide's conflicting high endurance but fragileness also used to confuse me, but then seeing him in the cartoon, it sort if made sense that he was easily damaged but just put up with it and ignored the serious injuries or pain and carried on fighting.
This came to a head in the movie of course. He refused to just lay down and die straight away.
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Post by Toph on Apr 7, 2020 23:08:08 GMT
Yeah, endurance doesn't really have anything to do with speed at all. It also doesn't have much to do with strength.
I would say in the tech spec's use, it's all about defence. How much damage you can endure.
If I were to use these as D&D stats, endurance would definitely be used as defence.
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