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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 16, 2017 15:18:15 GMT
I like the way Anthony Hopkins says "Transformers".
I have decided that is now the correct pronunciation.
Martin
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 18, 2017 12:04:55 GMT
Interesting the latest TV spot advertising has subtitled this "THE FINAL CHAPTER".
Reboot post Bumblebee movie sans Bay?
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Post by Benn on Jun 18, 2017 17:17:26 GMT
Don't get my hopes up, please...
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 18, 2017 23:05:37 GMT
Interesting the latest TV spot advertising has subtitled this "THE FINAL CHAPTER". Reboot post Bumblebee movie sans Bay? Who knows. Sometimes marketing people just make this kind of shit up. It happened with 'Star Trek: Nemesis' where the cast only became aware it was 'A Generation's Final Journey' when the promotional posters starting going up! -Ralph |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 20, 2017 19:45:01 GMT
Interesting the latest TV spot advertising has subtitled this "THE FINAL CHAPTER". Reboot post Bumblebee movie sans Bay? |
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Post by Toph on Jun 20, 2017 23:28:23 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jun 21, 2017 5:38:05 GMT
I've been trying to work it out, what is that a filter of? An angel? |
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Post by Dezzeh on Jun 21, 2017 8:21:46 GMT
I have seen the Optimus Prime and Bee heads, they kind of suck. Not sure on this one yet obviously!
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Post by Toph on Jun 21, 2017 14:43:09 GMT
So, as I announced with my bored photo while waiting for the movie to start, I saw it. I liked it well enough! The designs have now crossed into what I expected more or less when TF Movie was first announced. (Though I think they're too human a bit, with beards) Biggest complaint was it was too long. General comments: -The girl and Squeaks were completely pointless, adding nothing at all to the movie. Which is a shame because I really liked her.
-Squeaks was totally "lets steal that kickball robot everyone liked," and did nothing but be a silly looking distraction.
-Simmons was also completely pointless beyond a cameo to show he's protecting TFs in Cuba. Ninety percent of his stuff could have been cut, and had Anthony Hopkins discover the info another way (not because I don't like Simmons, but for time).
-Hasbro made the dinobots seem like they were gonna be a much bigger deal.
-Where as AoE seemed to draw a lot from Animated, TLK seems to draw an equal amount from Aligned. They could have had Fixit running around and not remotely feel out of place. Unicron would have been more of a plot twist had Prime not done it years ago.
-Gemma Chan... *sighs lovingly*
-I would say us abandoning Chicago was unrealistic... but hell. After Katrina, that's exactly what we did to New Orleans. I've been trying to work it out, what is that a filter of? An angel? I don't know. I'm not a cool kid, so I don't know what any of that stuff means. I don't even know what a "filter" is. |
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Post by primenova on Jun 22, 2017 16:56:59 GMT
Going upto today - anyone seen a paper advert for the movie in the papers?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 22, 2017 19:27:12 GMT
I liked how the trailer made it look like the whole movie was going to be about Evil Optimus Prime, but Prime barely appeared in the first 90 minutes and was only evil for about 5 minutes. This made the whole film better than I thought it would be. It certainly did not feel like the end of the series. So which character is the last knight referred to in the title then? I can't work it out. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 22, 2017 21:11:57 GMT
Saw it today. What a load of shit. Utterly incoherent! It couldn't even manage basic composition of scenes. I was taken aback by how amateurishly it was put together. I enjoyed AOE: I thought that was decent tosh. This made no sense. It was also crushingly boring. The worst of the 5 films by a country mile in every way.
Also very distracting how it kept switching between three different aspect ratios (even in the middle of scenes) in the 2D print. Fun fact: movies shot in 3D rather than post converted do that to help aid the 'popping out' parts of the 3D effect. Sometimes the aspect ratio is standardised for the 2d print but not this time.
Disappointed. I had thought the films were on the up after AOE. I saw that 3 times it was so much fun but this...I must now say words I thought I would never say: come back Orci & Kurtzman and Kruger: all is forgiven. The new writers are just shit. They can't put together simple scenes of people taking to each other without characterisation wavering all over the place: sometimes in the middle of lines!
Words fail me as to how badly put together this movie was. I saw it with Nick and we found it failed the most basic rule of storytelling: we couldn't say what the story was about in one sentence.
Martin: I can never work the spoiler tag but the last knight was clearly identified in the dialogue several times. One thing the movie DID manage to make clear. The only thing!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 23, 2017 5:18:39 GMT
Martin: I can never work the spoiler tag but the last knight was clearly identified in the dialogue several times. One thing the movie DID manage to make clear. The only thing!!! I know who the humans decided it referred to at a certain point in the film, before other things happened, but... never mind. It doesn't really matter. Martin |
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Post by primenova on Jun 23, 2017 11:16:05 GMT
> Mark Wahlberg, who returns from Age of Extinction as Cade Yaeger, discussing the role that director Michael Bay has created for himself within the franchise - and he does not expect him to leave as he has said a number of times already.
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Post by primenova on Jun 23, 2017 11:27:37 GMT
Still no adverts in the paper for the film. the sun run with a 2 page spreads for the £5 for 28 codes instead. But there is an half page review 2 star
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Post by The Huff on Jun 23, 2017 15:54:19 GMT
Just seen it. {Spoiler}I was ready for it to be 'not good' but... why!!!  Why THAT bad!!!!? It even managed to out do the 'Martha' bit in Batman V Superman too with Optimus pretty much going: "I will kill you - oh hey, you an talk now! Let's be friends." |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 23, 2017 16:31:05 GMT
I don't know why you guys keep going to these films looking for coherent plot and characterisation. I stopped judging them on those criteria yonks ago.  I went into TLK prepared to filter out the things I know I don't like (e.g. 'comedy' black guy, older people, science geek, sexual innuendoes, etc.) and even go out to the loo during those bits, with my criteria for enjoyment being whether or not Michael Bay can make it even more preposterous and ridiculous than the previous four films. And I think he succeeded in doing that. There were obviously no conversations in the making of this film that went like this: "Shall we do such-and-such?" "No, that would be over the top and would add nothing to the plot." "OK, we'll leave it out then." For such-and-such, read things like: Scene showing Bumblebee fighting Nazis in World War II. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 23, 2017 16:48:55 GMT
I go into these films judging them for what they are. I went into TLK wanting to enjoy it. I have a wide range of filmic interests and have a huge soft spot for Big Dumb Action Films (which are just as difficult to do well as the most searing of straight dramas). The 'Fast and the Furious' films inhabit that sub-genre very well. It's about having a consistent tone and plot logic and consistency that can be nutty as a fruitcake but works in context. TF: Age of Extinction, for me, just about managed it. TLK was, in my opinion, a failure in even the most basic skills of scriptwriting. I'm judging it on that basis, not because I was expecting Shakespeare.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 23, 2017 17:02:53 GMT
The Fast and Furious films bore and irritate me because some of the lead characters try to act like they think they're in a serious film, and the action lapses for long enough that I can't ignore the fact that those characters are rubbish. Essentially, I feel the films are wasting my time whenever it's not an action scene. What I find with Michael Bay films is he keeps the action going at such a pace that I can avoid thinking about whether the script is rubbish or not. I just switch off my brain and laugh at how over the top it all is.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 23, 2017 17:08:06 GMT
The Fast and Furious films bore and irritate me because some of the lead characters try to act like they think they're in a serious film, Martin Ah, for me their overly seriousness acting adds a hilarious element of charm which elevates the tosh factor a thousand-fold. I fear Vin Diesal ever becoming self-aware because then the films just wouldn't work anymore! -Ralph |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 23, 2017 17:10:45 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 23, 2017 17:29:06 GMT
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 23, 2017 18:18:41 GMT
Well, at least Mark Kermode has a good reason to keep watching Michael Bay Transformers films despite knowing from the previous four outings that he doesn't like them. (He gets paid to see them.) The Telegraph focuses on the film's strengths. Kermode focuses on its weaknesses. Most of what he says is strictly speaking true. Three stars. Martin |
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Post by The Huff on Jun 23, 2017 22:20:27 GMT
I'm all for mindless fun and spectacle - that's exactly the mind set I went in with. But this just didn't even give me that. I just found a lot of it irritating, boring and embarrassing for some reason. CGI and effects were outstanding, but I wish it was used on other things, like transformations for instance. There was also a heck of a lot of new things that just weren't explained. Which could (and should) have been if it replaced the awkward sillyness. Editing, as usual was all over the place. But of course this is just my view. {Spoiler}I also can't believe that a headmaster was in it that didn't even become the head for the vehicle he was driving. He also completely broke the fourth wall twice which felt really out of place. |
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Post by Toph on Jun 24, 2017 1:46:58 GMT
Having sat on it for the better part of a week, I've focused my thoughts to one major thing: It tried to do too much, and that's why it was so incoherent in places. There were about three or four completely different movies here, wrapped up into one. Bay could not decide what movie he wanted to make, and as a result made several in one.
Each one, by itself could have been a really compelling movie on it's own. Like the girl in chicago trying to survive on her own with her new family of transformers, then Cade coming along and helping her protect them from the government. That goes nowhere.
The government decides it's gonna work with Megatron. This goes nowhere.
Megatron talks them into releasing some decepticons. They get snazzy fun introes, and unusual for decepticons, actually get personalities. The whole thing feels like a Suicide Squad/Zany Heist set up. It goes nowhere. And with as little focus as they got from here out, it could have been cut for time, because new decepticons had never needed explaining before.
This is more to hasbro than Bay, but it almost seemed going in like this would be Dinosaurs vs Dragons. I mean, the dinobots were established as THE knights, in the last movie. It was established they were the center of the order, and the last ones. We were also told after AOE they would be a much bigger deal in the next movie.
And Autobot dinosaurs vs Decepticon dragons WOULD BE AMAZING. This went nowhere.
Simmons now leading and protecting a group of transformers in Cuba. This went nowhere.
The whole thing with Hopkins and Cogman, the history of the Transformers and Merlin's legacy seemed to be a completely separate movie from everything else goong on around it. Sometimes part Indiana Jones. Full of elements that went nowhere.
Cogman being a headmaster. This went nowhere. They could have shown him using one of their escape cars as his body. In the big final battle, they could have whacked off Nitro Zeus's (STOP LETTING BAY NAME SHIT) head, and had Cogman take the body (the toys have this ability, it seems like it was planned at one point. Odd that they're the only two that can do this). This went nowhere.
"I AM NEMESIS PRIME!" This whole arc pretty much went nowhere.
All of these things given primary focus, would have been a really strong movie in it's own right. But all of them together, with very little focus or build, just made it long, and seemingly pointless. |
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 24, 2017 18:32:03 GMT
I enjoyed it, but thats hardly surprising its only ROTF that I really ever disliked.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 25, 2017 21:51:23 GMT
I really enjoyed The Last Knight.
Best since the first film.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 26, 2017 12:31:20 GMT
Serious question: what was the story? I have no idea.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 26, 2017 17:04:00 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 26, 2017 18:17:56 GMT
Serious question: what was the story? I have no idea. -Ralph I'll give this a go. Curious to see if I got it myself. Spoilers just in case. Spoiler
A secret organisation has protected the knowledge of Transformers on earth for the past 1600 years. While Also doing a nice line of WWII propoganda material.
We then spend a pleasant half hour on what clearly was the original folow up to AOE with Cade running around failing to save Transformers and picking up a replacement daughter and employee while the Autobots bicker in the background.
Meanwhile on Cybertron Tessa is hanging around hoping someone shows up who she can make steal a staff that the previously mentioned secret group have been protecting. Helpfully Prime makes himself available and is promptly hypnotised in to believing he is Nemisis Prime. With the staff she can drain the power from Unicron (earth) and bring Cybertron back to life.
Back on Earth The Secret group have been reduced down to a possibly inbred Anthony Hopkins. But even he is with it enough to realise hes not up to the job of saving the world. But is crazy enough to think Cade is the guy to do it because he was given a badge by a dying Transformer.
General Moreshower (Yay!) and the chap from Las Vegas for reasons negotiate a prisoner release so that Megatron can track down the staff that the secret organisation has apparently failed to keep secret. The plan seems to be to follow the decepticons to were Cade is despite them already knowing where he is and then attacking everybody and hoping to end up with the badge which they hope will then lead them to the staff.
Mad Hopkins butler, Cogman, arrives in time to save Cade then insists he and Bumblebee join him in England.
And thus ends the remains of whatever follow up to AOE was originally planned.
In England we are introduced to English Megan Fox Replacement V2.0. This one is allowed to act. We are also introduced to her family, because that happens in Transformers films. Deal with it. Meg2.0 is the last of a Merlins blood line and also part of the secret organisation which also apparently included the Witwickys. This makes Sams great Grandads handing over of Megatron to the US government a little bit weird but he was probably mad as Hopkins if Sam is a typical example of the bloodline.
Cade and Meg2.0 meet and instantly fall in love. Hopkins leaves them to go on a date in a Submarine that is probably a Transformer, but doesnt transform and Cogman despite being a headmaster doesnt become it or any other transformers head in the entire film. WTF! Bay stop trolling us. Hopkins goes to see the Primeminister and in a scene that is clearly another victim of Brexits fast paced affects on British politics meets Cameron instead of May. Or maybe two evil robot Tessas in the same film was just considered confusing. Who knows.
Submarine bot take the trio to a ship? at the bottom of the ocean where the find the staff that everyone wants as well as the guardians who worked alongside Merlin and the secret organisation. The cast of the previous follow up to AOE are now suddenly are written back in to the new AOE sequel and show us. Prime reappears at this point with Cybertron appearing in orbit too.
Prime starts fighting everybody as the ship begins rising out of the ocean. Prime steals the staff, but is stopped in a "Martha" moment by bumblebe suddenly finding his real voice. The Decepticons steal the staff and go to Stonehenge were Hopkins shoots Megatron and is promptly killed for his troubles.
Chap from Las Vegas finally teams up with Cade, the Transformers and random replacement daughter in a battle in the skies above Stonehenge. Bumblebee shoots Tessa and Prime kicks Megatron out of Cybertron in what may or may not be a homage to Galvatrons fate in the animated movie. I'm kind of hoping it means Megatron ends up travelling back through time to 80s Earth where the story will be picked up in the Bumblebee spinoff prequel.
Earth has had large parts of its land mass scraped away, presumably with billions dead. I also think Earth now has a Cybertron attached to it and the Autobots are relocating there because Humans have frankly not been very nice to them on the whole. Theres also the somewhat awkward fact that Earth has a Unicron in it, or Unicron has an Earth on itdepending on your point of view.
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Why THAT bad!!!!? 
