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Post by The Doctor on Jul 11, 2015 22:25:37 GMT
Ok. Asked you politely twice. Keep this up and I'll delete your posts in this thread.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 12, 2015 13:56:28 GMT
Back to the Japanese add on *-Masters. A couple of thoughts occur: As an aside I learned about three random powermaster engines I never knew existed, always nice to learn new stuff about Transformers. While the Headmasters are all new designs, the Powermasters are repaints of the three Autobot Powermaster Engines. Of the 3 Master concepts done to this point you'd have thought add on Targetmasters, extra weapons, would have been the easiest sell. But no, they're the ones that didn't get done! There's easy money right there with colour inverts of the Tragetmasters. |
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 12, 2015 13:59:47 GMT
Rather foolishly last night after a pint or two I decided I'd try and fit all the Seibertron images of the Titan Wars line art into one composite image to see if it shed any light on anything. I don't think I've done anything that hasn't already been explored, but the end results (or a scaled down version thereof) are attached below. I couldn't actually find the point the image tessellates, as it seems there are two bands that don't have a convenient break point. But things I noticed that I hadn't before: 1. Top right you can (I think anyway) see Nebulos. There are two planets hidden up there, and the lower one has a wispy ring system round it at the same angle the ring was shown in the Marvel Headmasters comic. 2. That isn't Astrotrain, the head is clearly Prime. The head also doesn't turn into a smaller mirror image of the bigger robot like Blaster does. The dotted line shows what goes with what. 3. The small tank and hoverjet thing have dotted lines connecting them to another mode for the Prime figure which we can't see, which I would guess is a base mode. 4. Fort Max's city mode is what we can't see at the top. 5. Theory time - the name Titan Wars is confusing us. What if this is a total scale change, not something that integrates with the existing line. What if the small robots that turn into heads are the proper Transformers we know, like Blaster & Prime, and that the bigger, what we're guessing are potentially leader size toys, are massive Transtector type bodies for them to pilot? Then you could call it the war of the titans, because Prime would be controlling that large shuttle type figure which is absolutely enormous compared to him.   |
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Post by kayevcee on Jul 12, 2015 14:42:52 GMT
Of the 3 Master concepts done to this point you'd have thought add on Targetmasters, extra weapons, would have been the easiest sell. But no, they're the ones that didn't get done! There's easy money right there with colour inverts of the Tragetmasters. I think there were a couple of factors. The Targetmasters weren't pushed that hard in Japan- they weren't major players in Headmasters (hence the name) and the remoulded movie characters weren't added to bulk up the range. Also, I wonder if the Headmaster warriors were sold not as add-ons so much as replacements for kids who had lost or broken their original heads. A gunless Targetmaster can inherit another weapon (sorry Ralph) but a headless Headmaster is little more than a toy vehicle/animal. Pinwig- well done for doing that! The shuttle-bloke if anything looks like Mach from Landcross, or maybe Energon Jetfire. -Nick |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 12, 2015 14:57:57 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 12, 2015 15:08:26 GMT
5. Theory time - the name Titan Wars is confusing us. Too right. The word Titan is used for too many things with Transformers at the moment, not least the Generations size as Dyrl has just demonstrated above. What if this is a total scale change, not something that integrates with the existing line. What if the small robots that turn into heads are the proper Transformers we know, like Blaster & Prime, and that the bigger, what we're guessing are potentially leader size toys, are massive Transtector type bodies for them to pilot? Then you could call it the war of the titans, because Prime would be controlling that large shuttle type figure which is absolutely enormous compared to him. I don't think that's the case: one of the small head figures is driving a human design car elsewhere on that diagram. |
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 12, 2015 15:31:58 GMT
Call me crazy but that Not Astrotrain could be Overlord with Primes head on it. The side on view has what looks like tank tracks running the length. I dont think the legs form a seperate tank but could be there to homage the originals. Torso certainly has some similarity to Overlord. It also looks like it has two mini vehicles a flying thing and a tank and each is being drivn by a different mini figures. In which case one has a Prime like head and the other could be an overlord head.
On the other hand the big vibe I get from it is Energon Omega Supreme which did combine and end up with a Prime head. Space ship instead of shuttle of the original making its a bit of a hybrid.
Also on the side view does anyone else thing that it might have been drawn mistransformed? Its feel look like the nose cone, but stuck on the back and upside down is a much more foot looking shape.
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 12, 2015 17:22:46 GMT
Oh! That is fantastic thinking. That head could actually be Overlord, it doesn't have to be Prime. It could easily be Overlord, which would make the mini jet and tank a nod to the original. I wonder if that's why the base mode for that figure has been deliberately kept off what was seen at Botcon as that would have given it away.
We also have those rumours saying there's a Powermaster Prime coming from Ultra Magnus, so it'd make sense if this figure was nothing to do with Prime at all.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 12, 2015 18:01:58 GMT
It's interesting to take the Headmaster shots and flip em over to get a closer look at the face on the figure's back This first robot is the one linked to the Optimus Head  Yeah sort of Optimusy. Maybe. Here's the Optimus head itself  They MIGHT be the same thing. Here's the second robot, seen linked to the Blaster head  That doesn't look like the Blaster head seen elsewhere in the picture.  In fact it looks more Rodimusy. There's another head down the bottom of the picture front on  And that looks like it could be the back of the second robot |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 12, 2015 18:20:20 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 12, 2015 19:15:27 GMT
Oh I hadn't noticed that one. That makes it much easier to see where the image repeats. I've got mine the wrong way up. That is such a troll to put all those images behind a bloomin' great Combiner Wars banner.
Good detective work there on the heads. Things are definitely not what they seem with that overall image. I can't work out who the head with the big chin is. I was just looking at the Optimus head next to the original G1 Overlord toy and it does look more like Prime. Overlord doesn't have a faceplate or the trademark crest bit on the forehead.
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Post by Benn on Jul 12, 2015 19:55:28 GMT
The Astrotrain head looks a little Skyquake-y to me.
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 12, 2015 20:00:34 GMT
Hmm, the body matches up pretty well too, aside from being way to blocky.
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 12, 2015 20:34:37 GMT
Oh I hadn't noticed that one. That makes it much easier to see where the image repeats. I've got mine the wrong way up. That is such a troll to put all those images behind a bloomin' great Combiner Wars banner. Good detective work there on the heads. Things are definitely not what they seem with that overall image. I can't work out who the head with the big chin is. I was just looking at the Optimus head next to the original G1 Overlord toy and it does look more like Prime. Overlord doesn't have a faceplate or the trademark crest bit on the forehead. If it was Overlord the heads assuming they are the correct ones Iat a stretch the prime like one could be a mix of Overlord head and one of the powermasters face. Probably over thinking it now. But really if Titan Wars does have any thing at all to do with Titan class toys and Fort Max kinda suggests it does then its a good time for a large Decepticon. Everyone keeps mentioning Scorponok and trypticon as the obvious two, but I can think of two good reasons why Hasbro might prefer Overlord. - CW seems to have been very much about real world vehicle moulds, even Scattershot has been given an element of robot in disguise. Now Fort Max is unlikely to be mistaken for New York in city mode, but with Devasator the went as far as changing Mixmaster for more modern look. - Overlord has been a more prominent character in IDW and his MTMTE appearance would probably be about around when Hasbro would have been developing the line. (and his last appearance involved Blaster related things) And in Japan I imagine he reasonably well known from G1. Maybe not as much as Trypticon and Scorponok, but well enough to sell. |
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Post by primenova on Jul 14, 2015 8:59:11 GMT
I think I know where Hasbro are going with the name Titan Wars. With it not being a whole line of Titan class toys - it is more going along the lines of Titan to the mini head toy. So this could mean Hasbro are going with robot heads & not humans (if this is a Takara instruction or Hasbro talks with IDW it is unsure at the moment). So a normal transformers size robot transform into an head of a titan transformer - but the toy being DX size.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 14, 2015 9:04:43 GMT
That point came out upthread Pete - there's a podcast linked where it's revealed. If you look at some of the Head pictures above several of the smaller robots distinctly resemble larger ones. |
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Post by primenova on Jul 14, 2015 11:39:36 GMT
I've not watched the podcast - only the one for the new game.
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 21, 2015 21:47:20 GMT
That's not beyond the realms of possibility it has to be said, but the release rate for figures that big would have to change to make them both viable for the ranges they go with. I do think Trypticon is too 'square' a figure to do at Metroplex's size - Metroplex I can see being cost effective because around the waist and thighs there's very little of him. Trypticon would need a whole lot more plastic and probably be unviable. It's an interesting situation though. I wonder if Hasbro see Devastator as the sole 'Con Titan offering.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 31, 2015 13:22:26 GMT
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Post by Llama God on Jul 31, 2015 13:56:53 GMT
Primus wept... Oh I do so hope that those rumours are true...
Assuming there that the Leader Class Prime'll still be a re-mold of Leader Magnus, but with the remolding allowing for Headmasterishness.
And beast partners that the Headmasters can ride in? Oh gods, please let this be true!
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 31, 2015 14:58:18 GMT
Beast Riders!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 31, 2015 15:16:10 GMT
3. You can expect the other Headmasters to be released in Voyager Class like Brainstorm This would be the greatest thing Hasbro could ever do if you ask me. That's the question mark at the moment with this line isn't it... we can see how the Legends/Leaders work, but if Voyagers are Headmasters and Deluxes are Targetmasters... I would be over the moon. So on that note then - which Decepticon Headmaster can Sky Lynx be remoulded into? Bit more worrying. That connector was proven not to be roadworthy. Brainstorm was an excellent proof of concept, but needed fixing. The heads need to be bigger too imho. I would guess that's been worked on. Well that is just ridiculously awesome. And so is that. Targetmaster Hot Rod, Blurr, Kup... How do you beat Combiner Wars? You don't even need an answer to that question when Hasbro already did it once in 86/87. Just do it again. |
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Post by Llama God on Jul 31, 2015 16:11:53 GMT
How do you beat Combiner Wars? You don't even need an answer to that question when Hasbro already did it once in 86/87. Just do it again. Does this mean we can expect Pretenders in 2018..? |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 31, 2015 16:22:14 GMT
I would explode in ecstasy if that happened.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Jul 31, 2015 20:24:28 GMT
I would happily get behind a new blurr.
The Drift retool was a horrible idea, and looks absolutely nothing like any version of blurr ever had before (or since).
Actually, I'd be happy to see updates of the trio, Blurr, Kup, and Hotrod.
Gen Kup is great, but would like to see a more accurate version.
And Hotrod, they could go with the EJ Su earth mode (with a sideburn retool built in).
That way we could have cybertronian versions and earth versions of all three.
I'd be more fine with the Drift retool alongside a more accurate cybertronian version.
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Post by Toph on Aug 1, 2015 18:54:10 GMT
I was thinking.
Horrorcons and small headmasters aside... Every damned main headmaster has now been done, between Hasbro, Funpub, and 3Ps... EXCEPT Highbrow! And I'm still not entirely sure anyone has put him on the agenda.
I just want SOMEONE TO DO HIGHBROW! I don't care who, anymore!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 1, 2015 18:58:54 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 1, 2015 19:16:10 GMT
Highbrow was my favourite Headmaster as a kid. I loved his alt mode and his unusual bio. I was really hoping Toyworld would do one because I don't favour the FansProject aesthetic and what they've subsequently shown doesn't look much like Highbrow to me, but Toyworld seem preoccupied with combiners these days.
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Post by Toph on Aug 1, 2015 20:04:23 GMT
They been talking about that one since chromedome. And thats been a few years now.
It's nice to see renders finally, but at this point I'm not sure I'll accept it as fact until they show prototypes.
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 1, 2015 21:04:53 GMT
I am pretty sure they have. Some were shown in the last few weeks. I thought it was at TFCon but I can't find the pictures now. Edit: nope, it was a revised render:  The copter is okay but to me the robot looks like the other function X robots, like they're made out of Lego. The face isn't right either. |
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