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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 22, 2015 11:00:37 GMT
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Post by Toph on Jun 22, 2015 11:50:34 GMT
Every bit of fiction he's been in, he's been undisputedly the leader. G1 cartoon, g1 dreamwave, g1 idw (until he was killed and the burden of leadership was forced on prowl), and likely G1 marvel though i can't remember the constructicons being important enough to stand out. tfwiki.net/wiki/Scrapper_(G1)What there isn't any fiction for, is that the team leader HAS to be torso or head. |
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Post by legios on Jun 22, 2015 15:08:27 GMT
I don't recall ever having a vibe of the Constructicons having a leader perse. They felt more like a gaggle of the lead who followed the orders of whomever proved themselves strong enough to unseat the current Decepticon leader (or who was Soundwave), than being possessed of any real hierarchy amongst themselves. Something that the Universe and A-Z entries didn't really do anything to suggest wasn't the case (and as the Cartoon was only ever really on when I was leaving the house to go to school it was never really a factor for me.)
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 22, 2015 17:37:10 GMT
I'm struggling to think of any of the Constructicons being a leader without looking it up!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 22, 2015 17:59:54 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 22, 2015 18:03:01 GMT
Added Poll and moved posts to their own thread.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 22, 2015 18:19:09 GMT
Ahem! There is no sausage option in this poll!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 22, 2015 18:33:59 GMT
I don't think the Constructicons are led by a sausage!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 18:45:27 GMT
I'd maybe say Bonecrusher. He led their mission to retrieve the cold-stored Decepticons from the Ark in the Marvel comics.
But then, Scrapper is considered by Megatron to be the most valuable Construction in his Universe profile.
Hmmmm.
I think it's actually Scavenger. BECAUSE HE JUST FOUND SOMETHING SHINY TO SHARE WITH THE REST OF THE TEAM!
-- Graham
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Post by Benn on Jun 22, 2015 18:48:48 GMT
This is hard for me, because everywhere the Constructicons have been, Scrapper has been the guy in charge...
Except the comics, which is what I defer to. They were just there, and led like anyone else would have been. No-on asks who the leader of the cassettes is...
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Post by Llama God on Jun 22, 2015 21:07:55 GMT
It's gong to have to be Scrapper for me. But I have no idea how I know this...
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 22, 2015 21:32:02 GMT
It's always been Scrapper in my mind. Even before my recent travels into Sunbow. It just fits. He has the plans and designs.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 22, 2015 22:34:49 GMT
I don't think the Constructicons are led by a sausage! It is a hub poll without a sausage option. You know you are in the wrong. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 22, 2015 22:35:57 GMT
No-one asks who the leader of the cassettes is... Damn it. Now I want to know. -Ralph |
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Post by Llama God on Jun 23, 2015 8:36:13 GMT
Soundwave. Obviously. He is, after all, superior.
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Post by primenova on Jun 23, 2015 8:43:34 GMT
Scrapper does always turn up as leader - that could be the reason he was killed in IDW. All the Prowl stuff wouldn't have happened if he was around. But he is just a foot. I think Scavenger does come in 2nd.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 23, 2015 8:49:55 GMT
Wow. if so many of you think it is Scrapper then there must be something there but I'll be completely honest, I've never seen it. It's not there in the toys bios, and definitely not there in the Marvel comics. I've not noticed it in the cartoon or the films but could accept that there might be something there I haven't seen whichhas been an influence on what comes later.
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Post by Dezzeh on Jun 23, 2015 8:51:28 GMT
I think it is Scrapper because of Heavy Metal Wars, he did the instructions, gave the orders. Scrapper4lyfe!
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 23, 2015 10:26:21 GMT
Yeah, Heavy Metal War is always where I most heavily think of the Constucticons in their individual components, and Scrapper was the middle man to Megs and gave the orders in the field. I saw that episode possibly more than any other as a kid, so that heirarchy is kinda deep-wired regardless of further evidence.
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 23, 2015 10:27:43 GMT
Soundwave. Obviously. He is, after all, superior. Ratbat, surely? |
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Post by Llama God on Jun 23, 2015 10:29:11 GMT
Good point.
Although his relationship with Soundwave is, of course, complicated...
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Post by Toph on Jun 23, 2015 10:38:09 GMT
Enemy lords over the cassettes!!!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 23, 2015 11:01:47 GMT
Yes I think if you are looking at the cartoon you would err on the side Scrapper having seen Heavy Metal War, although it's curious in the Movie he makes no attempt to assert any authority when Astrotrain is taking them back. It's Bonecrusher who is more prominent,
In the comic, especially in the UK I don't think there is a specific team leader you could point to. Indeed, they are not really held in high regard. As the first gestalt team they are arguably the poorest and something that is even acknowledged in the strips themselves.
That could quite possibly be why the special teams are 5 man based, with one being set as the leader, to help drive the consciousness of the combined form.
Andy
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 23, 2015 12:16:36 GMT
It's a nice idea that aside from being a shared consciousness all the myriad thoughts are screened and filtered through a single more dominant (or perhaps, focused) mind.
That's also why i'm not entirely taken with this new turn for combiners that IDW has taken, that an entirely new mind and is born of the fusion and reluctant to give itself up. I mean it's a new and different way of going about it, but the combined form has never been as interesting to me as the individuals that compose it. The gestalt is a superpower, and the individuals are characters. And the individuals always suffered enough as it was in the fiction and fandom consciousness as being merely the means to the combiner end without this new take reinforcing it.
(Still want the comics to bring Slingshot back. If I ever had the chance at AA I might talk to James about how it could be done.)
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Post by Benn on Jun 23, 2015 12:27:04 GMT
"Your friend here, turns out, he's only mostly dead."
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 23, 2015 12:29:01 GMT
Characters have come back from worse. Rather, I'd like to try and sell him as a character that could fit the kinds of themes MTMTE runs with. And also superficially appeal to his JLI-inspirations. "He's the guy that WILL hit Rodimus".
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 23, 2015 12:29:45 GMT
I like ranks and rank structures quite a bit, and this is how I've always had it in my mind. Scrapper, leader rank 7, Hook number 2, rank 6, as he is next most usefull, then Mixmaster and Scavenger based on their usefullness, ranked 5 or 6, with Longhaul and Bonecrusher last in rank, prob rank 4, as they are more manual labourer types and not too smart. So function based, with thought given to their personality. Mixmaster couldn't be leader 'cos his a bit bonkers, for example. Hook I don't think is very popular. Scrapper, although having his own, disturbing, personality trait, is the most sensible, reliable and respected.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 14:56:02 GMT
Which Constructicon has the balls in Revenge of the Fallen? The one with the balls should lead.
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Post by primenova on Jun 23, 2015 17:26:46 GMT
Megatron always gives the orders to Scrapper - I'm going to rewatch series 1/2 to double check.
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Post by Benn on Jun 23, 2015 17:31:55 GMT
Hook I don't think is very popular. I think Hook leads in the Botcon Classics universe, though... And a quick look at the TFWiki makes me think that Hightower has the balls. All of a sudden I don't want to spend any more time on this subject. |
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