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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 1, 2020 14:43:41 GMT
Now relocated to the correct place where you can see previous airings of this argument.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 1, 2020 14:55:04 GMT
Sunstreaker has always been one of my least favourite of the 1984-5 cars, because he's too monochrome. Specifically, his torso, upper legs, lower legs and feet are all a uniform yellow. By contrast, Sideswipe has silver feet, black lower legs, white upper legs, black hips, a white stomach and red chest.
Ironhide is another one who is too monochrome - all red, in contrast to Ratchet who is a mix of red and white. Most of the Autobot cars have different colours for their upper legs from for their lower legs, or from their torso. But Sunstreaker and Ironhide look like they're wearing track suits or pyjamas.
I think Sunstreaker would look better with red stickers on his upper legs as well as on his shoulders.
Martin
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 1, 2020 15:37:28 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 1, 2020 16:04:50 GMT
Hmmm. Perhaps yellow shoulder launchers (which you've got red) but red upper arms (which you've got yellow), and then a red Autobot symbol and non-yellow eyes, and it might look half-decent. But really the dark areas should be black, not blue. Yellow and black with a little bit of red - no blue.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 1, 2020 16:08:41 GMT
Burns is unable to admit he's wrong on this because it's a gateway to admitting he's wrong on other things on which he will not budge. The red stickers are a mistake. As are Hotrod's. I can't believe we have reached the stage of saying the original toys are 'wrong'. Has the Hub entered Trump World??? And. Wait. Hang on. What the fuck. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HOT ROD EITHER!!! -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 1, 2020 16:10:40 GMT
But he's right. Also, Ralph is right. Ralph is right that it is the original toy. I am right that the original toy is WRONG!!!!! How are you more right than THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THE TOY??? This is your most bonkers mad theory so far by far! By far! -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 1, 2020 16:19:56 GMT
Burns is unable to admit he's wrong on this because it's a gateway to admitting he's wrong on other things on which he will not budge. The red stickers are a mistake. As are Hotrod's. I can't believe we have reached the stage of saying the original toys are 'wrong'. Has the Hub entered Trump World??? The original toys are the Diaclone and the stickers match the bodywork for both Diaclone versions. Sunstreaker is a rare case of a TF colour scheme being completely new. Tracks is another. And. Wait. Hang on. What the fuck. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HOT ROD EITHER!!! -Ralph The stickers for the car are pink, as per prototype and don't match the production version. The ones for the legs are too big, also presumably inherited from the prototype. tfwiki.net/wiki/Hot_Rod_(G1)/toys#The_Transformers |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 1, 2020 16:24:51 GMT
I can't believe we have reached the stage of saying the original toys are 'wrong'. I fear you opened that door when you denied the Special Teams' right to swap limbs, a right endorsed by the instruction leaflets... And Ultra Magnus's ability to assume his white cab-robot mode... I think it's reasonable to declare the original toys 'wrong' whenever you can make a rational case for suggesting that the makers did something they didn't intend to do. So saying Starscream and Skywarp's tech-spec ratings were wrong (a printing error) is fine, because clearly the Air Commander should have the higher rank than the warrior. And there is a good case for saying Sideswipe and Sunstreaker's character bios were paired with the wrong toys because they say Sideswipe has the rear-mounted engine and punching-arms and Sunstreaker has the rifle. But I don't see any such strong case for saying Sunstreaker's red shoulder stickers are a mistake. I think they improve him. (Even in car mode.) Martin |
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Post by Toph on Mar 1, 2020 16:30:17 GMT
There is a simple solution to fix the problem- Simply extend the red to cover the entire rear fender, instead of the back half of it. He gets the proper red shoulders, without it ruining the car. I mean look at the original car: Is there anything about those red patches that looks right like the belong there! The purpose of the sticker is to make the piece of black plastic blend in with the rest of the bodywork. If it's not the same colour as the rest of the bodywork it fails! Or do you think someone randomly thought "it'd be really cool if Sunstreaker had red shoulders different from the rest of the toy and spoiling the look of the car"? |
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 1, 2020 16:41:52 GMT
Mr Pins, you've used Toyhex? Do they do a sticker set for Sunstreaker? If so are there extra/alternate stickers for the shoulders? Their set is designed to be a perfect repro of the original, so it's red. Sometimes they do alternate sets to enhance toys, but there isn't one for Sunstreaker. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 1, 2020 17:14:31 GMT
Colour and sticker schemes from one toyline do not restrict or control a subsequent toyline.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 1, 2020 17:23:45 GMT
Hmmm. Perhaps yellow shoulder launchers (which you've got red) but red upper arms (which you've got yellow), and then a red Autobot symbol and non-yellow eyes, and it might look half-decent. But really the dark areas should be black, not blue. Yellow and black with a little bit of red - no blue. Martin Using the Marvel US colour palette/choices at the mo - so the blue would be black.  |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 1, 2020 17:27:38 GMT
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Post by Toph on Mar 1, 2020 17:28:38 GMT
Hmmm. Perhaps yellow shoulder launchers (which you've got red) but red upper arms (which you've got yellow), and then a red Autobot symbol and non-yellow eyes, and it might look half-decent. But really the dark areas should be black, not blue. Yellow and black with a little bit of red - no blue. Martin Using the Marvel US colour palette/choices at the mo - so the blue would be black. That looks a lot better! |
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Post by Toph on Mar 1, 2020 17:31:14 GMT
Might look a bit better if his midriff were red.
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Post by Benn on Mar 1, 2020 17:48:46 GMT
Guys, you’re hurting me here...
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 1, 2020 18:24:38 GMT
This is red thighs Magnus all over again.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 1, 2020 18:31:01 GMT
Ralph is right that it is the original toy. I am right that the original toy is WRONG!!!!! How are you more right than THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THE TOY??? The people who made the toy may well have intended something different to what we got IE they thought the stickers would be yellow. Mistakes of this nature have happened many many times. |
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 1, 2020 18:51:43 GMT
As fans, we know far better than Hasbro.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 1, 2020 19:00:47 GMT
No! No, we don't!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 1, 2020 19:09:29 GMT
Sorry, Doc', but WE DO.
The Transformers is OURS not theirs!!!
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Post by Benn on Mar 1, 2020 19:26:08 GMT
This is sacrilege.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 1, 2020 19:54:37 GMT
Saying two stickers are the wrong colour is small fry. Don't forget this is the same firm that issued two toys in the wrong colour in 1984!
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Post by Benn on Mar 1, 2020 20:36:40 GMT
I like the red shoulders. They bring a nice touch to him. I’m looking at the masterpiece and while he doesn’t miss them, it’d be nice if they were there.
Which two toys? Is this the Skywarp/Starscream swap thing?
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Post by Toph on Mar 1, 2020 21:04:14 GMT
He means the red bumblebee and yellow cliffjumper
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 1, 2020 22:38:39 GMT
Saying two stickers are the wrong colour is small fry. Don't forget this is the same firm that issued two toys in the wrong colour in 1984! No they didn't! -Ralph |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 1, 2020 22:56:48 GMT
What has been made, has been made.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 1, 2020 23:26:45 GMT
...and cannot be unmade...
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Post by Jaymz on Mar 1, 2020 23:59:08 GMT
The people who made the toy may well have intended something different to what we got IE they thought the stickers would be yellow. Mistakes of this nature have happened many many times. The box art for Sunstreaker includes the red shoulders, unlikely it was a mistake. What's that you say? Bluestreak? The box art for Bluestreak was a reuse of the Diaclone box art. Diaclone Sunstreaker didn't have box art, it was created for Transformers. Also, considering it was a new colourscheme for the TF release, they couldn't use a Diaclone version for the instruction booklet photos. Plenty of the decision makers would have seen the red shoulders, a fairly easy change if they wanted them in yellow [stickers would have been a cheaper change than plastic colour] and yet, they remained red. I agree that they're a hold over from the red Diaclone Sunstreaker, but with ample opportunity to change them to yellow stickers going unutilised, I wouldn't say they're a mistake, rather a conscious choice. |
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Post by Toph on Mar 2, 2020 0:20:07 GMT
I would say that there are two possibilities-
Either they would have to likely create an entirely new sticker set in order to change the color, and they didn't want to spend the money for that
Or after for whatever reasons the sun/swipe colors got swapped, someone correctly decided that it looks better with the red on the shoulders.
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