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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 9, 2015 19:15:57 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Oct 10, 2015 16:14:54 GMT
That was good stuff. Not something I normally notice but I reall enjoyed the colour palette being used there. And where is Prowl?? {Spoiler}Inside Pretender Kup I reckon!  |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 10, 2015 17:03:45 GMT
Yes there are some hints that might be the case. can't be Kup, no Cygar |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Oct 10, 2015 17:42:49 GMT
The Clue that the Eyes met before!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 11, 2015 20:49:07 GMT
Managed to snag a copy of the Ashcan via EBAY.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Andy
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 30, 2015 0:23:05 GMT
It has arrived and it is lovely!
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 30, 2015 18:51:14 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 4, 2015 13:07:47 GMT
Now 25th November
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 5, 2015 16:55:33 GMT
Same week as DK3 iirc.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 16, 2015 14:57:40 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 18, 2015 10:28:53 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 21, 2015 15:39:21 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Nov 25, 2015 19:32:45 GMT
I was a bit ambivalent on this. Am I allowed to say that here? Issue 1s are always hard I guess, I just still am not sure what the series is about (and got confused because I have no idea when it's set given the events on Earth at the moment that Prowl is running about in). I am probably the only person who doesn't care about Springer at all. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 25, 2015 23:04:42 GMT
I'm not quite clear as to what timeframe it's set in either. That being said. I enjoyed the issue, as for the Kup character, I think it is Kup, but the lack of cygar is important. Given that Prowl does have some form of control over Kup, I think that might account for why Arcee took him out. Realising that if Kup tagged along, he would divert things so Prowl had an outcome entirely desirable for him.
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Post by Kingoji on Nov 29, 2015 0:36:14 GMT
{Spoiler}The lack of Cygar isn't actually important. It has no baring on the manipulations Prowl installed. It was there genuinely as a way for Kup to keep getting his fix of the crystal radiation his spark had become dependant on in his Spotlight, and not having the cygar simply meant he was more likely to flashback to those events and remember that he had murdered platoons of Autobots sent to rescue him. Given that in Infestation he was sent back in time to the birth of the Dead Universe and has thus spent millennia without one, it's a fair bet that in that time he has remembered and come to terms with what he did. Or it's possible, I suppose, that this will be his own personal 'sin' to be dealt with in this series. Either way, my point was that the Cygar has nothing to do with Prowl's control over him. I really enjoyed the issue. Nicks art is always a treat, and I genuinely feel that he's a better writer than any of the current main books have. The only thing narratively speaking that threw me was going from {Spoiler}Springer is missing to {Spoiler}Springer is back in charge , but I trust that will be fleshed out more in the next issue. Art wise, I have to admit that I'm not digging JB's colours here. I get and can partially agree with many of the comments made about it being a stylistic choice intended to fit the more sombre mood of the story, but so help me, I just can't help but think it looks lazy. I've seen books achieve this intended tone with far more interesting and clever use of colours, sadly. {Spoiler}Be interesting to see who Prowl's captor is. No doubt Hubcap being a signal junkie will play some part in penetrating the sound cage. At this point I rather expect that his captor will be Autobot; someone once punished by Tyrest for following his orders, perhaps. A Garrus-9 survivor, to maintain the ties between the books? Someone who was held there before Overlord took the place, and was somehow overlooked when the slaughter happened at the end?
Verity claims the animals are after her. Before the bear attacks her we see the leg of a wolf stalking her. If Carnivac is not in this story I'll piss blood. |
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Post by blueshift on Nov 29, 2015 10:12:17 GMT
It did feel super odd that we never see A 'before' shot of Springer on life support. After all this time I genuinely have no idea how bad he's supposed to be. I have memories of there being a flashback panel in an issue of MTMTE a few years back, but if I didn't remember that I'd have been completely lost! The first time we see him in the issue is when he's fit and well and moving about; either something got cut of there's a good reason for that, I'm thinking. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 29, 2015 10:32:49 GMT
I am not sure if at this stage there is much physical damage left and it was more Springer being in a coma like state. Given that Debris appears to be very lightly staffed that module Springer was in would be almost self-sustaining. Not to mention heavily armoured to prevent further attempts on his life.
The cygar. I still think there is a very definite reason that we are not seeing it on Kup in issue 1. We know Prowl has some influence on Kup. Perhaps it makes it easier for Prowl to directly influence him...or worse to overwrite his personality with his own. A drastic back up plan I know but given Prowl's opinion of his own importance and his current state of mind not entirely out of the question.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 29, 2015 10:41:19 GMT
it's interesting that the only point we see Prowl in real time in this issue is when Kup is unconcious. Convinced Kup somehow is Prowl |
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Post by blueshift on Nov 29, 2015 10:46:00 GMT
it's interesting that the only point we see Prowl in real time in this issue is when Kup is unconcious. Convinced Kup somehow is Prowl I... like that idea. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 29, 2015 10:51:09 GMT
it's interesting that the only point we see Prowl in real time in this issue is when Kup is unconcious. Convinced Kup somehow is Prowl I... like that idea. A mind transfer of some sorts which would account for the lack of cygar. Although Kup's speech to Springer wasn't something that sounded much like Prowl.
Also what was in Prowl's hand when he was talking to Springer? |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 29, 2015 11:57:00 GMT
Note how easy Jup got through Prowl's security too |
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Post by Kingoji on Nov 29, 2015 12:00:57 GMT
I am not sure if at this stage there is much physical damage left and it was more Springer being in a coma like state. Given that Debris appears to be very lightly staffed that module Springer was in would be almost self-sustaining. Not to mention heavily armoured to prevent further attempts on his life.
The cygar. I still think there is a very definite reason that we are not seeing it on Kup in issue 1. We know Prowl has some influence on Kup. Perhaps it makes it easier for Prowl to directly influence him...or worse to overwrite his personality with his own. A drastic back up plan I know but given Prowl's opinion of his own importance and his current state of mind not entirely out of the question.
{Spoiler}But Kup hasn't had the cygar since Infestation. His not having one here is no bigger a deal than in exRID.
Plus, Prowl exploited his back door into Kup's mind at the end of Infestation also. Given how sensitive he is to Arcee's prodding here, I think he's worked out that he's a patsy awhile ago, but has been trying not to give it too much thought. The idea that your thoughts may not be entirely your own would be a horrible thing to have to deal with.
I do think that the connection between the two is something that will play out to it's finality here (at long last) and I'm very excited to see where it all leads. |
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Post by Kingoji on Nov 29, 2015 12:05:27 GMT
{Spoiler}Interesting also to note that one of the headstones bears Rack and Ruin's name. Did we ever get confirmation of his death before? |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 29, 2015 12:33:27 GMT
{Spoiler}Interesting also to note that one of the headstones bears Rack and Ruin's name. Did we ever get confirmation of his death before? I am sure it's referenced in one of the stories in the HC. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 29, 2015 12:35:45 GMT
I am not sure if at this stage there is much physical damage left and it was more Springer being in a coma like state. Given that Debris appears to be very lightly staffed that module Springer was in would be almost self-sustaining. Not to mention heavily armoured to prevent further attempts on his life.
The cygar. I still think there is a very definite reason that we are not seeing it on Kup in issue 1. We know Prowl has some influence on Kup. Perhaps it makes it easier for Prowl to directly influence him...or worse to overwrite his personality with his own. A drastic back up plan I know but given Prowl's opinion of his own importance and his current state of mind not entirely out of the question.
{Spoiler}But Kup hasn't had the cygar since Infestation. His not having one here is no bigger a deal than in exRID.
Plus, Prowl exploited his back door into Kup's mind at the end of Infestation also. Given how sensitive he is to Arcee's prodding here, I think he's worked out that he's a patsy awhile ago, but has been trying not to give it too much thought. The idea that your thoughts may not be entirely your own would be a horrible thing to have to deal with.
I do think that the connection between the two is something that will play out to it's finality here (at long last) and I'm very excited to see where it all leads. Some resolution to the Kup/Prowl dynamic is long overdue. Have to say I hadn't noticed he had been sans cygar since his return, but he's been a background player at best in FKARID, and if I am being charitable that's a comic that has not really engaged me enough and has been something of a letdown. |
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Post by Kingoji on Nov 29, 2015 12:35:56 GMT
Ah, okay. I should reread.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 29, 2015 12:40:20 GMT
Ah, okay. I should reread. Just checked the wiki - it's in the Dead Men's Boots mosaic which is in the HC. |
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Post by blueshift on Nov 29, 2015 15:58:48 GMT
Wait, wait, am I going to be forced to have read Infestation to understand this? D:
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 29, 2015 16:05:25 GMT
Nope.
Andy
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Post by KnightBeat on Nov 29, 2015 19:32:33 GMT
A mind transfer of some sorts which would account for the lack of cygar. Although Kup's speech to Springer wasn't something that sounded much like Prowl. Quoted with spoiler tags, even though it's not actually a SOTW spoiler. Brainstorm cured Kup of his Dead Universe dependency at the end of Dark Cybertron. Could he have modified other aspects of his body structure as well to remove the cygar dependency? I seem to recall references to Kup being rebuilt as a pretender in Spotlight:Kup. I wonder if we'll ever see that plot point covered. |
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