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Post by Pinwig on Aug 19, 2023 16:38:57 GMT
I think I might like these new-fangled toys!
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Post by The Huff on Aug 19, 2023 22:05:51 GMT
I'd say Wheelie doesn't stand out as odd any more than Cosmos in 1985. Both are strange fictional vehicles among earth ones.
And of course Scourge is a strike plane. Cyclonus, on the other hand should obviously have been sold with the Insecticon assortment.
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Post by Shockprowl on Aug 20, 2023 7:00:12 GMT
The 'Movie' certainly has a lot to answer for.
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Post by Llama God on Aug 20, 2023 8:22:27 GMT
HE'S GOT HANDS! Oh my word. He doesn't have Brawn's claws. Mind blown. This is why he's not as good as Brawn. |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 20, 2023 9:45:55 GMT
I remember being really disappointed back in the day when I got Outback and his vehicle mode looked nothing like it did in the comic.
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Aug 20, 2023 10:34:16 GMT
Think I'd had Outback for a little while by then, so I was just glad he was IN the comic. And then being disappointed he got near murdered.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 20, 2023 10:37:03 GMT
Hmmm. Look at that gun, so cannon like. Look at those hands. Look at that silver face and those skinny legs.
Outback was meant to be Megatron*
*said Phil on his daily high.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 20, 2023 11:02:17 GMT
And Wheelie? They gave the Wheelie team the model sheets from the character they wanted to animate, and they created a faithful vehicle mode, and a robot mode that's just perfect if you look at it with your eyes shut. They gave him a cap peak of sorts, but no head and a face in the middle of his chest. Was that really the best they could do?? Martin Im always careful of juding movie toys based on their final film appearance. The designers were usually working from significantly earlier and different designs. He is, though, a proper mini Autobot, you naughty person. He's a Mini Autobot, but not a proper Mini Autobot. He's a Mini Autobot in the same sense that Cyclonus and Scourge are Strike Planes. Sold in the same size packaging, lumped together with them on some but not all toy catalogues (see www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/japanese-toy-catalog-help-required.1165991/ ), but clearly made by a different toy design team from the others released in 1986, which were all variations on 1984 toys. He was a made-for-the-Movie toy. He just happened to be smaller than Hot Rod, Kup and Blurr, the other Movie Autobot cars, and would be grouped with them if it weren't for his Mini Autobot size. His Japanese toy C-number shows the toys he belongs with: tfwiki.net/wiki/List_of_Japanese_ID_numbers#Fight.21_Super_Robot_Lifeform_TransformersMartin Not really disagreeing with your point, but most of the movies core cast were released late in the Scramble City period. Im wondering if that was due to the delayed release of the movie in Japan. Maybe Takara wanted to hold off releasing them in the hope the film got released somewhere near sensible. |
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 20, 2023 11:06:55 GMT
I have to believe that if they'd given the person who re-engineered Huffer to make Pipes the Wheelie job, he would have turned out very different. Martin What, an orange Bumblebee turned round with his original head removed and the new one facing the other way? Not to go all Phil, but suddenly I am wondering if there was some link between Wheelie and Goldbug. Not in a Wheelie is Goldbug way. But in the way the early design for Ultra Magnus ended up being used for Orion Pax while Powered Convoy became Magnus. |
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Post by Benn on Aug 20, 2023 11:08:07 GMT
And Wheelie? They gave the Wheelie team the model sheets from the character they wanted to animate, and they created a faithful vehicle mode, and a robot mode that's just perfect if you look at it with your eyes shut. They gave him a cap peak of sorts, but no head and a face in the middle of his chest. Was that really the best they could do?? Martin Im always careful of juding movie toys based on their final film appearance. The designers were usually working from significantly earlier and different designs. This is true, all the movie cast underwent at least one revision after the toys were set in stone. I don't know if we've seen Wheelie's original original character sheet anywhere? I don't know whose argument this helps, but wasn't there a bigger version of Wheelie planned before the minibot version? I seem to remember seeing a prototype displayed somewhere. |
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Post by blueshift on Aug 20, 2023 11:11:37 GMT
My brain is whirring. What other minibots could have a good alternative mode ala Huffer/Pipes
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Post by Benn on Aug 20, 2023 11:19:01 GMT
I'm sure you could do something with Powerglide.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 20, 2023 11:28:23 GMT
Im always careful of juding movie toys based on their final film appearance. The designers were usually working from significantly earlier and different designs. This is true, all the movie cast underwent at least one revision after the toys were set in stone. I don't know if we've seen Wheelie's original original character sheet anywhere? I don't know whose argument this helps, but wasn't there a bigger version of Wheelie planned before the minibot version? I seem to remember seeing a prototype displayed somewhere. Yeah. Wheelie was Autobot car sized and Hotrod was made a giant leader sized toy. Though theres no mention on the wiki about Wheelie, Ive definitely seen the photo. |
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 20, 2023 11:29:54 GMT
My brain is whirring. What other minibots could have a good alternative mode ala Huffer/Pipes honestly Phils idea of Bumblebee with his head flipped isnt terrible. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 20, 2023 13:07:07 GMT
Hmmm. Look at that gun, so cannon like. Look at those hands. Look at that silver face and those skinny legs. Outback was meant to be Megatron* *said Phil on his daily high. No, with his little fusion cannon, Outback was meant to be Fusion from And There Shall Come a Leader. Martin |
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Post by Llama God on Aug 21, 2023 8:03:41 GMT
My brain is whirring. What other minibots could have a good alternative mode ala Huffer/Pipes honestly Phils idea of Bumblebee with his head flipped isnt terrible. What, so the underside of the car is the front of the robot mode? But wouldn't the head then face out the back of the car in vehicle mode..? |
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Post by The Huff on Aug 21, 2023 11:49:53 GMT
honestly Phils idea of Bumblebee with his head flipped isnt terrible. What, so the underside of the car is the front of the robot mode? But wouldn't the head then face out the back of the car in vehicle mode..? I can imagine them just sticking the head on the underside of the car, like Windcharger and Gears. |
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 22, 2023 17:25:19 GMT
This is truly magical!
My copy of Kneel Before Zod arrived from Matt today, but the box also contained...
OUTBACK!
WITH HIS GUN!
Thank you so much to whoever was party to this. I've never had Brawn or Outback, so this may be 37 years old but it's totally new to me. What a fab figure! I've got him with his gun on his shoulder, as per Martin's linked pic above.
You cannot believe how much this has made me smile. Pure joy and so kind. Thank you!
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Post by blueshift on Aug 22, 2023 17:29:43 GMT
I am glad that brought you joy! It is a repro gun I made but it's pretty indistinguishable
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 22, 2023 17:35:34 GMT
It's flipping amazing! I'm grinning from ear to ear. Thank you so much!
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 22, 2023 19:13:59 GMT
Now go! And save Optimus!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 22, 2023 19:23:49 GMT
And stay down!
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Post by that_bluestreak on Aug 23, 2023 16:00:20 GMT
when i got outback i lost his cannon on the bus on the way home. this is clearly a source of childhood trauma for me, to the extent that i now have a stock of outback cannons just in case.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 23, 2023 19:32:38 GMT
Outback in red.
Little Big Red!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 16, 2024 8:04:33 GMT
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