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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 21, 2008 21:12:21 GMT
I must dig out my copy from the cupboard! -Ralph CUPBOARD?!!! Mine has pride of place on my bookcase! Andy |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 21, 2008 21:13:37 GMT
I hang my head in shame!
In fairness, all my TF annuals are in a pile in the cupboard.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 21, 2008 21:21:42 GMT
I think it's time you should remedy that. Some good reading in a few of them!
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 21, 2008 21:32:07 GMT
I know, I know!
-Ralph
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Post by dyrl on Jun 10, 2008 6:13:16 GMT
I have the titan paperbacks and they are fantastic. I always really loved G2 - it was a great way for the original G1 story line to end - a fitting and proper and wonderful ending; far more memorable than End of the Road which was so terribly abrupt.
If anything, I'd rate the G2 story as probably the best of the entire G1 run.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 10, 2008 17:15:13 GMT
If anything, I'd rate the G2 story as probably the best of the entire G1 run. G2 wasn't part of the G1 run.  What I can't get my head around these days: Generation 2 ran from 1993 to 1994. Generation 1 was the name of the Dreamwave series a decade later. So the stuff before G2 was... what? "The Transformers" is what it says on the cover. Then in 1990 we had a 'Classics' toy range including 'Classic Heroes', 'Classic Triple Changers', 'Classic Dinobots', 'Classic Aerialbots' and so on. So some of us got into the habit of calling the 1984-5 toys the Classics. But now, I understand that there's a new toy range called Classics! AAARRRGGGHHH!!! Martin |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2008 18:44:05 GMT
Generation 1 was the name of the Dreamwave series a decade later. So the stuff before G2 was... what? "The Transformers" is what it says on the cover. If Marvel officially named the second series of Transformers comics as 'Generation 2' then I think people started believing that the original series was called 'Generation 1'. It was never officially called G1 until the Dreamwave era but fans had started calling it G1 out of logical assumption. |
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Post by dyrl on Jun 10, 2008 19:54:52 GMT
I would add one other thing: "Generation 2" I always took to refer to the story - that is - it was just the title of a story line, like "Beast Wars." Beast Wars takes place "before" G1 but also kind of "after" - and the only way to make sense of it is to undestand that Beast Wars is a plot line stroy designation. If anything - there is always only one title: Transformers. Things like "Generation 2," "Beast Wars" etc are just designations for specific times/eras/plots. at least that's how I make sense of it pete |
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Post by legios on Jun 10, 2008 21:00:51 GMT
G2 wasn't part of the G1 run. What I can't get my head around these days: Generation 2 ran from 1993 to 1994. Generation 1 was the name of the Dreamwave series a decade later. Correct - and it is the only Transformers media which is actually called "Generation One" (The Sunbow cartoon isn't "G1", despite what folk seem to think - it is "The Trans Formers", the onscreen title and the narrator both agree). Works for me - I've called it that for years and wasn't planning on changing now..... Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 11, 2008 16:30:49 GMT
The term G1 irritates the hell out of me, when it isn't the name of the comic/toy line/tv show/towel it's referred to as! Makes not the slightest bit of sense. It's like me calling 'Star Trek' something like 'Space Wars' or something.
-Ralph
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Post by barricade on Jun 11, 2008 17:42:32 GMT
Exactly, fanboys annoy me with their Turbomasters are G1 1.5 bull.
G2 was a lame version of Transformers classics.
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Post by Nigel on Jun 11, 2008 19:12:30 GMT
Oh-oh, the old "Generation 1 doesn't exist" debate. I hope Marc doesn't choose now to return to the Hub; it was shortly after this topic arose last time that he disappeared.
My head is currently hung in shame: I'm working on my shop website and I couldn't avoid using "Generation One" and "A New Hope". Although admitting that here has just given me renewed vigour to try and find a way around the problem!
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Post by grahamthomson on Jun 12, 2008 9:24:02 GMT
I have fond memories of asking my parents for "Transformers: Generation 1" toys for my birthday(!)
Ralph makes a good point with Star Trek. I don't follow the Star Trek but I believe the DVDs for the original series are called "Star Trek: The Original Series" or somesuch.
Also, didn't Rhino, when they released DVDs of the first Transformers series call them "The Original Transformers" or something?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 12, 2008 10:26:04 GMT
They called them the original series I believe.
I do use G1 as a shorthand reference despite it being slightly inaccurate. Though the G1.5 thing is utter bollocks and it's sadly used by American fanboys who cannot grasp the fact that Transformers had a longer shelf life in other countries than their own.
Andy
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Post by chrisl on Jun 12, 2008 10:46:43 GMT
Pre-TMUK my brother and I understood TFs primarily through the toy range as:
The 1984 range -> TF:s The Movie -> Everything that came out 1987-1992 (excluding re-issues of toys) belonged to their own era and could never mix.-> G2 belonged with the 1984 range as many of the toys were the same - simply upgraded.
TMUK 1994 onwards:
Comic continuity: Marvel universe -> CG2 -> etc etc
Cartoon continuity: US 1-3 -> Headmasters -> Masterforce -> Victory -> Zone -> Battlestars -> Mission Combination.
Beast Wars was always something else like an entirely separate line but equally as valid.
Beast Machines (ignored).
Car Robots -> fitted in somewhere between headmasters & masterforce.
Every other line (ignored upto 2006/7)
Classics - (upgrades of existing characters that fit into the present day of 2008).
IDW is just a transplant of the best elements of pre-BW into something completely new of which I guess the closest toy representations are probably binal tec / alternators.
I don't believe there is a G1 other than in Dreamwave's
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 12, 2008 16:14:01 GMT
As far as I am aware, 'G1' is a home furnishings shop in Trongate, Glasgow.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 8, 2010 19:51:42 GMT
Thread revived for Gav's forthcoming G2 awakening.
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Post by Dave on Nov 18, 2010 10:11:27 GMT
I must have missed this, the first time around - and also last week when the thread was revived. I don't like calling pre-G2 Generation 1 either: it's just 'The Transformers' (or Trans Formers - I do remember that discussion). It's really not something that should cause confusion especially as subsequent versions have dropped 'the' from the title.
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Post by grahamthomson on Nov 18, 2010 10:37:06 GMT
Wow. This is an old discussion!
Further applications of the "G1" logic:
Since the release of "Beast Wars", "Generation 2" should technically be retroactively branded as "Pre-Evolved Sea Life Wars".
The first live-action Transformers film, since the second one was called "Revenge of the Fallen", should now be called "No Real Feelings Either Way of the Standing Up".
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Post by Gav on Nov 18, 2010 21:09:02 GMT
I have just finished reading the G2 comic, having put #12 to bed.
...thoughts to follow.
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Post by The Huff on Nov 18, 2010 22:16:13 GMT
I've always had it in my head that toy wise G1 was everything before the line was relaunched as G2. Everything after this is G2 including Beast Wars and up to the present lines. If Hasbro stop making toys for a couple of years and then start again, it will be G3.
Storywise, I think of G1 as the original continuity (so everything from Arrival From Cybertron/4 issue Marvel comic up to the end of Beast Machines as everything stemmed from the same origins - and yes this would include the G2 comics). G2 is all the 'new' individual continuities that keep getting re-invented such as RID, Armada, Animated and the films).
That's how it always sits in my head. The actual Generation 2 toyline and comic was more G1 than most of the actual G1 stuff!
And yes, despite me using the term 'G1' it should just be original Transformers and then G2 or current.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 22:43:17 GMT
On topic: If people are interested in getting G2, ForbiddenPlanet.com (not .co.uk) has the hardback version of Dark Designs for £1.99. It has a few more Transformers graphic novels at that great price too. Be warned: Although Showdown features the hardback cover, it's actually (as I discovered when it arrived) the softback version that's in the offer. Here they are. |
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Post by blueshift on Nov 18, 2010 22:46:16 GMT
On topic: If people are interested in getting G2, ForbiddenPlanet.com (not .co.uk) has the hardback version of Dark Designs for �1.99. It has a few more Transformers graphic novels at that great price too. Be warned: Although Showdown features the hardback cover, it's actually (as I discovered when it arrived) the softback version that's in the offer. Here they are. Wow those are cheap. A word of warning though - they ship everything in flimsy envelopes, at least last time I ordered from them they did. My copy of Legacy of Unicron was cheap, but it ended up looking like it had been used to beat someone up with! |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 18, 2010 23:01:36 GMT
Also, they sold me a used trade that was advertised as new. How did I know? The price sticker on the back from another shop. Oh, and it had been signed to some random bloke.
I will never buy from them again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 0:10:34 GMT
Wow those are cheap. A word of warning though - they ship everything in flimsy envelopes, at least last time I ordered from them they did. My copy of Legacy of Unicron was cheap, but it ended up looking like it had been used to beat someone up with! They sent my first order out in a big box. My second order was split into three parts, but there was no issue with any of it. I was really happy with it all. |
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Post by Pinwig on May 2, 2017 19:25:14 GMT
It's been on my mind that the G2 issues seem to have been heartlessly excluded from the Hachette series. I have the floppies still from back in the day, but decided to add these to the end of the Hachette shelf courtesy of a cheap ebay auction:  I don't have any of the other books that were in this series, it's the first time I've looked at them. Very impressed with the repro - nice clean, vibrant pages. I know there's that one backup strip missing from the second issue, but if this is as complete as G2 hardcovers are, then they'll do nicely. |
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Post by blueshift on May 2, 2017 19:28:28 GMT
There is one misprinted page where they got the colour plates the wrong way round, sadly (where Prime turns up on Earth). But other than that yeah, fantastic stuff. Shame on you, Hatchette!!!!!
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Post by Pinwig on May 2, 2017 20:48:02 GMT
Now I've done it. Sooooo... GI Joe #139-142 has a four part prelude to this, but how much TF content is in #138? Is it just a final page reveal of Megatron or something? Or is he actually in the issue properly?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 2, 2017 20:49:36 GMT
A couple of panels during the issue then on the last page iirc.
Andy
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 3, 2017 5:09:52 GMT
Now I've done it. Sooooo... GI Joe #139-142 has a four part prelude to this, but how much TF content is in #138? Is it just a final page reveal of Megatron or something? Or is he actually in the issue properly? This book: www.amazon.co.uk/G-I-JOE-Transformers-Michael-Higgins/dp/1613773528includes the pages of #138 featuring Megatron and Starscream. Plus both Marvel TF / G.I. Joe crossovers that Hachette won't be printing. Martin |
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