Logan

[Andy Turnbull]

First trailer is up.

Andy

[Toph]

I don't like Wolverine. He is the most overrated and over saturated comic character ever.
I find the movie version tolerable because Hugh Jackman is one charming and charismatic muther-trucker.

But holy frakin' christ that movie looks like it will be amazing!

[Andy Turnbull]

Over saturated...nah that would be Deadpool these days I'm afraid.

Andy

[Philip Ayres]

We talked about Wolverine comics earlier this week in the Comixology Thread

tmukhub.proboards.com/post/257180/thread

It's reminded me I still haven't read the original Old Man Logan.

Personally I think Wolverine's best in a team book.

As for Deadpool he worked best for me opposite Cable in Cable & Deadpool so pleased to see them back together in Uncanny Avengers.

[Toph]

Oct 20, 2016 23:00:44 GMT Andy Turnbull said:

Over saturated...nah that would be Deadpool these days I'm afraid.

Andy

I would politely disagree because even in gimmick death, Wolverine gets more screentime and appears in more books than most other living characters, lol.

[Andy Turnbull]

[Toph]

This is the first X-Men movie I've been excited about since X2! It just looks better and better!

On a side note, I'm glad they didn't slather Patrick stewart with layers and layers of old age makeup prosthetics.

[Andy Turnbull]

Just back from seeing it.

There is no end credit sequence.

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{Spoiler}What I thought was the last shot of the trailer was not quite. They've done a good job of holding back spoilers. It's arguably the most bloody and violent of the Wolverine films, and while it uses Old Man Logan as a basis, it's not much more than lip service to it, and has much more heart and less rancid cynicism in the Mark Millar fashion.

Charles and Logan have a great dynamic throughout the film and it's a wonderful swansong to both Jackman and Stewart.

The Reavers and Dr Rice as the villains of the piece are not particularly deep, but the story isn't really about them so I don't mind.

The explanation for Logan being old is low key and well done. He is slowly being poisoned by the adamantium in his body and his healing factor has been fighting that, which is why it's not working as well as it should be.

The young actress as Laura/X-23 is really well cast and plays the part fantastically.

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Loved it.

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Is this the New Mutants movie origin story, then?

Martin

[Toph]

Thanks for the heads up about no post credit scene.

I don't know what can be more frustrating: sitting there for five+ minutes and nothing happens, or missing something because you gambled and lost.

[Andy Turnbull]

No worries - I was under instruction to relay the info to Ralph ahead of him seeing it this weekend.

Andy

[Andy Turnbull]

Martin regards your question

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{Spoiler}I honestly don't think so. Singer has one more X-Men film planned set in the 90's and after that I'm not sure. I think the New Mutants film would likely be set in a "present day" setting as opposed to a neat future.

There is an X-Men tv show in the offing though.

Also it's difficult to square away the end of DOFP which I am sure is set after the time period of Logan.

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Mar 1, 2017 22:41:10 GMT Andy Turnbull said:

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Also it's difficult to square away the end of DOFP which I am sure is set after the time period of Logan.

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Surely not! Neither Wolverine nor the Prof. look as old in DOFP as they do in Logan.

Martin

[blueshift]

When I was little, we had a loganberry bush

Now when I think of loganberries I think of Wolverine

BUT when I think of Wolverine, I think of loganberries

[Bogatan]

Brilliant! As a stand alone film, its amazing as part of a series of films it makes my brain hurt more than any of Singers prequel, timeline muddling efforts.

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Mar 2, 2017 13:19:35 GMT Bogatan said:

Brilliant! As a stand alone film, its amazing as part of a series of films it makes my brain hurt more than any of Singers prequel, timeline muddling efforts.

I don't see any continuity problems with it myself. A little digging on the Interweb suggests the happy ending to Days of Future Past is set in the year 2023, and Logan is set six years later in 2029.

Martin

[Bogatan]

The film itself isnt the problem yet, but it just feels like an end and not a very cheerful one so a decade of films leading to it may not be the most fun and be a little restrictive.

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Spoiler
It seems the X-men have actually become popular figures by 2029 given the comics and toys shown in the film and taking Deadpools owning a deadpool toy in Deadpool suggests they have bene popular in the new timeline since around 2015 at least, but despite that its pretty clear that the Xmen lost, Mutantkind has effectively become extinct with no natural born mutants since 2004, which just allows them to squeeze out New Mutants at least. By 2029 the mutant population sounds like it has also been hunted down.

Several Xmen were killed by Xavier in 2028 and lack of other Xmen in Logan is pretty noticeable. From the little given away in Logan, its a pretty dark timeline. That I suppose would be the perfect set up for Cable returning from the future type stories. He could even have been one of the children in Logan, but the eventual result of that would likely be history being changed again and removing Logan from the timeline just like Origins and The Wolverine.

In fairness another 12 years for a franchise that is already 17 years old isnt a bad innings, but given Fox seem to be planning so many films it just seems unlikey they'll want to wrap it up even a decade from now.

Having said that it does fit quite neatly with the McAvoy films. X-Men 4 will be set in say 95. If X5 is set another decade later its set in the same time frame as the first X-Men. X6 would be set nowish picking up were DOFP left us and then X7 would pick up at some point around Logan.

4 films 3 years apart would mean X7 being set and released around 2028 which would neatly tie in to Logan and maybe wrap up Foxs whole series before a full reboot.

[browny87]

I'm looking to go in the next week or two cant wait, everything ive seen makes it look amazing!

[Pinwig]

Has it been noted that when Jackman was talking about standing down from his role on Graham Norton last week that Patrick Stewart said the film felt like a good point for him to bow out as well? The audience reaction made it sound like this was a big announcement. I'm not clued up enough to know.

[Grand Moff Muffin]

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The mutants haven't necessarily all been hunted down. Many may, like Rogue, have opted to take the 'cure' developed in X-Men: The Last Stand (though that was an alternate timeline). Or they may have all moved to Europe and Asia and Australia and Outer Space. Not everything is about North and Central America. I think in 'Logan' they said the mutants were 'gone' rather than 'dead'.

Martin

[The Doctor]

That was just a remake of Shane. No, having your characters at one point stop to watch the film you're ripping off does not make you clever. Especially when you zoom in really slowly on the telly they're watching it on so we get the point.

Shite.

-Ralph

[The Doctor]

Also all and future X-Men films are rendered pointless as the mutants are all wiped out off-screen anyway sometime before 2029. What is the fucking point. Unless 'Logan" becomes some alternate timeline bollocks in which case what was the point of anything...doubly!

Shite.

-Ralph

[blueshift]

Is it not an alternate universe story, or is it really being presented as the end-point of all the X-men films?

[Bogatan]

That was my point, either they will now spend the next decade heading to a really dark place or timetravel changes events, or they just ignore it.

Or they just do a full reboot in the next few years.

[The Doctor]

Mar 5, 2017 10:42:55 GMT blueshift said:

Is it not an alternate universe story, or is it really being presented as the end-point of all the X-men films?

Either way it goes I find both to be equally pointless.

Also: what was up with all the swearing and higher level of gore/violence in an X-Men film? Felt gratutious and juvenile as if someone was shouting: "LOOK HOW EXTREEEEEEME WE ARE. NOT JUST FOR KIDS ANYMORE!!!"

-Ralph

[jameso]

Seen it twice now, and it's not really for me. Too violent, too much swearing, don't like old man Professor X swearing all the time, don't really like watching old men stumbling around.

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{Spoiler}Really didn't like the evil bad guys ruthlessly slaughtering any innocent people who get in their way aspects, the killing of the horse family who take them in was horrible. Very poor send off for Professor X

Doesn't work as an X-Men film at all - continuity all over the place.

Having said that, the acting, score, direction, fight choreography and other elements were excellent, snd the actress playing Laura was remarkable.

[Bogatan]

The theory that Logan is the real world setting that inspired the comics seen in it which in turn were adapted into all the other XMen films sort of make sense the more I think about it.

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Mar 5, 2017 16:18:57 GMT The Doctor said:

Also: what was up with all the swearing and higher level of gore/violence in an X-Men film?

Sounds like you haven't seen 'Deadpool' or the extended version of 'The Wolverine' (neither of which I would recommend even if you liked 'Logan').

It definitely appears to be a Marmite film. The Times gave it 5 stars, the Sunday Times 2 stars.

Martin

[The Doctor]

I did not watch Deadpool and already thought the theatrical cut of The Wolverine was overly long so did not watch the longer version.

-Ralph

[Toph]

I have literally given up giving a flying f*** about continuity because continuity in this franchise makes absolutely zero sense anymore, and hold each movie on a stand alone basis (or the basis of what it's directly a sequel to).

In fox x-men fashion, Logan makes little sense in regards to the other movies (except maybe the first three). But as a stand alone, it does really well, I think. I enjoyed it a lot, and really loved Laura.
I'd like to see an X-23 movie, and I think she has enough presence to be the title character.