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Jun 28, 2020 16:22:44 GMT
Post by Pinwig on Jun 28, 2020 16:22:44 GMT
No... no... this needs something much more devastating.
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Class
Jun 28, 2020 18:11:05 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 28, 2020 18:11:05 GMT
I think Class volume 3 may break Pinwig.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 28, 2020 18:11:23 GMT
Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Jun 28, 2020 18:29:11 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 28, 2020 18:29:11 GMT
Oh I see! Like that is it! Et tu, Bogatan?
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Jul 2, 2020 22:03:10 GMT
Post by The Doctor on Jul 2, 2020 22:03:10 GMT
Come on, listen to 3.2...
-Ralph
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Jul 2, 2020 22:52:10 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 2, 2020 22:52:10 GMT
This weekend perhaps. I'm working 16 hour days during the week at the mo, barely get time to read the forum properly.
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 5, 2020 17:34:38 GMT
Ugh, okay. 3.2 is terrible stuff. The story has been done a million times before (I'm sure that plot has actually been used in this Class series before) and the dialogue is beyond cringe-worthy at points. But I realised listening to it that part of that is because I'm not the target audience. If I was a 14 year old girl into the characters, then this episode is fanfic made real and possibly very exciting, but I'm not that person. I'm not actually supposed to be listening to this. I'm being forced to by demon overlord Burns.
So yes - it is truly awful, and all that dialogue at the end is enough to make you vomit - it really does make your toes curl it's so bad, but I can see why this exists*. I just don't think the intended audience has any interest in audio stories made by crumbly old Doctor Who fans pretending to be teenagers again. Perhaps that's where it fails - perhaps this is what the producers *think* genuine fans of the show would like, but have missed the mark entirely because they aren't 14 year old girls. I wouldn't know because this definitely isn't for me. I was shocked though to find Dervla 'Goodnight Sweetheart' Kirwan is now Quill. She sounds about right but dear lord how the mighty are fallen.
Listening to these stories does leave me feeling slightly icky because I don't want to have to relive all that teenage angst, magnified through the prism of bad writing, so I have ordered both Timeslip sets and the new Star Cops one to cleanse myself. Bad Ralph!
Class count to 8/12.
*But not that first bit at the very start. That was completely wrong for the tone of the rest of the story. That's like your mum coming down to breakfast and saying "Well, your father's just given me such a good seeing to I can hardly walk straight, but would you like porridge or Weetabix with that orange juice?"
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Jul 5, 2020 19:47:40 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 5, 2020 19:47:40 GMT
But it made you order Nice Things! I am a Good Man!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 5, 2020 20:37:41 GMT
No, you are a bastard. I wasted an hour of precious listening time this afternoon listening to that bollocks. I can excuse it's existence, but I still have no desire to listen to it!
I think the thing at this point is that it's so far removed from where it started on TV that it had become something else entirely, which is teeth grindingly awful for a man in his forties. The sci-fi element has gone, 3.2 was like an episode of Saved By The Bell without the laughs and the first one was aching to be Buffy.
I know, I know why I hate this so much, it's reminding me that I'm *not* the target audience anymore. Fucking hell Ralph, this is taking me to dark places! You're right, this may break me! I need Star Cops on an intravenous drip, now.
Oh fucking hell. In my head Buffy is still a great TV series. I've got all that on dvd. I am now too frightened to watch that in case it makes me feel even older. GAH! Maybe because I watched that when I was younger it'll still be okay... Yes... It'll be fine, it won't make me feel old because it's still part of me. Yes.
Fucking hell Class is killing me.
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 5, 2020 20:42:39 GMT
Second glass of wine because of this. Has True Friending ever before made a man question who he is?
Ralph must be stopped.
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Jul 5, 2020 21:16:26 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 5, 2020 21:16:26 GMT
Only four episodes left! Power on!!!
-Ralph
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Jul 5, 2020 21:26:08 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 5, 2020 21:26:08 GMT
Who am I? WHO AM I?
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Jul 5, 2020 21:31:01 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 5, 2020 21:31:01 GMT
Endure! Endure!
-Ralph
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Jul 5, 2020 21:35:17 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 5, 2020 21:35:17 GMT
Bastard!
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Jul 7, 2020 21:30:42 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 7, 2020 21:30:42 GMT
Time for episode 3.3?
-Ralph
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Jul 7, 2020 21:42:28 GMT
Post by Pinwig on Jul 7, 2020 21:42:28 GMT
No time for that in the week. 3.3 sometime at the weekend if the chance arises.
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Jul 10, 2020 21:57:31 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 10, 2020 21:57:31 GMT
Weekend is coming. Time for 3.3...
-Ralph
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Jul 10, 2020 22:03:02 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 10, 2020 22:03:02 GMT
Shh, do you mind. I'm shopping for things to send with your BF disc.
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Class
Jul 11, 2020 16:14:10 GMT
Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 11, 2020 16:14:10 GMT
Is there much Automan merch out there?
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 12, 2020 15:19:44 GMT
Quill was the only saving grace of the TV series, so the fact 3.3 is her story in this bunch is a big help. Also - shock - this is a great episode. It's by far the best episode of Class BF have done.
In essence this is a story about a woman trying to fill the missing holes in her life. It's about being alone, being afraid and feeling unfulfilled and because it's about her and not the teenage characters the angst isn't there; Quill comes across as a real woman trapped in an awful situation and the story offers her a lifeline she can't help but take. The way her walls slowly come down is well written and acted. This is helped by the fact the role is being played by a good actor who gets the story - Dervla Kirwan nails Quill just as well as Katherine Kelly did. This reminds me of how the TV series got better in the later episodes when Quill's subplot came to the fore.
Even the knob gags in the school scenes just about pass; they just show how her life as a teacher is a facade and I can relate from experience how sometimes teaching is an act. I can definitely relate to the escapist fantasy the story gives her to contrast with the mundanity of her school life and routine with Charlie.
The only let down in this is the way Matteusz is written. He feels like a script edit as just like the last two episodes every line he has is an innuendo about fucking Charlie. It's out of touch with the rest of the story and feels crass given the depth elsewhere. An editor should be taking that out, which makes me think it's been put in by someone forcing this unnecessarily into certificate 15 territory for the sake of an 'explicit lyrics' label.
Yes, don't see what was wrong with that one. Separate it from Class and it's a good tale. Reminded me of the sentiment and complexity of the relationships in The Flipside of Dominic Hyde.
Class count to 9/12
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Jul 12, 2020 16:00:30 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 12, 2020 16:00:30 GMT
Has Class finally broken Pinwig? He...liked one...and an awful one too. Charlie is revealed as the most despicable and unlikeable character in THE UNIVERSE. He is a complete dick in this and his character never recovers from it.
-Ralph
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Jul 12, 2020 17:51:23 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 12, 2020 17:51:23 GMT
He isn't a dick, he's just misguided. His character is better written in this than the last two. He's an alien prince and incredibly condescending; because his life has been so detached from want and need he doesn't understand why what he's done is wrong, which is what makes it work. He thinks he's doing the right thing, but the tragedy in that is it shows how little empathy he has for Quill. It's like giving a dog a chocolate bar, without insight you may feel it's a nice thing to do, not realising the damage it causes. It shows Charlie's ignorance born of his own elite upbringing. You can damn him for that but the deeper question is one of whether it's his fault or his society's.
What makes that so good is that it opens a chink in Quill's armour. Without even realising it, Charlie exposes her and that really kills her because she hates him so much. It's a really well thought out story and streets ahead of anything else in this series.
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Jul 12, 2020 18:14:04 GMT
Post by Bogatan on Jul 12, 2020 18:14:04 GMT
Ooooooooo. Conflict!
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Jul 12, 2020 18:19:57 GMT
Post by The Doctor on Jul 12, 2020 18:19:57 GMT
He isn't a dick, he's just misguided. Could not disagree more. The character becomes UTTERLY IRREDEEMABLE at that point and MUST DIE. DIE, CHARLEY, DIE! -Ralph |
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Jul 23, 2020 11:28:40 GMT
Post by The Doctor on Jul 23, 2020 11:28:40 GMT
Got my dispatch email today for Pinwig's volume 3 and 4! I wonder if he ever got them?
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 23, 2020 11:36:33 GMT
Now I'm on holiday I'm going to rattle through those last three so I can get on to the majestic brilliance of Timeslip when the CDs arrive in a day or two.
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Jul 24, 2020 15:54:06 GMT
Post by Pinwig on Jul 24, 2020 15:54:06 GMT
Copied the CDs for 2.4 and 2.5 to my iPod and listened to them this morning while gardening.
I don't think either of these are particularly offensive, they're just boring. 2.4 is a Charlie/Quill backstory tale that is probably of interest if you're into this universe, but I'm finding it hard to care. It was a *lot* of talking.
2.5 spends too long being the stereotype it wants to poke fun at - college Halloween night party reveals truly terrible things in the basement. At one point one of the characters (Quill I think?) remarks that everything happening is like a checklist for a bad horror film, as if the writer wants the listener to know they know the listener is thinking that and that this is all crazy-meta and we're in on the joke. We're not. At least I'm not. It's just rubbish. The trouble is it spends too long being the stereotype before trying to steer it back into a bit of a sci fi story at the end. The music is good though, so good that at one point I genuinely thought one of the regulars was for it, then remembered that can't happen in these stories because they're all set inside and not after the TV series. That killed the tension completely. Cliffhanger ending though, so part six when I can do it.
Class count didn't get upped last week... should now be 11/12.
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Jul 24, 2020 15:58:03 GMT
Post by The Doctor on Jul 24, 2020 15:58:03 GMT
You may be disappointed as to how the cliffhanger is resolved.
-Ralph
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Jul 24, 2020 16:00:03 GMT
Post by Pinwig on Jul 24, 2020 16:00:03 GMT
I'm disappointed with this generally! (bar 2.3, that was cool).
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Jul 24, 2020 16:04:03 GMT
Post by The Doctor on Jul 24, 2020 16:04:03 GMT
Only an hour stands between you and CLASS COMPLETISM.
THE FINAL END,
-Ralph
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