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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 9, 2017 0:18:40 GMT
'86 really is where it all went wrong...
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 9, 2017 9:41:44 GMT
No, '86 is when it went right. Proper mad spaceships and futuristic designs.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 9, 2017 10:58:29 GMT
Funny how that point divides people. Blueshift is also of the opinion that the movie onwards is when things really got going. On the other hand it's the point where the original 'robots in disguise on Earth' premise ended.
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Post by Llama God on Dec 9, 2017 11:40:41 GMT
I think it was just a change. And a necessary one to keep things fresh. I like both.
But it's no coincidence that I've become more interested in cars since they started picking up the stremlined, angular/curved looks that the Movie established way back then...
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 9, 2017 16:18:41 GMT
I tend to think of it as a bigger change than it actually wound up being.
Theres a definite alien/futuristic influx that doesn't really fit the robots in diguise tag line. But that wasn't new, Cosmos and all the beast Transformers up to that point were guilty of that.
Actually the movie toys do probably fit the RID tag, its just they turn in to the vehicles of a then distant futuristic 2005. Same arguement can be made for most of the early Head/Targetmasters and Technobots.
Pretenders (unless you consider the shells human sized) are the only line to totally abandon the original concept.
By the time you get to Powermasters, the smaller Target/Headmasters, triggerbots, Pretender Classics and Micromasters you are back to the orginal RID thing.
Hmm, probably not a coincidence that Pretenders is the only line that I largely skipped (other than the Classics - which was mostly to do with me not having 3 of the 4 characters at the time, 2 of the four if I count Goldbug).
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 9, 2017 16:47:09 GMT
It was the loss of 'robots in disguise' that I missed. Some great toys/characters after, but it just wasn't as mysterious.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 9, 2017 16:54:46 GMT
I never cared for the 'robots in disguise' angle at the time. Didn't give a toss. Ralph liked robots and spaceships! So Scourge was a far far FAR better toy than Starscream, for example.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 9, 2017 17:11:44 GMT
*gasp*
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 9, 2017 17:15:22 GMT
Spaceships are good.
But alien robots being cars, trucks, jets, even freakin' TAPE-RECORDERS?!!!
That was so... creepy and mysterious and and and DIFFERENT!
Awww, when I think back... to those early days... It just blew my mind.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 9, 2017 19:51:43 GMT
As a kid I loved the Scourge toy. Starscream was ok but he was just a plane toy so could not go into space. -Ralph |
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Post by legios on Dec 9, 2017 20:02:42 GMT
For me part of the appeal of the early toys when they came out was that they turned into things that I might see in the real world. Ok, so the local Porsche was a 911 Cabriolet, and grey, so clearly not Jazz, but they early toys were things I could envisage existing in the real world. Heck, the only thing that stopped the Dinobot's from being robots that turned into the dinosaurs in the local dinosaur park was that their colours weren't mental enough. The Movie toys tended to be just "more space stuff" and so didn't stand out against all the space toys I already had.
It's horses for courses though - people's preferences vary, there is no right or wrong on this one.
Karl
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Post by legios on Dec 9, 2017 20:11:02 GMT
even freakin' TAPE-RECORDERS?!!! That one got better when I started my previous career. We had an analogue answering machine in those days, so to change the outgoing message you had to record a new one. On a black mini-dat tape which was of course completely identical to Ravage's alt-mode... I got to record our Christmas "the office is closed" message onto the Decepticon Master Spy. That was great fun. Karl |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 9, 2017 20:52:58 GMT
even freakin' TAPE-RECORDERS?!!! That one got better when I started my previous career. We had an analogue answering machine in those days, so to change the outgoing message you had to record a new one. On a black mini-dat tape which was of course completely identical to Ravage's alt-mode... I got to record our Christmas "the office is closed" message onto the Decepticon Master Spy. That was great fun. Karl Oh my God that's so awesome. You're The Man, Karlos. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 9, 2017 20:57:17 GMT
That one got better when I started my previous career. We had an analogue answering machine in those days, so to change the outgoing message you had to record a new one. On a black mini-dat tape which was of course completely identical to Ravage's alt-mode... I got to record our Christmas "the office is closed" message onto the Decepticon Master Spy. That was great fun. Karl Oh my God that's so awesome. You're The Man, Karlos. IN FACT that has actually made me have a little sex-wee. That could have been Ravage... THAT COULD HAVE BEEN RAVAGE!!!!!!!
(which is why I love the 'Robots in Disguise' thing. Although space ships are also cool.) |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 9, 2017 21:35:21 GMT
And...and...Megatron should be a gun NOT a tank!!! There! I said it!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 9, 2017 23:23:33 GMT
The gun thing worked in the 80s 'n'no mistake.
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Post by Benn on Dec 10, 2017 11:35:40 GMT
Megatron as a gun works when he's a sneaky, Infiltration style leader. Does not work so well when he's a super bombastic kill everything kind of guy.
In theory.
I don't know, though. I guess I've gotten used to the modern Megatron as a tank, but the nostalgia glasses say, "but a gun just works for him, right?" It wouldn't work for modern Megatron.
I can't explain it better than that, I'm afraid. Still makes me sad, though, that Galvatron only got to be a gun, what? Twice?
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Post by Llama God on Dec 10, 2017 11:36:23 GMT
It's horses for courses though - people's preferences vary, there is no right or wrong on this one. You're doing t'Interwebs wrong, Karl! We must fight about this! To the death! Or we would if I disagreed. Which I don't. Which means I'm doing it wrong, too. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 10, 2017 17:03:25 GMT
Scourge should not be a spaceship.
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 10, 2017 17:41:54 GMT
Yes, he's quite clearly a hovercraft.
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Post by Benn on Dec 10, 2017 18:12:28 GMT
And a better looking robot than Cyclonus.
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 10, 2017 20:13:05 GMT
Nah, I'm with The Doc' on this, Scourge is a spaceship.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 10, 2017 20:38:50 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 10, 2017 20:42:50 GMT
Why must Phil frighten us with these strange pictures?
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Dec 10, 2017 20:46:25 GMT
It's horses for courses though - people's preferences vary, there is no right or wrong on this one. You're doing t'Interwebs wrong, Karl! We must fight about this! To the death! Or we would if I disagreed. Which I don't. Which means I'm doing it wrong, too. "Doing the Interwebs wrong since 1992"... He, I should get that added to my virtual office plaque... :-) Karl |
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Post by Stomski on Dec 13, 2017 12:21:42 GMT
Scourge doesn't have a cockpit. He's clearly a clothes iron
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Post by legios on Dec 13, 2017 20:11:22 GMT
He is a bit lacking in the handle department for that isn't he? It'd be a risky way to iron ones clothes, one slip on that tiny handle at the back and you'd get a pronounced purple welt on one's hand...
Karl
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 13, 2017 22:21:05 GMT
Scourge promotes smooth inter-Decepticon relations.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 13, 2017 22:30:11 GMT
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Post by Stomski on Dec 14, 2017 8:43:13 GMT
If only the original Galvatron was in the delicious lavender of the reissue.
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