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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 8, 2020 19:02:41 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 8, 2020 19:17:46 GMT
Mine arrived from Hachette last week.
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Post by Benn on Sept 8, 2020 19:19:54 GMT
I need to hang onto that link and hope it's still active in a week or so, cheers
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 8, 2020 19:32:11 GMT
I pre-ordered it off FP along with the second BW volume. I'll take waiting over dealing with Hachette.
-Ralph
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Post by kinggrimlock on Sept 9, 2020 11:09:21 GMT
Is anyone able to give a run down of:
a) Which issues were reprinted due to errors
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b) what the error(s) was / were and how to spot it please?
I just want to check I have all the reissues where they were made available, and also make sure that when getting rid of my duplicates I have actually separated out the "bad" volumes rather than the "good" ones. I'd hate to discover my error after the trip to the charity shop to clear some space!
Cheers!
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Post by Danlevan on Sept 9, 2020 12:59:02 GMT
Five issues had reprints.
Volume 6 - Probably the most obvious one, the black box around the volume number on the spine is bigger than on other issues so was reprinted to make it match up. A replacement was shipped with a later issue. My fixed copy had significantly lighter printing (Prime was pink on some pages) and I had to get a replacement for the replacement.
Volume 28 - The speech bubbles from another page were repeated, but the art was still correct. It's a page with Prime and the human kids at the top, and the Minicons transforming at the bottom from issue 18. The speech bubbles are from the next page. One sits over Rad's face so is pretty easy to spot. I had to get this one from them on Facebook.
Volume 35 - The last two pages of Monstrosity #11 are missing and are Dreamwave art from I think the previous issue in publication order? Optimus and Sandstorm in the sewers, and not Livio Ramondelli artwork like the rest of the book.
Volume 64 - The first page of Windblade #4 is zoomed in and has cut off speech bubbles, the issues of ex-RiD are out of order. An incorrect printing starts with a page with Sideswipe, Cosmos and Prowl instead of Blackrock.
Volume 75 - A page from earlier in the issue with Bruticus is reprinted. Really easy to spot if you flick through the black bordered pages, these stick out as they're white and again aren't Livio art.
There were a couple of other printing problems, Revolution (Volume 81) had the intro printed at the back of the book and the Marvel volume with the Mechanic (I forget which) had some measurements printed in the margins, but they didn't reprint either.
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Post by Jaymz on Sept 9, 2020 16:29:10 GMT
Did G2 v2 get released? I preordered with the FP link Andy shared but it hasn't shown yet... This is due to it being solicited late by Diamond. It was listed in the August Diamond catalogue, any comic shops that ordered it from Diamond won't have it yet. Diamond don't give a release date for it, but looking at their system it's currently listed as "Hasn't Shipped" so you haven't missed it. |
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Post by detectivenightbeat on Sept 9, 2020 17:01:10 GMT
Anyone get the Beast Wars Ascending issue today?
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Post by Danlevan on Sept 9, 2020 17:09:29 GMT
Anyone get the Beast Wars Ascending issue today? My wife picked it up for me.. and then left it at work. Can confirm the contents (if she remembers) tomorrow if no one else does first. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 9, 2020 18:16:52 GMT
There were a couple of other printing problems, Revolution (Volume 81) had the intro printed at the back of the book and the Marvel volume with the Mechanic (I forget which) had some measurements printed in the margins, but they didn't reprint either. And there were some colour problems on the last few pages of Matrix Quest Part 1. Martin |
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Post by detectivenightbeat on Sept 9, 2020 22:06:16 GMT
Five issues had reprints. Volume 6 - Probably the most obvious one, the black box around the volume number on the spine is bigger than on other issues so was reprinted to make it match up. A replacement was shipped with a later issue. My fixed copy had significantly lighter printing (Prime was pink on some pages) and I had to get a replacement for the replacement. Volume 28 - The speech bubbles from another page were repeated, but the art was still correct. It's a page with Prime and the human kids at the top, and the Minicons transforming at the bottom from issue 18. The speech bubbles are from the next page. One sits over Rad's face so is pretty easy to spot. I had to get this one from them on Facebook. Volume 35 - The last two pages of Monstrosity #11 are missing and are Dreamwave art from I think the previous issue in publication order? Optimus and Sandstorm in the sewers, and not Livio Ramondelli artwork like the rest of the book. Volume 64 - The first page of Windblade #4 is zoomed in and has cut off speech bubbles, the issues of ex-RiD are out of order. An incorrect printing starts with a page with Sideswipe, Cosmos and Prowl instead of Blackrock. Volume 75 - A page from earlier in the issue with Bruticus is reprinted. Really easy to spot if you flick through the black bordered pages, these stick out as they're white and again aren't Livio art. There were a couple of other printing problems, Revolution (Volume 81) had the intro printed at the back of the book and the Marvel volume with the Mechanic (I forget which) had some measurements printed in the margins, but they didn't reprint either. Should these get mentioned in the wiki? |
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Post by kinggrimlock on Sept 9, 2020 22:59:24 GMT
Five issues had reprints. Volume 6 - Probably the most obvious one, the black box around the volume number on the spine is bigger than on other issues so was reprinted to make it match up. A replacement was shipped with a later issue. My fixed copy had significantly lighter printing (Prime was pink on some pages) and I had to get a replacement for the replacement. Volume 28 - The speech bubbles from another page were repeated, but the art was still correct. It's a page with Prime and the human kids at the top, and the Minicons transforming at the bottom from issue 18. The speech bubbles are from the next page. One sits over Rad's face so is pretty easy to spot. I had to get this one from them on Facebook. Volume 35 - The last two pages of Monstrosity #11 are missing and are Dreamwave art from I think the previous issue in publication order? Optimus and Sandstorm in the sewers, and not Livio Ramondelli artwork like the rest of the book. Volume 64 - The first page of Windblade #4 is zoomed in and has cut off speech bubbles, the issues of ex-RiD are out of order. An incorrect printing starts with a page with Sideswipe, Cosmos and Prowl instead of Blackrock. Volume 75 - A page from earlier in the issue with Bruticus is reprinted. Really easy to spot if you flick through the black bordered pages, these stick out as they're white and again aren't Livio art. There were a couple of other printing problems, Revolution (Volume 81) had the intro printed at the back of the book and the Marvel volume with the Mechanic (I forget which) had some measurements printed in the margins, but they didn't reprint either. Thanks - that's great. I *think* I've got all of those (definitely 6 & Windblade) but I'll double check. |
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Post by Danlevan on Sept 9, 2020 23:06:35 GMT
There were a couple of other printing problems, Revolution (Volume 81) had the intro printed at the back of the book and the Marvel volume with the Mechanic (I forget which) had some measurements printed in the margins, but they didn't reprint either. And there were some colour problems on the last few pages of Matrix Quest Part 1. Martin I don't think I'd heard of that. I just flicked through mine and didn't see anything that jumped out at me, but I don't have the original issues to compare. What was wrong with those pages? |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 10, 2020 5:48:24 GMT
The third-to-last page and the final page have the left-hand inch of each page missing blue ink - Ms Fatale has lighter skin colour, Nightbeat is white where he should be blue, background is pink where it should be purple, orange where it should be brown, yellow where it should be green, etc. Basically someone's toner was running out as they prepared the final proofs.
Martin
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Post by tomwe on Sept 10, 2020 8:26:13 GMT
wow good spot i thought that was some kind of intentional effect.
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Post by Danlevan on Sept 10, 2020 8:59:14 GMT
Yeah, me too! Good info, thanks Martin.
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Post by pachamac on Sept 10, 2020 14:12:19 GMT
Issue 96/Volume 94 Beast Wars: The Ascending includes issues 1-4 of the mini series, more profiles from the Beast Wars sourcebook, a cover gallery of the series, a 7 page Beast Wars Glossary (which also looks to be from the Sourcebook?) and a 5 page Behind the Scenes proposal of Furman's planned third Beast Wars miniseries 'The Revisiting.'
Included profiles are:
Airrazor, Antagony, Apache, Archadis,Autocrasher, Big Convoy, Bighorn, Blackarachnia, Break, Bump, Buzzsaw, Cheetor, Cohrada, Crazybolt, Depth Charge, Dinobot, Dinobot II, Drancron, Drill Nuts, Elephorca, Gimlet, Guiledart, Halfshell, Hardhead, Hellscream, Ikard, Ironhide, Killer Punch, Longrack, Mach Kick, Max-B, Motorarm, Prowl, Rampage, Randy, Rartorata, Rattrap, Saberback, Santon, Scarem, Scorponok, Scuba, Sharp Edge, Shokaract, Silverbolt, Stampy, Survive, Tarantulas, Terragator, Terrorsaur,Thrustor, Tigatron, Waspinator
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Post by tomwe on Sept 10, 2020 14:38:46 GMT
got my subs issues today too.
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Post by detectivenightbeat on Sept 10, 2020 21:52:27 GMT
Thank you. I never heard about "The Revisiting". What did he say about it?
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Post by cradok on Sept 11, 2020 9:45:36 GMT
Depending on where you got your issues from, some of those redone error issues might not apply. At least one was sent only to subs, but was then held back from retailers in order to do the corrected version.
Regarding those eBay auctions, I can understand wanting to offload the collection, I personally basically lost interest when it was revealed that we were getting three volumes of the new continuity over finishing out the Marvel annuals and the remaining IDW stuff.
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Post by Danlevan on Sept 11, 2020 11:47:59 GMT
Thank you. I never heard about "The Revisiting". What did he say about it? I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but I did a quick flip through the pages last night and it looks like a full synopsis for all 4 planned issues. It's a few pages worth. Regarding the misprints, I cancelled my sub early on because they were absolutely shocking and the last issue I had delivered was 12. The rest of the misprints I got from WH Smith and had to ask them to send me on Facebook apart from one that came packed with another issue.. volume 75, I think? |
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Post by inflatabledalek on Sept 11, 2020 16:16:50 GMT
The third Beast Wars mini synopsis is kind of amazing, because it reads like Furman's worst enemy wrote it as a piss take.
It's a the same year's Star Trek film inspired "in-continuity" reboot of the cartoon, where the Vok (who are the Swarm. And scared of the Leige Maximo who is being set up as the big bad for future stories) reset the timeline to do their experiment over.
What follows is basically a redo of everything that didn't work about the first two miniseries.
Lots of characters. Lots of needless fanwank (it's hilarious this is set as a G2 sequel when Reg1 wasn't allowed to be. Unless that's why it didn't get approved?). Lots of portentous bollocks.
No feel for what what people actually liked about Beast Wars. In particular the characters, with the Axalon and Primal not even making it to Earth (and the plot) till near the end of issue 2. Of four.
There's also the a bunch of bots giving into their baser instincts thing that was later recycled into Reg.
Plus some patented Furman sexism. Of the show's two main female characters, Black Arachnia spends most of the thing in a catatonic state saying what turns out to be a garbled "Maximo" over and over, whilst Airazor is EVIL.
We didn't miss anything. And it's kind of amazing the perceived solution to the failings of the first two minis was ditch the cartoon rather than the writer.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 11, 2020 17:27:15 GMT
The problem is you can't do anything with Beast Wars - it's at sacred cow status. There's very little wiggle room with the show cast and the fans of the show give zero fucks about the toys. There is no mileage in going to that well, a Beast Machines sequel on the other hand...
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Post by detectivenightbeat on Sept 11, 2020 20:29:39 GMT
The third Beast Wars mini synopsis is kind of amazing, because it reads like Furman's worst enemy wrote it as a piss take. It's a the same year's Star Trek film inspired "in-continuity" reboot of the cartoon, where the Vok (who are the Swarm. And scared of the Leige Maximo who is being set up as the big bad for future stories) reset the timeline to do their experiment over. What follows is basically a redo of everything that didn't work about the first two miniseries. Lots of characters. Lots of needless fanwank (it's hilarious this is set as a G2 sequel when Reg1 wasn't allowed to be. Unless that's why it didn't get approved?). Lots of portentous bollocks. No feel for what what people actually liked about Beast Wars. In particular the characters, with the Axalon and Primal not even making it to Earth (and the plot) till near the end of issue 2. Of four. There's also the a bunch of bots giving into their baser instincts thing that was later recycled into Reg. Plus some patented Furman sexism. Of the show's two main female characters, Black Arachnia spends most of the thing in a catatonic state saying what turns out to be a garbled "Maximo" over and over, whilst Airazor is EVIL. We didn't miss anything. And it's kind of amazing the perceived solution to the failings of the first two minis was ditch the cartoon rather than the writer. Would you mind posting some pics of the pages? I was never in the camp that Furman was/is sexist. The story he wrote about Arcee's creation in the 80s as being a reaction to feminist mobs... well the 70s and 80s are when the feminist movement really started to ramp up and a lot of them were anti-male. Hell, I had a teacher in high school who wouldn't let her students use words like manhole and manpower because she thought they were "pro-male", although who knows, that's probably the norm now. But what I'm saying is, the Autobots making a concession like that is reasonable for 1980s attitudes. Hell, his Marvel Arcee was a bit of a badass if I remember. And the way Arcee was created in IDW was "introducing gender to a genderless species" (pre retcons) and how that could make her crazy. And she was a kickass killing machine - sort of an homage to Nightbird I thought at the time. We must learn not to judge groups or individuals in the past for normal behavior at that time, though today it is quite different. Thanks for the write-up. |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 11, 2020 20:39:17 GMT
Jonathan Bate's English history books make the same point, which is that we can't judge the people of the past by the standards/opinions/thoughts of the present as these change over time. This also interferes with how we can understand people of the past
-Ralph
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Post by inflatabledalek on Sept 11, 2020 23:43:24 GMT
Well ignoring the fact that "standards of the past" means "standards of white straight guys rather than what anyone else thought"...
Judging it by the standards of time still says it was sexist.
I've told the story a lot, but my mum thought Space Pirates was sexist when reading it to me at the time.
The comic printed at least one letter about press coverage of the sexism in Transformers and kids franchises generally.
Prime's Rib is nor a story that happened in isolation, and a lot of the criticisms that are lampooned are are almost word for word stuff my mum said ("Why pink?"), so she was clearly not some crazy isolationist, Furman was hearing this stuff himself at the time.
And most of the conversations about this go back at least as far as the 60's. That media, even now, often struggles to keep up with that is a problem of who are the dominant voices in controlling that media.
And hey, I thought my mum was wrong as a kid. I was a Prime's Rib defender as a funny satire in my early online days.
That all came from a position of privilege and ignorance, not that society was 100% people all fine with it.
Hell, it's took a few years to get used to how the 90's comedys I loved were often as sexist, racist and homophobic (oh, and transphobic as well. Listening to so many trans people talk about the bullying they endured for years because Barbara in The League of Gentlemen shaped the idea in the public a trans woman was a hairy guy in a dress with a deep voice is heartbreaking. That character killed people) as anything in the 70's but just called post-modern.
I love plenty of old stuff. Including lots of Simon Furman Transformers comics (though boy, he should have done a Budiansky and accepted he's got a good new career and isn't a comic writer any more). That'll never blind me to their faults (or make me critical of folks who find them unreadable for those faults), nor going to brush them away with "Oh everyone was like that" when the people who were actually suffering from bad representation have not changed their views in the last 40 years.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 12, 2020 6:27:18 GMT
Jonathan Bate's English history books make the same point, which is that we can't judge the people of the past by the standards/opinions/thoughts of the present as these change over time. This also interferes with how we can understand people of the past You can be sure that today's supposedly progressive views will be condemned as woefully inadequate in future decades. Which is why no-one should claim to be all-virtuous in their views - their grandchildren won't see them that way. Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 12, 2020 6:39:22 GMT
I've told the story a lot, but my mum thought Space Pirates was sexist when reading it to me at the time. Well, it was in the sense that it took a comic that had maintained the line for its first four years (ignoring the Movie adaptation) that TFs were genderless living alien robots that humans chose to refer to in English by the male pronoun, which made perfect sense, and which was only sexist in that it reflected the likelihood that humans would see war machines as male, and it suddenly dropped a single pink robot with female appearance into the cast with no explanation, and referred to it by the female pronoun. TFs suddenly went from 100% genderless to... not sure - 99.5% male, 0.5% female, or what? Only a couple of years later did Furman clarify what was going on in 'Prime's Rib', explaining that Arcee was an anomaly created by a well-meaning Optimus Prime who didn't quite get it. Just as humans don't. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 12, 2020 7:52:03 GMT
Well ignoring the fact that "standards of the past" means "standards of white straight guys rather than what anyone else thought"... That's a horrible thing to say and a completely innacurate summary of what others are contributing to the discussion. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 12, 2020 7:57:23 GMT
Jonathan Bate's English history books make the same point, which is that we can't judge the people of the past by the standards/opinions/thoughts of the present as these change over time. This also interferes with how we can understand people of the past You can be sure that today's supposedly progressive views will be condemned as woefully inadequate in future decades. Which is why no-one should claim to be all-virtuous in their views - their grandchildren won't see them that way. Martin I can certainly think of some of my own views that I thought were perfectly acceptable 20 years ago but now aren't. -Ralph |
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