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Post by Pinwig on Mar 21, 2020 12:24:08 GMT
I really like that idea. I think it's much neater and a better integration than the headmasters. It should be part of the MM line - the bigger figure is the Transformer that can download itself into a Micromaster body sat in its chest when it needs to. Headmasters/Powermasters should have been like that from the start and sod all the Nebulan stuff.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 21, 2020 12:35:26 GMT
I really like that idea. I think it's much neater and a better integration than the headmasters. It should be part of the MM line - the bigger figure is the Transformer that can download itself into a Micromaster body sat in its chest when it needs to. Headmasters/Powermasters should have been like that from the start and sod all the Nebulan stuff. Cripes, no, that sounds so dull! Having humans link up with TFs gave the franchise more life, both in comics (Galen, Zarak, Spike, HiQ) and cartoons. Masterforce was the high note, then Victory came in with Brainmasters and Micromasters and it felt like a backward step in evolution - I just stopped caring. Maybe it was that the characters were less well written, but I think going back from Cybertronian/human pairings to plain TFs was part of what made me lose interest. Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 21, 2020 12:40:28 GMT
I really like that idea. I think it's much neater and a better integration than the headmasters. It should be part of the MM line - the bigger figure is the Transformer that can download itself into a Micromaster body sat in its chest when it needs to. Headmasters/Powermasters should have been like that from the start and sod all the Nebulan stuff. I, a Headmaster Loather, approve this... this... this COMPROMISE .
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 21, 2020 12:40:57 GMT
It seems clear that Countdown is a Brainmaster base that was repurposed as a Micromaster base in the West.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 21, 2020 12:42:03 GMT
I really like that idea. I think it's much neater and a better integration than the headmasters. It should be part of the MM line - the bigger figure is the Transformer that can download itself into a Micromaster body sat in its chest when it needs to. Headmasters/Powermasters should have been like that from the start and sod all the Nebulan stuff. Cripes, no, that sounds so dull! Having humans link up with TFs gave the franchise more life, both in comics (Galen, Zarak, Spike, HiQ) and cartoons. Masterforce was the high note, then Victory came in with Brainmasters and Micromasters and it felt like a backward step in evolution - I just stopped caring. Maybe it was that the characters were less well written, but I think going back from Cybertronian/human pairings to plain TFs was part of what made me lose interest. Martin The characters were good, no doubting that. Just the process that.... yuk.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 21, 2020 12:43:12 GMT
It seems clear that Countdown is a Brainmaster base that was repurposed as a Micromaster base in the West. But Countdown himself was a Micro, and the rocket base came with Micromasters in Japan! Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 21, 2020 12:43:12 GMT
I guess the little figures head ends up where the robot brain should be. Disgusting.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 21, 2020 12:46:06 GMT
The characters were good, no doubting that. Just the process that.... yuk. That's a fair point. It was the merging of human and robot minds that was important for story purposes, but there was no reason why the human had to transform. Story-wise, it would have worked just as well if the human binary-bonding to the TF just sat comfortably inside the TF. The transforming thing was just to satisfy the toy gimmick. Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 21, 2020 12:50:48 GMT
But with these 'Brainmasters', their brains DON'T turn into little robots! Surely their heads should open up and their BRAINS should leap out and transform! You've got a point there. -Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 21, 2020 12:53:02 GMT
The mechanism is quite clever though. But it meand that GIANT FACES SLIDE OUT OF THE CHESTS of the smaller robot. -Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2020 12:53:15 GMT
They're the brain and the face
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2020 12:54:12 GMT
Are the Brainmasters interchangeable?
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 21, 2020 13:16:59 GMT
I really like that idea. I think it's much neater and a better integration than the headmasters. It should be part of the MM line - the bigger figure is the Transformer that can download itself into a Micromaster body sat in its chest when it needs to. Headmasters/Powermasters should have been like that from the start and sod all the Nebulan stuff. No, Pinwig, no! -Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 21, 2020 13:17:46 GMT
Are the Brainmasters interchangeable? NO. -Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 21, 2020 13:20:40 GMT
I really like that idea. I think it's much neater and a better integration than the headmasters. It should be part of the MM line - the bigger figure is the Transformer that can download itself into a Micromaster body sat in its chest when it needs to. Headmasters/Powermasters should have been like that from the start and sod all the Nebulan stuff. Cripes, no, that sounds so dull! Having humans link up with TFs gave the franchise more life, both in comics (Galen, Zarak, Spike, HiQ) and cartoons. Masterforce was the high note, then Victory came in with Brainmasters and Micromasters and it felt like a backward step in evolution - I just stopped caring. Maybe it was that the characters were less well written, but I think going back from Cybertronian/human pairings to plain TFs was part of what made me lose interest. Martin Yeah, I do get that. I'm just in the opposite camp. I thought Masterforce was the low point for the TF cartoons; I like my TF stories to be about Cybertronians. The Headmaster concept is interesting, but I can't get past the 'whose intelligence is running the robot?' thing. Having two voices arguing inside the head is just silly and regardless of the diversity of the Headmaster story, it seems ridiculous to me that someone like Fort Max would just give his body to an alien and allow his head to sit in a cupboard indefinitely. That whole storyline is silly. Fuel economy/subterfuge could have meant that from the start all the little peoples could have been the big peoples as well. Given the number of Japanese mecha stories where that does happen I can imagine that was the original intention until Marvel were asked to come up with a back story and went in the Nebulan direction. Then the evolution is that the Micromasters are the smaller versions of the bigger robots without the transtector bodies - not enough fuel left to power them. Pretenders are reduced sized TFs inside organic bodies that use a different energy source. It's just cleaner and makes more sense if the little peoples aren't a totally different race mucking about with Cybertronian tech.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 21, 2020 13:30:52 GMT
Cleaner, yes, but leads to stagnation of the species. Humans need TF tech to survive because our physical bodies are weak, TFs need human creativity/imagination to grow because on their own they make virtually no progress (technologically or socially) over millions of years. When the two species come together and cross-pollinate their respective strengths... that's when both the TFs and the humans become interesting. In fact, that's the essence of TFs to me.
Martin
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 21, 2020 13:50:57 GMT
When the two species come together and cross-pollinate their respective strengths... that's when both the TFs and the humans become interesting. Yes yes, agreed. But they can do that without gluing themselves to each other.
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Post by The Huff on Mar 21, 2020 14:23:32 GMT
Are the Brainmasters interchangeable? I believe they are. I shall check when home and take photos if they are for Ralph's delight.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2020 14:56:45 GMT
Good Man!
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 21, 2020 16:16:14 GMT
There is no need for this tomfoolery.
-Ralph
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Post by The Huff on Mar 21, 2020 20:55:09 GMT
It will please you ALL to know...you can indeed:
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 21, 2020 21:08:42 GMT
Oh come on.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 21, 2020 21:09:06 GMT
Glorious.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 22, 2020 9:19:28 GMT
HAAA! Superb.
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Post by The Huff on Mar 22, 2020 12:12:54 GMT
I am now wishing I'd have thought of giving one of them Cheetor's arse gun too.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 22, 2020 12:17:34 GMT
No need, no need.
-Ralpj
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Post by Llama God on Mar 22, 2020 13:32:43 GMT
It will please you ALL to know...you can indeed: I am most definitely pleased.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 22, 2020 17:11:49 GMT
I... I find I can, umm, tollerate this... manifestation of 'this kind of thing'. I think the mechanism is clever.
And I'm voting Laster, 'cos I'm a 'laster' to... *Winks at the Ladies*
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Post by The Huff on Mar 22, 2020 21:09:35 GMT
But who will be the 'Laster vote'?
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 22, 2020 21:13:27 GMT
He's here all week, folks.
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