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Post by The Huff on Jul 3, 2021 8:39:39 GMT
Would I spoil the reveal of your theory if I posted 'Well, G1 Strafe has orange and red on him'?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 3, 2021 8:50:58 GMT
Nope, because the thought had occurred to me that maybe Stafe & Jetfire swapped colours too. But I didn't want to complicate matters further for the easily confused especially as, as I said, there's a couple of good reasons why Hasbro might want a mad coloured Jetfire.
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Post by Benn on Jul 3, 2021 9:01:10 GMT
And this isn't just Hasbro going through it's "slap a related name on it so we don't lose copyright" phase? Cuz that's what it looks like to me.
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Post by The Huff on Jul 3, 2021 9:09:23 GMT
Yes. Looking at the other classic name releases (Gobots, Laser Cycles, Auto Rollers, ATB jet etc) colours or looks just didn't matter so why would it apply here? I wonder of its just because Jetfire is uses amoung these (fan favourite and sort of correct jet) that we question the choices.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 3, 2021 9:39:52 GMT
Nope, because the thought had occurred to me that maybe Stafe & Jetfire swapped colours too. But I didn't want to complicate matters further for the easily confused especially as, as I said, there's a couple of good reasons why Hasbro might want a mad coloured Jetfire. Strafe and Jetfire did not seap colours!!! -Ralph
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Post by The Huff on Jul 3, 2021 10:27:27 GMT
Transformers was a dying brand at this point - would Harmony Gold have even noticed or realised at this point? Especially on such an obscure little pocket money toy that was hardly making Hasbro millions.
I assumed their recent lawsuit was because Transformers is in the limelight so much now.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 3, 2021 10:28:47 GMT
Yes. Looking at the other classic name releases (Gobots, Laser Cycles, Auto Rollers, ATB jet etc) colours or looks just didn't matter so why would it apply here? I'd argue the colours are tied to the names in one of those, were intended in one more, as I will demonstrate, and possibly were intended in a third I wonder of its just because Jetfire is uses amoung these (fan favourite and sort of correct jet) that we question the choices. Jetfire's certainly a big influence here. But the energon blue on Autobots, who have Decepticon symbols, and red on Decepticons, who have no synmbols, does also suggest to the mind that there's been a cockup here. And this isn't just Hasbro going through it's "slap a related name on it so we don't lose copyright" phase? Cuz that's what it looks like to me. I genuinely think is moving to tying the colours, looks and names together at this stage - some positive evidence of them getting it RIGHT in two weeks time
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Post by The Huff on Jul 3, 2021 11:38:06 GMT
Oh yes - I can see the argument that the Jets colours may have been intended the other way around.
But I could also see that the nameslaps onto random coloured toys (who were possibly going to simple be wave refreshes with the original names) was a last minute thing.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 8, 2021 9:25:03 GMT
Finishes TOMORROW when our penultimate G2 poll starts!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 9, 2021 6:36:17 GMT
Jetfire wins
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 9, 2021 6:36:38 GMT
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Post by Llama God on Jul 9, 2021 7:04:42 GMT
Do do do do do, do do do do, the Gobots! The Gobots!
Mad theory time ahoy! I'm presuming, anyway. Frenzy is red, Sideswipe is blue?! Colour swaps? Or maybe it's Soundwave and Sideswipe that were swapped? Who knows, but there must be *some* theories!
But as to which one is best... there's some really nice figures here, and Bumblebee and High Beam are particularly good. But it's really hard to turn off my Optimus Prime bias, so... I won't. Also he's a red sports car. Come on.
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Post by The Huff on Jul 9, 2021 7:33:30 GMT
Are we voting on Prime and Megatron seperately? Because they were wave 2 I believe (along with solid colours of Motormouth & Gearhead) - and these are wave 3.
Anyway, hard to decide with this lot. Bumblebee looks the nicest - but I love Soundwave crazy colours.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 9, 2021 7:40:06 GMT
Yes!
Optimus Prime vs Megatron is G2's grand finale next week, which leads us VERY nicely into BW's opening round the week after.... so you maybe able to guess what that is now and it gives Burns two weeks thinking time as to why that is an illegal poll.
The variants Op & Megs create elsewhere we'll tackle Monday and Op & Megs (& Soundwave's) Japanese variants the Monday after.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 9, 2021 7:40:10 GMT
Well.....
The plastic colours for these very much suggest that A) most of these toys are not named what they were originally meant to be and B) these should have been Decepticons.
The only one that shouts "I'm who I saw I am on the package" is Bumblebee and that's thanks to the gold paint app. Underneath BB is *VERY* similar to High Beam, just a different shade of yellow.
Ironhide in particular screams Decepticon. Mirage does too as does Frenzy, albeit not Frenzy's colours. Sideswipe is nice, but those are not Sideswipe's colours..... either set of them! Though they have recently been legitimised by Netflix Deep Cover.
The train wreck though is Soundwave, the sick yellow used in smaller quantities on Sideswipe & BB looks hidoes here and it's far too similar to the original version of the mould Gearhead.
It's a struggle between Sideswipe, looks nice but not Sideswipe's colours, and BB and I think BB wins
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 9, 2021 7:42:17 GMT
Do do do do do, do do do do, the Gobots! The Gobots! Mad theory time ahoy! I'm presuming, anyway. Frenzy is red, Sideswipe is blue?! Colour swaps? Or maybe it's Soundwave and Sideswipe that were swapped? Who knows, but there must be *some* theories! But as to which one is best... there's some really nice figures here, and Bumblebee and High Beam are particularly good. But it's really hard to turn off my Optimus Prime bias, so... I won't. Also he's a red sports car. Come on. Op isn't here. As for mad theories..... shall we play the "Compare both waves to the original colours" game again like we did last week? Wave 1 top row. Original colours of the w2 names second row Wave 2 bottom row
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Post by The Huff on Jul 9, 2021 7:45:07 GMT
I still think the nameslaps were last minute. Yes Bumblebee is the right colours sort of but he is also the tallest, which annoyed me. I'm sure the solid colour wave was done for wave 2 and Prime & Megs names were suddenly slapped onto the solid Firecracker & Blowout.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 9, 2021 7:57:52 GMT
The solid colour wave is labelled Wave 1.5, a designation which boils my p!$$!
I'm not 100% sure what came when and the only reason Op & Megs aren't first is because I wanted them to wrap things up with
I didn't mind the BB being the tallest, it struck me it was a BB that had grown up a bit.
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Post by Benn on Jul 9, 2021 8:05:19 GMT
Tough choice. Natural bias says Frenzy because I somehow have him and the glittery paint is really really nice. Ironhide and Sideswipe though... those colours pop. I really like them. Mirage is the most 'normal', but carries it well. Gonna need to think on this.
If a Selects Gobot Sideswipe was released I would buy it.
Doesn't Alternator Rumble have the same shade of maroon as Frenzy here? Does that mean we think he should have been called Rumble?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 9, 2021 8:15:30 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 9, 2021 10:27:48 GMT
These are all the correct colours.
-Ralph
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Post by Jaymz on Jul 9, 2021 20:11:58 GMT
The solid colour wave is labelled Wave 1.5, a designation which boils my p!$$! I'm not 100% sure what came when and the only reason Op & Megs aren't first is because I wanted them to wrap things up with Not heard of a Wave 1.5, I always thought they were Wave 2 as it's a rerun of Wave 1 but without the transparent plastics. These are Wave 3. Which would make this an illegal poll.
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Post by The Huff on Jul 9, 2021 20:26:29 GMT
Which we must assume that the 'solid coloured' Firecracker & Blowout were just going to be the same characters the same as the solid Gearhead & Motormouth. I wonder why they weren't all given new identities when they decided to slap the leaders names on the first two?
Solid Gearhead could have been Sunstreaker and solid Motormouth could have been Trailbreaker or possibly Laserbeak going by the logic applied here.
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Post by Llama God on Jul 10, 2021 8:23:35 GMT
What? I'm sure he was when I was having breakfast yesterday. Did I hallucinate? Have I finally cracked? Or did you sneakily edit the poll per the above comments? In which case... Bumblebee!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 10, 2021 8:34:25 GMT
What? I'm sure he was when I was having breakfast yesterday. Did I hallucinate? Yes. Possibly, having children and loosing sleep does do that to one. Or did you sneakily edit the poll per the above comments? No! But both Op an Megatron are in the above picture which is maybe where it sank into your sleep deprived head In which case... Bumblebee! A good choice sir! I would have probably have bought that BB on sight if I'd have seen it. Curse you mid 90s UK toy distribution!
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Post by The Huff on Jul 10, 2021 10:48:31 GMT
I still have a separate carded Gobot Bumblebee but he is part of my carded G1 Bumblebees collection.
I wonder if anyone actually collects carded Movie Bumblebees?
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 10, 2021 10:51:38 GMT
I am still annoyed that deluxes are now boxed. They should be carded!!!
This is why Core is good...though they should be on the card in alt-mode!!!
-Ralph
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Post by The Huff on Jul 10, 2021 11:07:16 GMT
I quite like the boxes of the past few years. They are quite smart and feel quite premium - and I do like the option of putting them back in the box if I want to.
But yes, vehicle modes all the way please.
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 12, 2021 0:21:00 GMT
Do do do do do, do do do do, the Gobots! The Gobots! Mad theory time ahoy! I'm presuming, anyway. Frenzy is red, Sideswipe is blue?! Colour swaps? Or maybe it's Soundwave and Sideswipe that were swapped? Who knows, but there must be *some* theories! But as to which one is best... there's some really nice figures here, and Bumblebee and High Beam are particularly good. But it's really hard to turn off my Optimus Prime bias, so... I won't. Also he's a red sports car. Come on. Op isn't here. As for mad theories..... shall we play the "Compare both waves to the original colours" game again like we did last week? Wave 1 top row. Original colours of the w2 names second row Wave 2 bottom row This could be explained by the fact I am an accepting fool, but I feel (most) of these colours made a degree of sense. We now know there was an unused blue and yellow scheme for G2 Sideswipe. Frenzy is somewhat avoiding the blue or red question by sort of going down the middle. Bumblebee works. And Ironhide, er Iron...... yes, Iron, hes Iron coloured. He can hide in Iron. Perfect. Alright Mirage and Soundwave are harder to explain. White to black is a G2y sort of thing I suppose. And Soundwave ..... The blue and purple are nice Soundwavey colours, so thats nice.
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 12, 2021 0:32:08 GMT
On the other hand theres a fairly sensible set of five Stunticons right there.*
If you dont think about it too much.
G1 Motormaster G2 Dragstrip G2 Wildrider G1 Deadend and er... blue Breakdown, I guess we can call that G2 Breakdown.
*.. and er gold Rollercar.
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