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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2018 8:05:29 GMT
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Post by Jim on Jul 13, 2018 8:36:45 GMT
My first thought was "what about micromaster combiner squads?"! Will people tend to vote for rear ends, as happens so often in politics?
Oh, and Duocons! Will we vote for plane vs tank vs jeep vs helicopter?
Can of worms: opened
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2018 9:15:55 GMT
My first thought was "what about micromaster combiner squads?"! Will people tend to vote for rear ends, as happens so often in politics? Jim appoints himself official backside monitor when we reach Combiner squads! Oh, and Duocons! Will we vote for plane vs tank vs jeep vs helicopter? Can of worms: opened Indeed. My rule of thumbs is if it's a named robot we're voting for it. So Duocons are one robot each, Battletrap and Flywheels. Except when they're the POTP version, which is two robots, a combined mode and a "when are they going to make the other one/two" The exception being the packed in Head, Target & Power masters. And we'll probably do an extra poll for them, especially the ones by themselves that don't appear on any catalogue. I suspect we'll probably do Micromaster multipacks against each other too. There's sort of a precedent going to be set over the next four weeks there. The Targetmasters set another problem in that we'll be voting for 5 toys we've already voted for. The argument there is they're sufficiently changed. It gets very messy from 1988 onwards! Japan sticks different names on some toys and recolours others. Things like Minerva and GoShooter are clear cut as they're repaints with a new name like Prowl and Red Alert. So in all things, the poll setter's decision is final! |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 13, 2018 10:01:44 GMT
Reflector is one robot with three parts.
Like Optimus Prime.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 13, 2018 10:03:22 GMT
Even I am driven to say illegal poll.
Desperate times.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2018 10:27:19 GMT
Reflector is one robot with three parts. Like Optimus Prime. Optimus Prime isn't three different Robots though? Reflector may be one Transformer with three parts.... |
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Post by Dezzeh on Jul 13, 2018 10:54:12 GMT
Valid poll, 3 differing robots transform in to a specific part that combines to make a whole.
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Post by Jim on Jul 13, 2018 12:07:46 GMT
so I don't actually mind this being a poll because it's fine to have a favourite of the Reflector trio given they look sufficiently different, but like with Time Warrior before it's fun to split hairs! When it comes to the Duocons you could argue that individually the vehicles don't transform to anything meaningful, they have to be put together to complete the transformation, so considering them separately doesn't make sense. Reflector is like the same situation but with three robots forming one disguise, and therefore shouldn't be considered separately either  Or, as you couldn't have bought the Reflector components individually do they count as a catalogue sub-group? Surely a group within a catalogue is a group of distinct purchasable products? There could be a group of one, but then there's only one to vote for... Anyway, I pick Viewfinder for looking the most interesting in robot mode! Valid poll but fun to question! |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 13, 2018 12:41:41 GMT
Reflector is one robot with three parts. Like Optimus Prime. Optimus Prime isn't three different Robots though? Reflector may be one Transformer with three parts.... Optimus Prime is composed of three individual physical units. No one unit is 'Optimus Prime'. Think Borg Collective Phil. |
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Post by Jim on Jul 13, 2018 14:01:31 GMT
Can't quite decide whether the three parts that make up the classic Optimus Prime toy robot are trailer + cab + roller or cab + right fist + left fist.
The latter three make up the robot, but I guess the whole lot make up the Transformer!
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Post by Jim on Jul 13, 2018 14:02:24 GMT
(thanks for the new title, Phil! I am honoured)
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Post by Benn on Jul 13, 2018 14:55:25 GMT
Titles?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2018 15:33:27 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 13, 2018 16:21:04 GMT
Surely...surely you are not thinking of voting for each Micromaster separately rather than as full patrols??? -Ralph Which is the best member of the Airstrike patrol? Which is the best member of the Battle patrol? YUP But...when I looked at the catalogues at the time it was clearly advertising COMPLETE patrols and I selected them as such. Whoever chose a patrol based on an individual member? You couldn't buy the team members on their own! -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 13, 2018 16:22:22 GMT
Reflector is one robot with three parts. Like Optimus Prime. Optimus Prime isn't three different Robots though? Yes he is! Combat Deck, Roller and Optimus Prime. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Jul 13, 2018 16:25:55 GMT
I think how reflector is portrayed and how he works depends on the fiction continuity and writer.
And I think in general, there are four ways to look at it.
1) Three seperate transformers whom combine into one alternate mode, like the year two micromasters
2) One unique transformer, with one unique spark split three ways. It's the opposite of option 1, and the reverse of a duocon or Magmatron
3) Three unique transformers with a collective consciousness, like the Borg
4) One transformer that has the ability to make photo copies of himself.
However, my understanding of this poll is not asking what reflector is, it is asking which individual robot toy looks the coolest from the picture provided, and from the picture alone.
I do think "What is Reflector?" is a good poll idea though.
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Post by Toph on Jul 13, 2018 16:27:42 GMT
Optimus Prime isn't three different Robots though? Yes he is! Combat Deck, Roller and Optimus Prime. -Ralph Those are less robots, and more like body parts, though. Which I always thought was cool, and reinforced his alienness than most writers go with. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 13, 2018 20:48:12 GMT
Optimus Prime is composed of three individual physical units. No one unit is 'Optimus Prime'. Agreed. As Uncle Bob set it out, the cab is the Optimus module, Roller is the Prime module and the trailer is the Combat Deck module. Reflector's not so different. The Time Warrior poll result established that humanoid forms are irrelevant. A robot need not be humanoid. (Incidentally, I hope we can all agree without the need for a poll that the Combat Deck is the best component of Optimus Prime.) In the Spy Cassette poll I voted for Buzzsaw because he had the best accessories, which included Soundwave. But they were totally separate characters with separate tech-specs. Reflector is one Transformer, a camera that transforms into a trio of humanoid components. They're all equally good toys to purchase because whichever one you get, the other two come with it. Martin |
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Post by Llama God on Jul 13, 2018 21:42:31 GMT
*applauds*
Well done Phil! I was wondering how you'd top the contentiousness of last week's poll, and here we are. Superb!
I do have to ask, though: Given that cassette-player Soundwave is clearly visible on that catalogue, which poll is he going to appear in..? ;-)
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2018 21:53:51 GMT
*applauds* Well done Phil! I was wondering how you'd top the contentiousness of last week's poll, and here we are. Superb! Thank you. Back to normality next week, unless anyone wants to play the "THAT'S NOT A PROPER TRANSFORMERS CATALOGUE!! !!" card. I do have to ask, though: Given that cassette-player Soundwave is clearly visible on that catalogue, which poll is he going to appear in..? ;-) BAD LLAMAGOD! |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 13, 2018 21:55:36 GMT
Surely Phil is not thinking of using illegal catalogues now too???!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2018 21:56:59 GMT
I'm sure Burns will back me on this one!
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 13, 2018 22:06:24 GMT
On current form that seems unlikely!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2018 22:10:27 GMT
I know the document I refer to is a Burns favourite.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 13, 2018 22:13:19 GMT
SPECIAL TEAMS!
-Ralph
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Post by Llama God on Jul 13, 2018 22:46:35 GMT
Ooooooooooooooh!
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 14, 2018 9:24:25 GMT
Now voting for SPECIAL TEAMS! members separately makes sense as they were available separately! The rule is that if a robot has its own packaging then it is a discrete unit and can be voted on.
-Ralph
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Post by Jaymz on Jul 14, 2018 12:41:35 GMT
Reflector is my favourite Reflector, but it doesn't appear to be an option, can you add that please?
And Micromasters should definitely be voted for as Patrols/Squads. Voting on individual members should be in the extra poll thread.
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Post by reilly2040 on Jul 14, 2018 13:38:32 GMT
And Micromasters should definitely be voted for as Patrols/Squads. Voting on individual members should be in the extra poll thread. That would probably be my preference too. For me, it should go by what you're going into a shop and physically buying. But then, I'm too lazy to setup polls, so I'll happily vote on whatever Phil posts up, and just enjoy the controversy Reflector's never been of much interest to me, but if I had to pick one, it has to be Viewfinder, being the less generic of the three and more obviously tied to the alt mode. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 14, 2018 17:31:06 GMT
Now voting for SPECIAL TEAMS! members separately makes sense as they were available separately! The rule is that if a robot has its own packaging then it is a discrete unit and can be voted on. We already broke that rule with the Spy Cassettes, which came in pairs. But they did have separate tech-specs for each character, unlike the Micromasters. Reflector did actually come with tech-specs, presumably written by Bob Budiansky, though not of the coloured box kind, and they don't mention his three components by name. The instructions give their names.  www.tfw2005.com/transformers-images/tech-specs/Generation-1-Tech-Specs/1986-Transformers-Tech-Specs/Reflector.jpg.htmlwww.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-other-mail-away-exclusive-reflector/315/Does anyone know how many rub-signs Reflector had? Optimus Prime and Metroplex only had one, but the Spy Cassettes had one each, as with tech-specs. Photos I've seen suggest Reflector only has one rub-sign, on Viewfinder, which would support him being seen as a single toy, like Prime, Metroplex and the Duocons. Martin |
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