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Post by Bogatan on May 1, 2019 7:53:29 GMT
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I do however wonder if the recently annouced animated What If... series for Disney+ was developed out of the idea of these branching timelines.
Certainly Timeline 1 seems like a perfect basis for an episode. Lokis escape would too if he wasnt getting his own show which probably plays out from that point. |
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Post by Jim on May 1, 2019 20:02:04 GMT
Finally saw it after carefully avoiding spoilers for the past week! I am still stinging years later after Chris Mcfeely spoiled the post-credits scene of Avengers on Twitter the very day I went to see it  I enjoyed it overall, and there are some _great_ moments in it, but it is not in my top tier. I think my top 5 in no particular order would now be: Doctor Strange Winter Soldier Captain Marvel Avengers Iron Man This is basically the list of films I most enjoyed and would happily rewatch - and do, aside from CM where I don't yet have the opportunity. |
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Post by Shockprowl on May 2, 2019 17:35:42 GMT
{Spoiler}Seen it. Really enjoyed it. Buuuutttt....
I dunno, time travel, I... I find it a bit of a plot-killer, in many ways. They did it well, don't get me wrong, but as soon as it began to go down that road I felt a little twang of 'huh'.
I haven to disagree with what a few have been saying about how they did Thor. I didn't like it. Have him 'go through something' by all means, but, they made it too jokey. I didn't like it.
Cap's story arch was very nice, I wasn't expecting that. However weren't they supposed to not be interfering with the past...? Wouldn't him stating the past alter it? I mean, could he really have kept his head down for all those years?
Black Widow's death was a shock.
Stark's death... it was done very well, very emotional. But they give him a little girl then kill him? Doesn't seem right to me. Left a bad taste in the mouth. Seemed... unnecessary... obvious.
So, yeah, I enjoyed it. Some great moments in there. But, I did leave the cinema feeling slightly hollow. Not sure if that's the films fault or what. |
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Post by Toph on May 2, 2019 21:08:53 GMT
Saw it today. It was leagues better than IW, but still a hot mess. It was only slightly less confusing than The Last Knight was. But a lot more enjoyable than IW or TLK. I'd put it lower middle. Stark dying was highly expected, but pisses me off because now we don't get Riri Williams as Ironman with Tony Stark bruce wayning from the sidelines. Screen broke. Should have started at 00:05. It is 00:26... -Ralph Same thing happened to me. |
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Post by blueshift on May 2, 2019 21:32:58 GMT
Saw it today. It was leagues better than IW, but still a hot mess. It was only slightly less confusing than The Last Knight was. But a lot more enjoyable than IW or TLK. I'd put it lower middle. Stark dying was highly expected, but pisses me off because now we don't get Riri Williams as Ironman with Tony Stark bruce wayning from the sidelines. Screen broke. Should have started at 00:05. It is 00:26... -Ralph Same thing happened to me. Pretty sure Stark was dead and an AI advising her in the Riri comics? |
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Post by Toph on May 3, 2019 7:00:33 GMT
Saw it today. It was leagues better than IW, but still a hot mess. It was only slightly less confusing than The Last Knight was. But a lot more enjoyable than IW or TLK. I'd put it lower middle. Stark dying was highly expected, but pisses me off because now we don't get Riri Williams as Ironman with Tony Stark bruce wayning from the sidelines. Same thing happened to me. Pretty sure Stark was dead and an AI advising her in the Riri comics? And Stark never mentored, or was particularly close to Peter Parker in the comics. On Thor- I wonder if they're setting up the other Thor, with Natalie Portman's return, Odinson leaving, and Steve taking Mjolnir, or if Portman's appearance was a one time deal? Because I'd heard after The Dark World, she didn't want anything to do with Marvel anymore?
I do wish this had happened, though:
Steve picks up the hammer. Thor grins, "I knew it."
Steve throws the hammer at Thanos, and Tony catches it on the other side, and throws it back. Thor grins wider, "That I did not know..." |
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Post by blueshift on May 3, 2019 8:31:45 GMT
And Stark never mentored, or was particularly close to Peter Parker in the comics. Yeah he was, for a long time leading up to Civil War. That's where Spidey got the Iron Spider costume from as well |
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Post by The Doctor on May 3, 2019 11:19:34 GMT
Yup.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on May 3, 2019 16:12:15 GMT
And Stark never mentored, or was particularly close to Peter Parker in the comics. Yeah he was, for a long time leading up to Civil War. That's where Spidey got the Iron Spider costume from as well Parker was an adult who did not need a mentor at that point, nor was Tony his mentor for the fifty years prior to Tony bribing him with the Iron Spider suit in order to get him to betray his own self interest in a move that ultimately got Aunt May killed and resulted in the single worst and stupidest Spiderman story of all time: One More Day.
Any event from Civil War is invalid, as absolutely no one was written in character.
Save maybe only Captain America. And he got shot.
The MCU is not even remotely trying to be comic accurate, nor should it.
Anyway, Tony being a bruce wayne style mentor to Riri makes a million times more sense than anything he did with Peter. The fact he didn't do that in the comics is as trivial as the fact that he didn't do anything to Peter, that he has in the MCU (Iron Spider suit aside) |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 3, 2019 16:48:56 GMT
The fact you dislike the Civil War comic doesn't make any of it invalid.
I think it's a load of crap as well, doesn't invalidate it though.
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Post by Toph on May 5, 2019 11:03:47 GMT
I can definitely understand why RDJ may want to be done with Tony Stark, though.
• Ironman
• Ironman 2
• Ironman 3
• Avengers
• Avengers: Age of Ultron
• Avengers: Infinity War
• Avengers: Endgame
• Captain America: Civil War
• Spiderman: Homecoming
• Incredible Hulk
That's ten movies in ten years. Three of them carrying the film himself, five of them being major roles, and one of them being a fairly significant commitment of time. Only one just being a "pop on the set" cameo.
Plus press events, childrens hospitals, and such.
That's a lot, in a relatively short period of time. He's put in significantly more of his time into the MCU than any other actor. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 5, 2019 12:36:41 GMT
I can definitely understand why RDJ may want to be done with Tony Stark, though.
• Ironman
• Ironman 2
• Ironman 3
• Avengers
• Avengers: Age of Ultron
• Avengers: Infinity War
• Avengers: Endgame
• Captain America: Civil War
• Spiderman: Homecoming
• Incredible Hulk
That's ten movies in ten years. Three of them carrying the film himself, five of them being major roles, and one of them being a fairly significant commitment of time. Only one just being a "pop on the set" cameo.
Plus press events, childrens hospitals, and such.
That's a lot, in a relatively short period of time. He's put in significantly more of his time into the MCU than any other actor. Yeah, and probably earnt the most money, with his fee going up with every film. He wasn't doing much before Iron Man saved his career. Don't get me wrong, I think he should diversify if he can (big 'if' - Sherlock Holmes didn't really do it), but he shouldn't regret anything he's done in the MCU. Martin |
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Post by drmick on May 5, 2019 15:43:56 GMT
When do the spoiler tags stop? It's soul destroying opening multiple ones in quoted posts for stuff that's not a spoiler.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 5, 2019 15:55:40 GMT
Give it another week or two. Spoilers aren't that much hassle and there are still folk out there who havent seen it. Even the fact that RDJ MCU career is now over is a spoiler as it points to what happens to his character in Endgame.
Saw it a second time myself yesterday. Still enjoyed it, but also still of the opinion it is about 7th-10th on my MCU list. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 5, 2019 15:58:18 GMT
When do the spoiler tags stop? It's soul destroying opening multiple ones in quoted posts for stuff that's not a spoiler. They sort of still are spoilers, if they're talking about certain actors maybe no longer doing MCU films after Endgame. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on May 5, 2019 16:12:03 GMT
My general rule of thumb for when films comes out is keep discussion in spoilers for a week as not everyone can see it opening weekend due to working patterns, family, etc. For 'big' films I usually give it a fortnight before open chat. Such films can often be sold out due to higher demand so it can take longer for folk to see them. I know folk who really want to see Endgame but haven't been able to yet as they can't get tickets for showings that suit.
I tend to find less of a spoiler etiquette on other parts of The Interweb.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on May 5, 2019 19:57:42 GMT
I am one of those who doesn't get to see films like this early due to family commitments (it took a week this time, which isn't bad by my usual standards but felt agonising for this one) so appreciate the attention to spoiler tags.
On the other hand, when I'm _really_ keen to avoid spoilers I don't even enter the threads...
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Post by Shockprowl on May 5, 2019 20:08:45 GMT
YES! TO THE GALVAJIM WE MUST LISTEN, BROTHERS!
Wise the Galvajim is...
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Post by The Doctor on May 8, 2019 21:23:17 GMT
In some ways the 2nd viewing punched me in the gut even more! {Spoiler}It also became obvious that the true hero of the Avengers was the rat. If it had not pressed the buttons in Lang's van then Ant-Man would not have been freed from the quantum realm and time travel would not have been invented!!! |
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Post by The Doctor on May 8, 2019 22:10:45 GMT
Oh what a rollercoaster. I'm finding it harder to cope after the second time than I did after the first time!
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on May 8, 2019 23:54:48 GMT
You know, I see a lot of people complaining about how the Russos are systematically trying to undo all of Thor's character development (which I disagree with), but It struck me that they really did flat out erase all of Loki's. They killed him off, then reset him from hot off the first Avengers. Completely eradicating everything he went through since then. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2019 19:36:41 GMT
The SPOILER toy is now up for preorder KapowBBTS£90 is a little much though |
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Post by Toph on May 10, 2019 22:31:09 GMT
I think there was one major absence from Endgame- Agent Melinda May. (Note: I haven't seen the season six premier of AoS. That's on in two hours)
Second cold opening for Endgame. May and Coulson sitting on the Tahitian beach, just enjoying their last days together. Coulson turns to dust before her eyes. She jumps up and gets on the coms for Shield to come down. As she's trying to explain to Daisy, Daisy tells her it's happening all over the world. Then Daisy does silent. She can't raise anyone. Anywhere.
The next time we see May, is five years in the future, working with Nat and the others.
Or hell... even just having her cameo in the holograph scene. Mention that she and Mockingbird have been tracking Barton, at least. Oyoke didn't have much more to do that that, herself. |
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Post by drmick on May 11, 2019 9:45:21 GMT
Agents of Shield and Agent Carter are both very poor shows. I doubt we'll ever get mainstream MCU recognition for them other than an easter egg.
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Post by Toph on May 11, 2019 9:59:10 GMT
I care more about Agents of Shield than I do any of the movies.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 11, 2019 10:40:58 GMT
Agent Carter was a great show!
Martin
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Post by drmick on May 11, 2019 15:17:52 GMT
I care more about Agents of Shield than I do any of the movies. We've banned you from all MCU criticism have we not?  I watched all of s1 of AoS. Pretty bland. Got around 8 episodes to s2 and had to give up it was so boring. But kept reading stuff online that it had got better, so I tuned in for the s2 finale. I got to the 2nd commercial break and gave up because it was just the same boring guff. Agent Carter- watched the first episode. Also quite boring, but at the same time it appeared to be taking massive retcon risks with the timeline I thought. Got to the first commercial break of ep2 and gave up. For me, life is far too short to have to put up with boring shite. Especially these days when the standard of TV is so high. There must easily be 50 TV shows on right now better than AoS. Taking streaming services and shows that are finished that number must well into three figures. I'm a big MCU fan, so I can forgive fans for continuing to watch out of loyalty. I can forgive non-MCU uber-fans for liking it as a guilty pleasure. But I will not countenance anybody saying it as as good as the MCU, or saying it represents good TV. |
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Post by Toph on May 11, 2019 15:53:11 GMT
I care more about Agents of Shield than I do any of the movies. We've banned you from all MCU criticism have we not? I know you're joking, and are just being playful, but maybe back off a little on those jokes please? They're starting to wear a little thin ATM. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 11, 2019 16:31:28 GMT
I'm a big MCU fan, so I can forgive fans for continuing to watch out of loyalty. I can forgive non-MCU uber-fans for liking it as a guilty pleasure. But I will not countenance anybody saying it as as good as the MCU, or saying it represents good TV. Well, having seen all the movies and all of Agent Carter, AoS (so far) and Jessica Jones I feel qualified to compare them, and personally I would say Agent Carter is very good TV, easily better than the least good movies in the series and a worthy continuation to the events of Cap: The First Avenger. Obviously, the films have higher production values but there are some stories that are better suited to TV than feature films. I'm less of a fan of the other Marvel TV shows but can understand if others find them compelling. Everyone here's entitled to their opinion as long as it doesn't descend into trolling. Martin |
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Post by Toph on May 12, 2019 0:13:22 GMT
Okay, so how ridiculous the Russos behaved with this movie, they apparently told most of the actors that Tony's funeral was a wedding. You know, the marvel actors are just absolutely amazing, given the BS that was forced on them and not having the slightest clue where their emotions were supposed to be coming from. |
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