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Post by Shockprowl on May 14, 2019 21:28:49 GMT
I think the five year gap is done specifically so they can bring in the next generation of heroes who were inspired by Ironman and the Avengers.
Characters like Ms Marvel, Nadia Pym, and Adam Choi(?) would be harder to work in without these superheroes being a big part of their childhood.
Which is why kids like Peter Parker, Ned, Mj, and Shuri were dusted and brought back five years later, while others like Cassie Lang were left to age. Good theory. |
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Post by Toph on May 15, 2019 6:47:19 GMT
(Gosh I miss Avengers: EMH so much)
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Post by The Doctor on May 17, 2019 20:05:46 GMT
3rd watch and this time in IMAX at a 2d showing. While it was filmed with IMAX cameras and so uses the full screen size it is clearly framed for regular screen size (which is fine). Still enjoyed it greatly. It's not the best MCU film for me but it is the most affecting. What I noticed this time was how little action there actually is in it. Most of the film is people talking.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 17, 2019 21:05:06 GMT
My third viewing of it was also on IMAX! In Milton Keynes. They have now added the new Spider-Man trailer after the end credits.
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Post by drmick on May 18, 2019 9:27:59 GMT
3rd watch and this time in IMAX at a 2d showing. While it was filmed with IMAX cameras and so uses the full screen size it is clearly framed for regular screen size (which is fine). Still enjoyed it greatly. It's not the best MCU film for me but it is the most affecting. What I noticed this time was how little action there actually is in it. Most of the film is people talking. -Ralph Yeah I caught that on my second viewing. Some mild time hi-jinks, and then the final battle. How long does that final battle last in terms of screen time? |
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Post by Bogatan on May 18, 2019 15:53:19 GMT
Wish I could have made it to a 2d Imax screening.
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Post by Pinwig on May 18, 2019 18:30:46 GMT
That was a tough watch and no mistake. I didn't realise I was so invested in those characters but that really put me through the wringer. I'm genuinely surprised I didn't get any of that spoiled. I had no idea about any of the plot at all. I really like the fact it focused pretty much on the original avengers crew. I was expecting a three hour effects marathon in which nothing really happened, simply because I thought there can't have been anything to spoil, but oh my word that was good. |
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Post by Shockprowl on May 18, 2019 21:14:39 GMT
That was a tough watch and no mistake. I didn't realise I was so invested in those characters but that really put me through the wringer. I'm genuinely surprised I didn't get any of that spoiled. I had no idea about any of the plot at all. I really like the fact it focused pretty much on the original avengers crew. I was expecting a three hour effects marathon in which nothing really happened, simply because I thought there can't have been anything to spoil, but oh my word that was good. You only just seen it?!?!?! |
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Post by Pinwig on May 18, 2019 21:37:06 GMT
Yeah. Real life has been quite full on recently but I decided just to say sod it this afternoon. It was reaching the point where the podcasts I listen to were going to blow the gaff.
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Post by Shockprowl on May 19, 2019 6:56:28 GMT
Well done for avoiding spoilers! Quite an achievement after all these weeks!
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Post by Stomski on May 25, 2019 5:48:00 GMT
{Spoiler}It also became obvious that the true hero of the Avengers was the rat. If it had not pressed the buttons in Lang's van then Ant-Man would not have been freed from the quantum realm and time travel would not have been invented!!! Finally seen it last night and this was my initial reaction. Thought first act was great. Second act tried too hard with the comedy as usual. I mean, I can see why they wanted to change the mood, but the sense of hope should be sufficient to do this rather than cheap laughs. Another MCU film not brave enough to rely on its story and characters alone to have broad appeal, and if there was one film which could do it, it was this... And Episode 7... Looking back, it's all Kurtzman and Orci's fault. But overall really enjoyed it. It was a smaller auditorium, but was mostly full. Fortunately avoided spoilers too. Thought part of it had been, but turned out they were for the Far From Home trailer. |
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Post by Jim on May 25, 2019 7:20:54 GMT
I always find comedy in the MCU to be very hit and miss and usually too obvious, even in the films which are supposed to lean more towards funny, but Endgame may have been the worst yet for me.
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Post by Shockprowl on May 25, 2019 7:36:56 GMT
Yes, gentleman, I share your opinions on the humour, particularly in Endgame. One character in particular was treated poorly IMO- Thor The more time goes by the more I'm dissatisfied by that. |
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Post by blueshift on May 25, 2019 7:51:59 GMT
In what way Shocko?
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Post by Stomski on May 25, 2019 8:40:59 GMT
Exhibit A on patronising jokes...
Tony calling out the styling of Thor at Avengers HQ.
Maybe just refer to him as Dude in understated passing or have The Man in Me playing as he enters.
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Post by Toph on May 25, 2019 9:00:20 GMT
Unless it's a flat out drama, every movie should have at least some levity.
The MCU humor is typically very safe, and very generic.
Spiderman should be funny at times. That's the character. He uses humor to deflect, and to hide the pain he feels, because it's easier than opening up.
But look at the difference in Into the Spiderverse, and Homecoming.
Spiderverse felt very unique, and authentic to the core of Spiderman. All of the spidermen had an underlying sadness and loneliness to their jokes. Homecoming, the humor felt very generic MCU style. No different than Ironman, Black Panther, or Captain America.
And some movies should be played up for the laughs, because they're just extremely absurd, like Antman and GotG.
But so far, the only MCU films that have really had a unique sense of humor have been Guardians and Ragnarok. Everything else has largely been the Tony Stark style of humor. The trademark Joss Whedon humor, which has worked better for some, but not as well for others (like Captain America, IW/Endgame).
That's not saying you can't put a few good gags in darker movies (my god, look at deadpool 2!), but they seem averse to exploring more serious themes. I get they want their movies to be approachable for kids, but not every superhero needs to be for kids. Winter Soldier was a great political thriller, and I don't even like that genre.
Marvel has some great horror properties. Another Doctor Strange could lean hard into that.
What DC/WB is starting to find their feet with, is letting their movies not be formulaic. SHAZAM was really uniquely funny with jokes that wouldn't work for any other character, and had a far deeper and emotional appeal that MCU usually lacks. Aquaman leaned hard into the high fantasy aspects, in a way we've not really seen in a modern superhero movie. Birds of Prey is really shaping up to have such a different flavor from anything we've had yet.
We've had ten years of each marvel movie being a prequel to the next one, it's about time that maybe they should start letting them stand more on their own. Let the humor find it's own voice. Let it be more emotional when it needs to.
And going back to Shazam's jokes not working for any other character... I guess that's the think with MCU humor. Most of the jokes are just funny quips, and if you take it out of context, you couldn't tell if Tony, Steve, Spiderman, Antman, Banner, or Strange said them.
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Post by Shockprowl on May 25, 2019 15:37:44 GMT
I really didn't like what they did to Thor's character. They portrayed what he was going through in too jokey a way. Made him a joke character. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 26, 2019 23:40:42 GMT
I respectfully disagree.
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Post by Bogatan on May 27, 2019 9:09:04 GMT
Saw it for a second time today. Wasnt impressed with the 3d Imax so nice to see it in 2d. Seemed even shorter than the first viewing which already didn't feel like a 3 hour film. Spoiler
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The Thor stuff really got me this time.
Maybe because Id been reading about the "fat shaming" I was paying him more attention.
For what its worth I dont see it as fat shaming. They've been playing thor as a comdedic element since Ragnorak, they didn't need to put him in a fat suit to do that. It is though a useful short hand for his complete break down given his previous pride in his appearance.
Also its really obvious once its pointed out that Bucky knew Caps plan.
I genuinly love how little effort, like absolute zero effort is put in to explaining whats happening. On second viewing the amount of references is just crazy. At the same time the lack of a Luis recap somewhere, anywhere annoys me greatly.
And those credits. Marvel just trolling hollywood right there. Look at how many people we just had in this thing. I had been reading about the directors and writers having different interpretations of the ending. And Im really pleased that they do. If it was that important it would be made clear in the film in some way. It wasnt so should be open to interpretation, at least until when/if an answer is required one way or the other in a future film. Spoiler
The fat jokes do get under my skin a lot. I don't believe the intent was to fatshame, or to make light of his depression, but they were both tonedeaf and insincere.
I mean, his mother saying "eat a salad" is one of the cringiest and out of character things ever, all for a very cheap laugh.
She sees him, and can immediately tell how much pain he's in. He's lost everything. He's seen his mother die, his father die, his hammer destroyed, asgard fall, witnessed his bother and heimdall murdered and more than half his surviving people slaughtered, and half of all life in the universe destroyed. And he carries that loss personally. And in that moment, all he wants is to be held by his mother.
And of course she does. Because she can see all that written in his face. And she's wise enough to tell him not to reveal anything to her, while she comforts him.
And then telling him to "eat a salad" is just wildly out of place, and not something someone as wise or caring as her would say in such a moment. Only just read your reply. Spoiler
Where I felt the eat a salad line worked because it was in character, particularly with how she treated Loki in Dark World. She'd done supportive, then threw in a last piece of more practical advice.
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Post by Toph on May 27, 2019 18:41:05 GMT
Not necessarily a plot hole, but a thing that woulda made everything a lit easier on everyone- They had Mjolnier this time. Thanos was knocked off his feet a few times while the hammer was around, I believe.
If Steve had just dropped the hammer on Thanny's back, chest, or head or something, it woulda removed him from the battle right there. |
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Post by Stomski on May 28, 2019 10:22:45 GMT
Everyone happy with Hulk?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 28, 2019 17:14:46 GMT
Everyone happy with Hulk? For me the best (screen) Hulk is the Edward Norton one - subsequent ones don't have the same scary quality and are just opportunities for comedy in my opinion. Which I don't mind. I laugh at the jokes. To refresh everyone's memories: Martin |
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Post by Bogatan on May 28, 2019 18:40:17 GMT
I've been meaning to ask this. Hulk, especially early on looks like Matt Damon to me, anyone else?
I feel like its another secret Damon cameo.
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Post by Pinwig on May 28, 2019 18:58:04 GMT
Ooh. I have absolutely no recollection of anything in that sequence. I need to watch these films again.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 28, 2019 19:12:14 GMT
Ooh. I have absolutely no recollection of anything in that sequence. I need to watch these films again. Just make sure you watch 'The Incredible Hulk' (2008) and not 'Hulk' (2003) by mistake. I find it refreshing, as it's the least MCU-like film in the MCU (very little in the way of quips and wisecracks and humour generally), but it's definitely part of the MCU. And not just thanks to the Stark cameo at the end, now that the same General Ross has reappeared years later in 'Civil War' and 'Infinity War'. Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on May 28, 2019 19:54:52 GMT
I think the 2008 Hulk and the first Cap film are the only ones I have on DVD now, all the other MCU films are BR. I must fix that and start a rewatch. My memory is so bad these days it'll be like I've never seen any of them before.
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Post by Toph on May 28, 2019 20:28:20 GMT
Are we still doing spoilers? I believe at this point everyone who looks at this thread has seen it, and it's been at least two months since it's opened.
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Post by Stomski on May 29, 2019 8:15:14 GMT
Two months? Have you been time travelling? I think Martin's right though. Hulk has mainly been played for laughs. The only significant Banner development through most of the films was Black Widow as a romantic interest. Ragnarok he's stuck as Hulk, Endgame he's stuck as Bruce... yada yada, seemingly one-film gimmicks because they didn't know what to do with him. And then all we get in Endgame is a bench thrown across a lake. There was a moment in Endgame at the start where I thought Black Widow asks if there was any news of him and the report was that a gang had been smashed (to death?) - was this re. Hulk? If so they just conveniently forgot about it, but for a moment it seemed like there was going to be an interesting sub-plot there. AND HERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THAT I NEED ANSWERS TO! I'm assuming Stark's Audi is electric. Why does it makes so much noise approaching Avengers HQ?
Why does Potts not age whereas everyone else seems to?
If Thanos and his army come forward from a time before GotGv1 and subsequently get erased, how does this not affect the present?
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Post by Toph on May 29, 2019 9:20:20 GMT
Two months? Have you been time travelling? You mean it hasn't???Geeze, this one's taking forever to go by. |
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Post by drmick on May 29, 2019 16:30:41 GMT
Two months? Have you been time travelling? I think Martin's right though. Hulk has mainly been played for laughs. The only significant Banner development through most of the films was Black Widow as a romantic interest. Ragnarok he's stuck as Hulk, Endgame he's stuck as Bruce... yada yada, seemingly one-film gimmicks because they didn't know what to do with him. And then all we get in Endgame is a bench thrown across a lake. There was a moment in Endgame at the start where I thought Black Widow asks if there was any news of him and the report was that a gang had been smashed (to death?) - was this re. Hulk? If so they just conveniently forgot about it, but for a moment it seemed like there was going to be an interesting sub-plot there. AND HERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THAT I NEED ANSWERS TO! I'm assuming Stark's Audi is electric. Why does it makes so much noise approaching Avengers HQ?
Why does Potts not age whereas everyone else seems to?
If Thanos and his army come forward from a time before GotGv1 and subsequently get erased, how does this not affect the present?
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