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Post by blueshift on May 12, 2019 6:30:57 GMT
Wait, what? Really?
During filming, or before they turned up to set?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 12, 2019 6:43:50 GMT
I guess they really wanted to avoid spoilers leaking out, so yeah, I can see why they might tell some of the cast who were only in that scene in the movie that it was a wedding. To keep the number of people who knew the truth to a minimum.
Going to see it for the third time today, in IMAX. I'll pay attention to that scene and see if the characters' expressions also work for 'sad they're leaving on a long honeymoon'. Martin |
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Post by blueshift on May 12, 2019 7:09:35 GMT
I guess they really wanted to avoid spoilers leaking out, so yeah, I can see why they might tell some of the cast who were only in that scene in the movie that it was a wedding. To keep the number of people who knew the truth to a minimum.
Going to see it for the third time today, in IMAX. I'll pay attention to that scene and see if the characters' expressions also work for 'sad they're leaving on a long honeymoon'. Martin Maybe they told them all "Okay, you're at Tony Stark's wedding, but you're sad because you wanted to be the one who married him" |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 12, 2019 7:10:32 GMT
Let's see what's happening in the world of gratuitous YouTube fan montages (no spoilers, just hiding to keep things tidy).
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 12, 2019 7:22:55 GMT
Maybe they told them all "Okay, you're at Tony Stark's wedding, but you're sad because you wanted to be the one who married him" Maybe they did lots of happy takes of the scene and just did a few sad ones for variety, or as a warm-up exercise, or something. Martin |
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Post by Toph on May 12, 2019 7:36:21 GMT
Wait, what? Really? During filming, or before they turned up to set? During filming. I know at least Chris Evans, Tom Holland, Sebastian Stan, And Mark Ruffalo have all said they were told they were at a wedding.
Though Marisa Tomei said she knew it was a funeral, though I don't know if she was told or figured it out.
Evans said that Anthony Mack had no clue he was becoming Captain America until the night before filming when Evans mentioned it to him, thinking he knew. So he gave Mack the real script for that scene so he could read it and prepare.
Letitia Write wasn't even told they killed her off offscreen. She learned that from the "Avenge the Fallen" posters. There were times the actors had no clue who they were fighting. It's kinda unprofessional and really ridiculous if you ask me. |
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Post by Toph on May 12, 2019 7:43:00 GMT
Wait, what? Really? During filming, or before they turned up to set? During filming. I know at least Chris Evans, Tom Holland, Sebastian Stan, And Mark Ruffalo have all said they were told they were at a wedding.
Though Marisa Tomei said she knew it was a funeral, though I don't know if she was told or figured it out.
Evans said that Anthony Mack had no clue he was becoming Captain America until the night before filming when Evans mentioned it to him, thinking he knew. So he gave Mack the real script for that scene so he could read it and prepare.
Letitia Write wasn't even told they killed her off offscreen. She learned that from the "Avenge the Fallen" posters. There were times the actors had no clue who they were fighting. It's kinda unprofessional and really ridiculous if you ask me. Note, I have no issue with Shuri being dusted, and indeed with the time jump it makes sense, even if they didn't think of it until after the fact (though with five years, that would put Shuri in the age range of her actress).
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Post by drmick on May 12, 2019 9:32:48 GMT
Wait, what? Really? During filming, or before they turned up to set? During filming. I know at least Chris Evans, Tom Holland, Sebastian Stan, And Mark Ruffalo have all said they were told they were at a wedding.
Though Marisa Tomei said she knew it was a funeral, though I don't know if she was told or figured it out.
Evans said that Anthony Mack had no clue he was becoming Captain America until the night before filming when Evans mentioned it to him, thinking he knew. So he gave Mack the real script for that scene so he could read it and prepare.
Letitia Write wasn't even told they killed her off offscreen. She learned that from the "Avenge the Fallen" posters. There were times the actors had no clue who they were fighting. It's kinda unprofessional and really ridiculous if you ask me. The secrecy wouldn't just be for the actors, it would be for the entirety of the staff working on that scene, which could be dozens, even over hundred when you add in post production. The directors would then trust that the actors could still act at a short notice change. Let's face it- most jobs on the planet will have the potential for some degree of variety or major unexpected change on the day, and they should all be trained or prepared for that. More so for professional jobs. |
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Post by Bogatan on May 12, 2019 19:59:13 GMT
Saw it for a second time today. Wasnt impressed with the 3d Imax so nice to see it in 2d. Seemed even shorter than the first viewing which already didn't feel like a 3 hour film. Spoiler
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The Thor stuff really got me this time.
Maybe because Id been reading about the "fat shaming" I was paying him more attention.
For what its worth I dont see it as fat shaming. They've been playing thor as a comdedic element since Ragnorak, they didn't need to put him in a fat suit to do that. It is though a useful short hand for his complete break down given his previous pride in his appearance.
Also its really obvious once its pointed out that Bucky knew Caps plan.
I genuinly love how little effort, like absolute zero effort is put in to explaining whats happening. On second viewing the amount of references is just crazy. At the same time the lack of a Luis recap somewhere, anywhere annoys me greatly.
And those credits. Marvel just trolling hollywood right there. Look at how many people we just had in this thing. I had been reading about the directors and writers having different interpretations of the ending. And Im really pleased that they do. If it was that important it would be made clear in the film in some way. It wasnt so should be open to interpretation, at least until when/if an answer is required one way or the other in a future film. |
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Post by Bogatan on May 12, 2019 20:04:44 GMT
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I said this first time around, but I mut repeat it. I love Nebula here, but I still dont understand how she became such a big part of this. How did she manage to go from close to a spare part in GOTG vol 1 to being more prominant than a fair few of the actual Avengers. Im glad she did, but its baffling. |
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Post by drmick on May 12, 2019 20:21:23 GMT
Nebula Spoiler
I said this first time around, but I mut repeat it. I love Nebula here, but I still dont understand how she became such a big part of this. How did she manage to go from close to a spare part in GOTG vol 1 to being more prominant than a fair few of the actual Avengers. Im glad she did, but its baffling. She was the literal plot device by which past Thanos becomes the baddie in Endgame. |
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Post by drmick on May 12, 2019 20:22:46 GMT
She's also intrinsically crucial to how Infinity War unfolded. For the same reasons.
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Post by Shockprowl on May 12, 2019 20:55:42 GMT
Hey, why didn't Vision come back when they brought everyone else back? |
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Post by Toph on May 12, 2019 21:13:02 GMT
Saw it for a second time today. Wasnt impressed with the 3d Imax so nice to see it in 2d. Seemed even shorter than the first viewing which already didn't feel like a 3 hour film. Spoiler
Spoiler
The Thor stuff really got me this time.
Maybe because Id been reading about the "fat shaming" I was paying him more attention.
For what its worth I dont see it as fat shaming. They've been playing thor as a comdedic element since Ragnorak, they didn't need to put him in a fat suit to do that. It is though a useful short hand for his complete break down given his previous pride in his appearance.
Also its really obvious once its pointed out that Bucky knew Caps plan.
I genuinly love how little effort, like absolute zero effort is put in to explaining whats happening. On second viewing the amount of references is just crazy. At the same time the lack of a Luis recap somewhere, anywhere annoys me greatly.
And those credits. Marvel just trolling hollywood right there. Look at how many people we just had in this thing. I had been reading about the directors and writers having different interpretations of the ending. And Im really pleased that they do. If it was that important it would be made clear in the film in some way. It wasnt so should be open to interpretation, at least until when/if an answer is required one way or the other in a future film. The fat jokes do get under my skin a lot. I don't believe the intent was to fatshame, or to make light of his depression, but they were both tonedeaf and insincere.
I mean, his mother saying "eat a salad" is one of the cringiest and out of character things ever, all for a very cheap laugh.
She sees him, and can immediately tell how much pain he's in. He's lost everything. He's seen his mother die, his father die, his hammer destroyed, asgard fall, witnessed his bother and heimdall murdered and more than half his surviving people slaughtered, and half of all life in the universe destroyed. And he carries that loss personally. And in that moment, all he wants is to be held by his mother.
And of course she does. Because she can see all that written in his face. And she's wise enough to tell him not to reveal anything to her, while she comforts him.
And then telling him to "eat a salad" is just wildly out of place, and not something someone as wise or caring as her would say in such a moment. |
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Post by Toph on May 12, 2019 21:14:39 GMT
Hey, why didn't Vision come back when they brought everyone else back? That's something a lot of people are asking. |
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Post by Shockprowl on May 12, 2019 21:54:01 GMT
Hey, why didn't Vision come back when they brought everyone else back? That's something a lot of people are asking. I only realised earlier today! Why did it take me so long to realise?! |
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Post by Jim on May 12, 2019 22:13:00 GMT
I assumed Vision not returning is because he wasn't finger-snapped out of existence, the stone which gave him life was ripped out and placed in the gauntlet?
One thing I wasn't comfortable with in Endgame was the seemingly arbitrary limits placed on the gauntlet's power for dramatic convenience. Like it could only be used for the death thing or reversing it, where we've seen it used more flexibly in IW already.
I'm glad they didn't take the easy way out and hit the reset button, it's more interesting and unique this way, but I never felt it was adequately explained why a user doesn't become basically omnipotent (and effectively immortal). "It doesn't work that way" is weak.
Overall though I think it's a film not to think too hard about but to feel about instead.
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Post by drmick on May 13, 2019 17:57:20 GMT
When Thanos first did the snap- how many car crashes and aircraft crashes occurred worldwide like the Fury/Hill scene at the end?
How many un-snapped died in those crashes?
Did they come back?
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Post by Toph on May 13, 2019 18:28:11 GMT
And not just on earth, all over the universe there would be similar such deaths.
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Post by Jim on May 13, 2019 18:54:49 GMT
How many people _did_ move on during the 5 year gap, get married, etc. and then got thrown into Awkward Times when their loved ones came back from the dead?
I found that one of the weird assumptions of Endgame, that nobody would be able to move on in that time frame.
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Post by Bogatan on May 13, 2019 21:19:24 GMT
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Thats what I really liked about it. The universe got screwed over and it wasn't all fixed, they just undid the one act, the consequences remained. |
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Post by Shockprowl on May 13, 2019 21:29:44 GMT
I... I did enjoy it... But the more I think about it the more I'm dissatisfied with the things beening discussed here. Especially how they treated Thor. It was a marvelous spectacle, but... I dunno. The more I think about it, the more I'm troubled. |
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Post by Bogatan on May 13, 2019 21:32:09 GMT
Nooo. Thor was amazing.
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Post by Shockprowl on May 13, 2019 21:39:12 GMT
Thor is amazing, but what did to him was guff. |
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Post by drmick on May 13, 2019 22:41:26 GMT
The show Leftovers gives us a good idea of what would happen to people if some of the population just disappeared.
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Post by Jim on May 14, 2019 19:14:08 GMT
{Spoiler}Thats what I really liked about it. The universe got screwed over and it wasn't all fixed, they just undid the one act, the consequences remained.
Oh, I agree completely, and I think I said as much up-thread. I hope subsequent movies pay some kind of attention to it, but without derailing their own stories (I haven't kept up with SHIELD, are they doing anything with this?).
I find the whole literally-nobody-was-able-to-move-on assumption strange though. There will be plenty of people around who have already lived through worse than 50% of the population around them blinking (non-violently) out of existence. Maybe it's a privilege thing, it's a film for a predominantly white, western audience who really can't imagine this; I found the Skrulls-as-refugees storyline of Captain Marvel more moving and interesting.
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Post by Bogatan on May 14, 2019 20:03:46 GMT
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Thats what I really liked about it. The universe got screwed over and it wasn't all fixed, they just undid the one act, the consequences remained. Spoiler
Oh, I agree completely, and I think I said as much up-thread. I hope subsequent movies pay some kind of attention to it, but without derailing their own stories (I haven't kept up with SHIELD, are they doing anything with this?).
I find the whole literally-nobody-was-able-to-move-on assumption strange though. There will be plenty of people around who have already lived through worse than 50% of the population around them blinking (non-violently) out of existence. Maybe it's a privilege thing, it's a film for a predominantly white, western audience who really can't imagine this; I found the Skrulls-as-refugees storyline of Captain Marvel more moving and interesting.
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I dont think Shield is going to address Endgame sadly, but could be wrong.
Also I dont think its a case of no one having moved on, the Avengers haven't because they feel its their fault. At the same time I dont think its unrealistic that people would still be coming to terms with it five years later. Its not comparable to real world events because when a disaster hits whether natural or man made or outright war its localised, theres somewhere not affected that can send aid or can accept refugees. In Endgame every government around the world at every level will have collapsed to some extent at the same time. I imagine it would be a slowly unfolding disaster that didn't peak for weeks, months or even years.
It really would be a great area to explore, which means if Shield aren't that a big disappointment. |
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Post by Toph on May 14, 2019 20:48:58 GMT
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Oh, I agree completely, and I think I said as much up-thread. I hope subsequent movies pay some kind of attention to it, but without derailing their own stories (I haven't kept up with SHIELD, are they doing anything with this?).
I find the whole literally-nobody-was-able-to-move-on assumption strange though. There will be plenty of people around who have already lived through worse than 50% of the population around them blinking (non-violently) out of existence. Maybe it's a privilege thing, it's a film for a predominantly white, western audience who really can't imagine this; I found the Skrulls-as-refugees storyline of Captain Marvel more moving and interesting.
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I dont think Shield is going to address Endgame sadly, but could be wrong.
Also I dont think its a case of no one having moved on, the Avengers haven't because they feel its their fault. At the same time I dont think its unrealistic that people would still be coming to terms with it five years later. Its not comparable to real world events because when a disaster hits whether natural or man made or outright war its localised, theres somewhere not affected that can send aid or can accept refugees. In Endgame every government around the world at every level will have collapsed to some extent at the same time. I imagine it would be a slowly unfolding disaster that didn't peak for weeks, months or even years.
It really would be a great area to explore, which means if Shield aren't that a big disappointment. Agents of Shield Season 6 episode one spoilers past here- I'm giving AoS another episode or two before, before I hit that conclusion. They may be under the spoiler embargo for a little while.
It'd be kinda sad if they didn't. As many problems as I have with the Russos, they're like... the only directors on the movie side of the MCU who consider the TV shows to be canon.
Up until he appeared, I actually kinda assumed that Coulson's return would have been because of Endgame. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 14, 2019 20:50:22 GMT
One of the fun things is that if you were a few years older than someone and you got dusted and they didn't, you'll now be a few years younger than them. So younger siblings may now be older siblings. Who would be heir to the throne if Prince William vanished and came back younger than Harry? And yeah, you'll have people now with multiple spouses, multiple people claiming rights to properties, etc. The lawyers will be in heaven! Martin |
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Post by Toph on May 14, 2019 21:09:07 GMT
I think the five year gap is done specifically so they can bring in the next generation of heroes who were inspired by Ironman and the Avengers.
Characters like Ms Marvel, Nadia Pym, and Amadeus Cho would be harder to work in without these superheroes being a big part of their childhood.
Which is why kids like Peter Parker, Ned, Mj, and Shuri were dusted and brought back five years later, while others like Cassie Lang were left to age. |
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