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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 21, 2019 18:54:00 GMT
For the duration of the war. Which ended when Prime surrended.
Unless you are accusing the Matrix bearer of a military coup??
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 21, 2019 18:55:13 GMT
Nope.
Merely reinforcing my point that SCORPONOK and THE DECEPTICON'S WON the first GREAT WAR.
Andy
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 21, 2019 19:01:24 GMT
Not talking about wins, simply typical rules of engagement. So capturing your enemy and putting his head on your desk, and hanging all his warriors upside-down doesn't count as winning the Great War, at the time? I'd have thought Shockwave would be entitled to declare total victory at that point without requiring a surrender to make it legitimate. Martin |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 21, 2019 19:05:18 GMT
Again I am talking about rules of engagement and no that wouldn't count as winning the war, and Shockwave being the logical chap wouldn't declare victory yet. He would know there was the possibility of Autobot forces still at large on Cybertron. In his eye the war would still be going on until he could prove it.
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Post by blueshift on Feb 21, 2019 19:13:44 GMT
Nope. Merely reinforcing my point that SCORPONOK and THE DECEPTICON'S WON the first GREAT WAR. Andy I agree with Turnbull |
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Post by The Huff on Feb 22, 2019 12:24:26 GMT
I always see Scorponok winning the war for the Autobots rather than the Decepticons if that brief spell counts as the war actually ending.
He helped with the team up that then led to peace (for five minutes) - not Decepticon supremacy or complete control of Earth & Cybertron.
Also, as much as we all like him, he didn't really do much actual 'leading' in the end - causing troops like Mindwipe and Triggerhappy to desert. (So I guess he is a bit like a Transformer Jeremy Corbyn).
He also didn't do anything that made Optimus surrender - it was Optimus' call and only because he wanted a favour.
I like Scorponok more than any Decepticon leader, but Ratbat is still the boss in that role.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 22, 2019 16:23:52 GMT
Hmmm, poll question's a bit vague. Are we interpreting it to mean 'competent', 'successful' or 'cool'?
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Post by The Huff on Feb 22, 2019 16:59:08 GMT
Should Straxus be included too?
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 22, 2019 17:12:25 GMT
Hmm. I'm going with Megatron in the poll. He conquered a planet, built an army and changed Cybertronian society for good.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 22, 2019 17:13:05 GMT
Should Straxus be included too? Nay. Unfit for the new Empire. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 22, 2019 18:02:14 GMT
Megatron is the founder of, and best leader of, no doubt.
However, Soundwave, Shockwave, Ratbat, Scorponok, and Bludgeon are good leaders also.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 22, 2019 19:01:48 GMT
The poll says 'best' so I voted Shockwave. Had it said 'most competant' I would have voted Ratbat.
-Ralph
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Post by The Huff on Feb 22, 2019 23:38:32 GMT
I didn't like Bludgeon as leader at all. He was much more interesting as the silent assassin type who stood out among his fellow Decepticon troops. After he became leader, he simply became a Skeletor wannabe.
But, like Ratbat, it was nice to see him rise to power from the ranks.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 22, 2019 23:42:07 GMT
The poll says 'best' so I voted Shockwave. Had it said 'most competant' I would have voted Ratbat. -Ralph Think that nails it. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 23, 2019 6:32:20 GMT
Hmm. I'm going with Megatron in the poll. He conquered a planet, built an army and changed Cybertronian society for good. He conquered most of a planet, which was unprepared for war, and then lost half of it again when the Autobots got their act together under Optimus Prime. And Shockwave helped him with military strategy. Only when Prime and Megatron disappeared did Trannis re-take all the city-states Megatron lost to Prime, and conquered Iacon. Only Trannis conquered the whole planet. (And then got assassinated by Xaaron's Wreckers.) Martin |
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 23, 2019 8:00:35 GMT
Would there have been 'The Decepticons' without Megatron?
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Post by Benn on Feb 23, 2019 9:38:45 GMT
Just because somebody creates something, does not mean they are best at it.
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 23, 2019 10:02:15 GMT
True, true, but Megatron's the Deception Leader who always seemed to have the greater vision over all the others, who are simply scientists, autocrats, or soldiers.
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Post by The Huff on Feb 23, 2019 11:09:11 GMT
Megatron was a reat leader for the Decepticons - but was always missing/dead or heading to the looney bin in most Marvel stories.
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 23, 2019 11:39:42 GMT
Yes it always seemed strange to me how he was treated in Marvel UK. Seemed he was never in charge! They played the looney card too often. There's no mention of looney toons in Megatron's Techspecs. It did allow Shockwave to shine though. Allowed us to see the real Shockwave.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 23, 2019 18:35:07 GMT
Would there have been 'The Decepticons' without Megatron? In newer versions of Transformers nope but in Marvel I think the Decepticons would still have arisen anyway. -Ralph |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 23, 2019 20:39:44 GMT
Megatron was the force of personality the Decepticons rallied round in Marvel, but wasn't capable of running the show on his own. A Shockwave led uprising would have been brutal and quick, but would have taken much longer to occur and might not have had the same people involved. You could see him eliminating several Decepticons along the way - Starscream for one.
Andy
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 24, 2019 22:04:35 GMT
If you go purely on Megatron's Techspecs, it seems pretty clear he's top dog and runs the show.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 24, 2019 22:31:36 GMT
That's his tech spec. Not his Marvel portrayal...
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 25, 2019 17:27:31 GMT
I suppose it comes down to one's own interpretation of a character. To me, Marvel isn't, necessarily, the Prime Canon.
But obviously this is a Marvel leader poll... so yeah, Megatron's portrayal on Marvel perhaps does let the character down somewhat, in some ways...
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2019 17:46:06 GMT
I think it makes him far more interesting. There's nowt to the cartoon version other than: "BWAHAHAHAHAHAH ALL THE ENERGON WILL BE MINE RETREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAT!"
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 25, 2019 19:11:03 GMT
Oh I know! And that's not 'True' Megatron either!
No....
You know, the more I think about it, I'm struggling to think where Megatron's been done proper, like. As according to my... my... My Head-Canon .
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2019 20:12:14 GMT
LADYBIRD BOOKS.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 25, 2019 21:04:37 GMT
2nd canon.
Marvel tops the rest for me.
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Post by The Huff on Feb 25, 2019 21:04:38 GMT
The Fall & Rise of The Decepticon Empire always springs to mind when I think of Megatron as he should be.
And he was portrayed as a good leader in Arrival From Cybertron or indeed the whole first season of the cartoon. It was only during season 2 he became typical viliian of the week.
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